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[AmandaD]

He's gonna add 90 ml vg to make 100 mls of 100 mg. We were just using it as an example of diluting.

Absolutely! I just wanted to be sure he understood that diluting it way down would also dilute his premade juice

 

[Bucky205]

Absolutely! I just wanted to be sure he understood that diluting it way down would also dilute his premade juice

It's a little scary that they ship 999 NIC. That stuff is dangerous. I can see someone new to DIY getting dead.

 

[AmandaD]

It's a little scary that they ship 999 NIC. That stuff is dangerous. I can see someone new to DIY getting dead.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

Actually when I first started DIY I went through the exact same experience. Luckily I thought of double checking my calculations and I posted the recipe on ECF and several members jumped to the rescue exactly as you guys did in here. I have serious issues with my coronary arteries and I would have easily ended up in the hospital or worse, god forbid. This and similar examples show the value the vaping community and its platforms bring. So kudos to yoy guys for averting this situation.

On the other hand these situations are really dangerous and I have no clue how on earth a vendor can offer people highly toxic substances that freely. If vapers don't do something about this they will be giving ammunition to the government to use against vaping. I would recommend a campaign against companies that sell nicotine in high concentrations (above 100 mg) to individuals, or without verifying that the buyer is qualified to deal with these high concentrations.

 

[Time]

On the other hand these situations are really dangerous and I have no clue how on earth a vendor can offer people highly toxic substances that freely. If vapers don't do something about this they will be giving ammunition to the government to use against vaping. I would recommend a campaign against companies that sell nicotine in high concentrations (above 100 mg) to individuals, or without verifying that the buyer is qualified to deal with these high concentrations.

Vapers can't do anything about it. It's legal. Any attempt to do as you say will only bring it to media attention, as whining about diketones and exploding batteries has. The media will write antivaping stories, as they have done with diketones and exploding batteries. Vapers have proven themselves really dumb in this regard.

Besides that, I fully intend on buying some. I'd appreciate it if you didn't force your views on the rest of the vapers.

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

Vapers can't do anything about it. It's legal. Any attempt to do as you say will only bring it to media attention, as whining about diketones and exploding batteries has. The media will write antivaping stories, as they have done with diketones and exploding batteries. Vapers have proven themselves really dumb in this regard.

Besides that, I fully intend on buying some. I'd appreciate it if you didn't force your views on the rest of the vapers.

There is a huge difference between expressing a view and forcing it on others. Unless of course one considers the expression of opinions an act of aggression. In addition, this is not just whining as was/is the case with diketones. Experienced vapers (even reviewers like the OP) can easily cause significant harm to themselves and others simply because the vendors fail to take an extra step to provide sufficient warning on handling this substance. All it will take is a single case that catches media attention and then we will all be witnessing the antivaping propaganda because vapers proved to be both stupid and negligent.

 

[Time]

There is a huge difference between expressing a view and forcing it on others. Unless of course one considers the expression of opinions an act of aggression. In addition, this is not just whining as was/is the case with diketones. Experienced vapers (even reviewers like the OP) can easily cause significant harm to themselves and others simply because the vendors fail to take an extra step to provide sufficient warning on handling this substance. All it will take is a single case that catches media attention and then we will all be witnessing the antivaping propaganda because vapers proved to be both stupid and negligent.

A campaign against companies that sell nicotine in high concentrations (above 100 mg) to individuals, is forcing your opinion on others. It's not simply "expressing a view".

You can express your view all you like. Trying to force vendors to accept your view is quite another thing altogether. It forces your view on others that prefer pure nic by attempting to make it unavailable. That's quite different than telling me that you don't think I should buy it.

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

A campaign against companies that sell nicotine in high concentrations (above 100 mg) to individuals, is forcing your opinion on others. It's not simply "expressing a view".

