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Soundsystem00

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Its ridiculous. Ive been researching vaping and heart health because heart problems run in my family. I work in a vape store and chain vape 6mg squonk all day. I have heart palpitations but I know they’re also due to my lifestyle and other habits.

I went to the ER one day because I was feeling faint and short of breath, and just overall worried about it. They said I was healthy and fine.

I googled it, and wow, I just saw page after page of “50% higher risk of heart problems” on other pages. But I have been off cigs for 6 years and feel SO MUCH better in my body. So how is it really 50% worse for your heart? Are the tobacco companies still paying the FDA millions to put vaping on blast, and spew this BS all over the inter webs, or is it literally THAT BAD?

My teacher always points at my vape every day saying they’re worse than cigs. But I really feel like that is BS.

Can I please have some positive affirmations or at least something REALISTIC or TRUE?
 

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re the tobacco companies still paying the FDA millions to put vaping on blast, and spew this BS all over the inter webs

Yes, fake research is still plaguing vaping and repeated by surgeon general, FDA and other "authorities" that know they are spreading hokum


My teacher always points at my vape every day saying they’re worse than cigs. But I really feel like that is BS.

It is BS - and if you look for proof it is, it doesn't actually exist

Look to Public Health England, and Dr Farsalinos in Italy - they have studied vaping extensively and work to make it part of national discussion

In England, health care is free, paid for by the government, so they have embraced the concept of harm reduction and are encouraging smokers to switch to vaping; because government has to pay when someone gets sick, the government is encouraging people to not get sick in the first place
 

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The bottom line = tobacco control lobbyists/crusaders and corrupt health and research organizations, the yellow journalism and anti-vaping politicians that thrive on them are very bad for your heart.
 

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Its ridiculous. Ive been researching vaping and heart health because heart problems run in my family. I work in a vape store and chain vape 6mg squonk all day. I have heart palpitations but I know they’re also due to my lifestyle and other habits.

I went to the ER one day because I was feeling faint and short of breath, and just overall worried about it. They said I was healthy and fine.

I googled it, and wow, I just saw page after page of “50% higher risk of heart problems” on other pages. But I have been off cigs for 6 years and feel SO MUCH better in my body. So how is it really 50% worse for your heart? Are the tobacco companies still paying the FDA millions to put vaping on blast, and spew this BS all over the inter webs, or is it literally THAT BAD?

My teacher always points at my vape every day saying they’re worse than cigs. But I really feel like that is BS.

Can I please have some positive affirmations or at least something REALISTIC or TRUE?

Nicotine can be bad for certain people with heart issues.
I would bring this up with your doctor.
If you are vaping right now because you would otherwise be smoking real cigarettes then I would keep vaping.

No matter what the circumstance vaping is much better for you than smoking.
 

Soundsystem00

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Exactly. Like I said, I figured it was BS, but I was really surprised by finding page after page of "risks".

I figured it is BS but that is quite extensive. I was hoping to get some reliable resources and I appreciate those of you who attempted to provide those.
 

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Yes, fake research is still plaguing vaping and repeated by surgeon general, FDA and other "authorities" that know they are spreading hokum




It is BS - and if you look for proof it is, it doesn't actually exist

Look to Public Health England, and Dr Farsalinos in Italy - they have studied vaping extensively and work to make it part of national discussion

In England, health care is free, paid for by the government, so they have embraced the concept of harm reduction and are encouraging smokers to switch to vaping; because government has to pay when someone gets sick, the government is encouraging people to not get sick in the first place

Sadly even here we get scare stories in UK with the target of the FDA campaign being kid epidemic...same article, same tactics ...worded to capture the audience ....they crap on about smoking then try and liken vaping under the same umbrella “safer doesn’t mean safe” ....they admit it but don’t at the same time that vaping is a practical alternative to smoking

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...aises-risks-stroke-heart-disease-attacks.html

as others pointed out Dr.Farsalinos pointed out the glaringly poor practice approach to these findings and why cross section surveys are not substantive

same thing with the formaldehyde research in 2018 ...they wouldn’t even give him access to the sample data so he could try to replicate the result...should speak volumes
 

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It is BS - and if you look for proof it is, it doesn't actually exist

Can agree with this on so much in life. If you find something which points out an obvious truth, then all the "authorities" and "news" bury it over with BS. You look for further proof but even your research gets misty and vanishes. Ack, no you better not say "someone found someway to get to it". They'll flag you as paranoid & delusional. *flips "them" the bird* Not a delusion to watch reality prove there are those who do want you gone.

One good reason I am staying clear headed off of any mental health medications. Got tired of that as a crutch and yoke.

By the by for @PoppaVic --- Schlammschlacht


Read the Germanic to English, some of it is so very near that it made me wonder and recall the German, not much but a bit that the Mennonites taught us in Summer Bible camp. Rather frightening epic and bardic poem, based on likely even more frightening of a battle for the Romans at the time.


I like to google accidental anal sex with dolphins. It's a damn hoot but I warn you, no bleach can ever wash it out. Actually belay that, I don't use (NSA) Google to search, I like DuckDuckGo, StartPage, searX.
 
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I don't use (NSA) Google to search, I like DuckDuckGo, StartPage, searX.

That brings up a good point.

When searching using DuckDuckGo you are likely to end up with more realistic and diverse search results.

Certain sites end up getting preferential treatment on a google search so you'd end up with a biased first couple pages of search results.
 

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Have you ever googled “is vaping bad for your heart” ?

Nope, why would I do that?
I have read the conclusions of the College of physicians and others reports stating that vaping is ~95% safer than smoking.
No one says that it is totally safe just a much safer alternative than smoking.
You are safest to not do either and eat healthy, exercise, etc
Hospitals are very unsafe, more people die in the USA each year from mistakes made at hospitals than from guns.
Does that mean we should not go to hospitals?
Naah hospitals save far more than they kill.


 

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No that’s the companies they sell all your data to :giggle:

Scary how quick it translates, was searching for something on google next thing I know I’m getting adds on Facebook about it
Dude you can talk about stuff around your phone and fb ads pop up. Happens to my wife all the time. Try it one day. Just talk about fishing poles or something around your phone and within a day you'll see it. Happened with the beach trip, dog treats, even a catch basin for my back yard. It's crazy
 

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Dude you can talk about stuff around your phone and fb ads pop up. Happens to my wife all the time. Try it one day. Just talk about fishing poles or something around your phone and within a day you'll see it. Happened with the beach trip, dog treats, even a catch basin for my back yard. It's crazy
Facebook doesn't listen to your voice. That's because Facebook already knows EVERYTHING about you.
 

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Dude you can talk about stuff around your phone and fb ads pop up. Happens to my wife all the time. Try it one day. Just talk about fishing poles or something around your phone and within a day you'll see it. Happened with the beach trip, dog treats, even a catch basin for my back yard. It's crazy

Yeah no shit i was just talking to my wife about pain in my heel, from old rugby injury on my Achilles‘ tendon, anyway out of nowhere I get shoe insole adds on Facebook!
 

MyMagicMist

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That brings up a good point.

When searching using DuckDuckGo you are likely to end up with more realistic and diverse search results.

Certain sites end up getting preferential treatment on a google search so you'd end up with a biased first couple pages of search results.

Aye and DuckDuckGo does not "bubble" users, which is something akin to "kettling" that police forces do with crowds assembling peacefully. You get stuffed into a smaller and smaller still place where you either take what your given or well you lose sight of remaining peaceful. Gives an excuse for the "authority" to act "rashly" to "save all". Censorship like that on the Internet & Web I cannot abide. If I want to look for "toaster banging hassock" or "steamy recliner seduces lawn chair" then I ought to be allowed.

It's no one's business unless I'm harming myself or anyone else. Ideas, thoughts are meant as being free. It is without that freedom dreamers can not bring you things like first step of mankind on the moon, rover explores Mars, scores of lives saved from amazing new surgery procedure to clear blocked hearts. This is why I still firmly identify myself as a hacker, ethical and moral sure but no less a hacker. Hackers agree, information which is a narrative formed by data, rightly ought to be free. Data itself also by extension needs to be free.

That is not saying I want to come sneak into your personal home computer and steal all your financial data, use all your funds to live a partying life. Sorry, no ... that's too easily done. It has no challenge as well it's simply immature and not ethical or moral. Noting that, give us good reason and I'm sure a few see no problem doing just that. By and large though hacking is a process of using data to solve problems. I might put the data into a microwave to heat it up, or drop it from a tall building to test gravity on it. I possibly could use a spanner as a banger and whack the data into a tool for using photo shots from satellites to locate mineral deposits. You never can tell what a mind unbound can do.

What is needed more is a faith or trust that there are some of us who wear black hats but do white hat work. Folks rather fall prey to fear though. "Oh my Gawd, dreaded hackers, cyber-terrorists .. whatever will we do? Save the children!" Why does that seem always the case? Well, truth is simple enough, negativity sells. Do good in the world, move on to the next thing and keep on, ... see all the non-existing news? And if all you're doing is in the Light, well then they'll make shit up to smear on you, so they can earn a buck. Sad? Maybe. True? Sure is. Seen it, been on ends of it enough to know.

Some days I get upset being an every man. Other days I just keep rolling on.
 

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Yeah no shit i was just talking to my wife about pain in my heel, from old rugby injury on my Achilles‘ tendon, anyway out of nowhere I get shoe insole adds on Facebook!

"Shh, Google listens," has become a catch phrase of my wife. I respond. "Oh hello you lovely NSA folks, today's crossword puzzle word is rapture, now go rupture yourselves figuring out what it means," or some other nonsensical trollop. One day I was convinced that no matter the question, "cod liver is the answer."

Ought to have seen all the anchovy adverts my wife got on her phone. "Damn you, quit taking piss at my phone," she hollered. Pretty rough like that on my phone too, although I usually remain as quiet as can, cover the cameras. I would take the battery out but fear the minute I do, a SWAT team will raid. "He's gone dark, we better hit 'im!"
 

MyMagicMist

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If I've learned anything from the internet, it's that if you Google anything, it will tell you that you have cancer lol.


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Or what you're about to do may cause cancer for someone in the world. "Don't hit that button *click* someone dies if you do now don't *click* stop it, stop it right now!"
 

MyMagicMist

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Hospitals are very unsafe, more people die in the USA each year from mistakes made at hospitals than from guns.
Does that mean we should not go to hospitals?
Naah hospitals save far more than they kill.

I'll keep listening to my Pap's words. "Hospitals: Where you go to die." Been in them too much for my liking, and yes did die once in one, came back but gee died in one. Of course the other side of that lies in "gee, you were born in one too." I'm not sure about that, there's rumor and myth about a baby rolling off an orange tree, dropping into the Atlantic and being rescued by SEAL. Baby came awake singing "easy day". Still not sure if that was me or my brother. Two of us takes turns pulling weird stuff.
 

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I'll keep listening to my Pap's words. "Hospitals: Where you go to die." Been in them too much for my liking, and yes did die once in one, came back but gee died in one. Of course the other side of that lies in "gee, you were born in one too." I'm not sure about that, there's rumor and myth about a baby rolling off an orange tree, dropping into the Atlantic and being rescued by SEAL. Baby came awake singing "easy day". Still not sure if that was me or my brother. Two of us takes turns pulling weird stuff.
I don't believe you. You're not taking turns.
 

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