You can express your view all you like. Trying to force vendors to accept your view is quite another thing altogether. It forces your view on others that prefer pure nic by attempting to make it unavailable. That's quite different than telling me that you don't think I should buy it.

Easy man..it was just a suggestion to come up with means to rationalize the sale of hazardous substances. And I did not attempt to "force" any vendor to accept this particular suggestion. I am sure there are other suggestions people can come up with to the same effect. If people buy into any recommendation this does not mean they have been "forced" to adopt it.

 

[Time]

Easy man..it was just a suggestion to come up with means to rationalize the sale of hazardous substances. And I did not attempt to "force" any vendor to accept this particular suggestion. I am sure there are other suggestions people can come up with to the same effect. If people buy into any recommendation this does not mean they have been "forced" to adopt it.

Every stinky antivaping subject that has been in media stories, I read about here at VU months before the media and antivaping groups were aware of them. The vaping 'community' brings it to their attention by so called "self regulating", or in more forward terms, whining. So, while you go about your good deed to take steps now in order to prevent it from attracting media attention, you should understand that making a stink about it will bring about the media attention you wish to avoid. Because of the stink over diketones and exploding batteries, that started in the vaping community with calls to "self regulate" and the media has since taken over, I have people tell me my vape is going to explode in my face and that I'm going to get popcorn lung. None of that has been beneficial to my vaping experience.

If you want to do something about pure nic, the best thing is to do nothing. Don't talk about it except on the occasions like this thread. Most members here are aware of pure nic and where to get it. It just isn't talked about unless it needs to be talked about.

 

[STAINLESS1]

I would dilute it too 100mg/ml as soon as possible. That stuff is way too hot to handle otherwise.

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[OBDave]

I understand that it's this vendor's right to sell whatever concentration of nic they want, but to do so without even attempting to educate the consumer about what they're getting is bound to end badly for someone sooner than later...

 

[Time]

I understand that it's this vendor's right to sell whatever concentration of nic they want, but to do so without even attempting to educate the consumer about what they're getting is bound to end badly for someone sooner than later...

Check the website. It would be hard to not know what you're getting, IMO.

http://www.hiliq.com/diy-e-liquids/diy-e-liquid-nicotine

 

[OBDave]

Check the website. It would be hard to not know what you're getting, IMO.

http://www.hiliq.com/diy-e-liquids/diy-e-liquid-nicotine

Noted. Wonder how the OP got his hands on what he did and seems to have no idea how toxic the stuff is.

 

[Time]

Noted. Wonder how the OP got his hands on what he did and seems to have no idea how toxic the stuff is.

Not sure. I've drawn conclusions but I'll hold my tongue. In short, I think he should have known.

 

[SailCat]

Not sure. I've drawn conclusions but I'll hold my tongue. In short, I think he should have known.

Hey, Time - It appears from his earlier posts that the OP is not nor has ever been into DIY.

 

[wally]

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This company ought to be shut down.

 

[Time]

Hey, Time - It appears from his earlier posts that the OP is not nor has ever been into DIY.

Yep. So why accept it? The vendor didn't pull his address out of a hat.

 

[SailCat]

Yep. So why accept it? The vendor didn't pull his address out of a hat.

OK, that did sound as if I was defending him. Reading back over this thread, OP could and should have done the slightest research in advance of buying this high--test nic. By the same token, the vendor offers the only minimum precautionary warnings and next to nothing to qualify buyers of this potentially lethal liquid. Put the two of 'em together, it's a perfect storm,

 

[Time]

OK, that did sound as if I was defending him. Reading back over this thread, OP could and should have done the slightest research in advance of buying this high--test nic. By the same token, the vendor offers the only minimum precautionary warnings and next to nothing to qualify buyers of this potentially lethal liquid. Put the two of 'em together, it's a perfect storm,

Yeah, but it's not possible to hold everyone's hand. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but we could have the same discussion about cars.


In short form, I'm not concerned as others seem to be. Of all the dangers in the world, pure nic isn't the one for me to be ruffled over, lol. Of the two members that I know of that misused pure nic, one got it on him(OP) and the other mixed it in his juice and vaped it. Both got a bit ill but didn't even have to go to the hospital.

 

[SailCat]

OK, we're far enough off topic we could talk about cars I guess.

On the other hand, we haven't heard from the OP for a while.

Hey, @DuckysVapeReviews - You still breathin', buddy? Have you finished that review of Hi LIQ yet? Be sure to point us to that when it's done as I'm certain more than a few of us would like to see it. Did you ever get your problem solved without injury? Did you get your juice nicked so you have something to vape?

 

[Huckleberried]

See this, and more, on the next episode of As the O's Blow.

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

Noted. Wonder how the OP got his hands on what he did and seems to have no idea how toxic the stuff is.

I know the toxicity of it. Also have a lil bit of chemistry under my belt. Just wondered if there was a magic way to mix the nic in. Honestly, I perfer not to mess with the nic I got but if I do I will get a good bit of vg and mix it down to 100mg/ml

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

OK, that did sound as if I was defending him. Reading back over this thread, OP could and should have done the slightest research in advance of buying this high--test nic. By the same token, the vendor offers the only minimum precautionary warnings and next to nothing to qualify buyers of this potentially lethal liquid. Put the two of 'em together, it's a perfect storm,

I didnt buy the nicotine, it was given to me by Hi LIQ to add nic to any liquids I run across without.

OK, we're far enough off topic we could talk about cars I guess.

On the other hand, we haven't heard from the OP for a while.

Hey, @DuckysVapeReviews - You still breathin', buddy? Have you finished that review of Hi LIQ yet? Be sure to point us to that when it's done as I'm certain more than a few of us would like to see it. Did you ever get your problem solved without injury? Did you get your juice nicked so you have something to vape?

I actually did a full line up review of Hi LIQ

 

[OBDave]

I know the toxicity of it. Also have a lil bit of chemistry under my belt. Just wondered if there was a magic way to mix the nic in. Honestly, I perfer not to mess with the nic I got but if I do I will get a good bit of vg and mix it down to 100mg/ml

That's easy, it's simple math - for a 10% solution, cutting your 1000 mg down to 100 mg, use 10 ml nic with 90 ml base. But that's been covered here. Just a little worrisome, since you said you handled it without gloves, accidentally touched it, and got sick - this tells us something went wrong, and the first instinct of some (like me) was to blame the manufacturer for not warning you not to do that. It appears to me now, however, that they did their job.

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

That's easy, it's simple math - for a 10% solution, cutting your 1000 mg down to 100 mg, use 10 ml nic with 90 ml base. But that's been covered here. Just a little worrisome, since you said you handled it without gloves, accidentally touched it, and got sick - this tells us something went wrong, and the first instinct of some (like me) was to blame the manufacturer for not warning you not to do that. It appears to me now, however, that they did their job.

Not quite what I meant. I know how to use the e liquid calcs. I was basically wanting to know if there was a special process, for example, one shop told me I needed to put half the juice in another container, add nic in it, pour it back in shake it then heat it for a hr at 200 & then fridge it for a week to get the nic to bond in the liquid.

 

[AmandaD]

Not quite what I meant. I know how to use the e liquid calcs. I was basically wanting to know if there was a special process, for example, one shop told me I needed to put half the juice in another container, add nic in it, pour it back in shake it then heat it for a hr at 200 & then fridge it for a week to get the nic to bond in the liquid.

God, don't heat it (unless you're trying to oxidize it - which I doubt).

Just mix it up, shake, and put it in the fridge. And shake when you use it again - it's easier to get hot spots with VG than with PG.

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

God, don't heat it (unless you're trying to oxidize it - which I doubt).

Just mix it up, shake, and put it in the fridge. And shake when you use it again - it's easier to get hot spots with VG than with PG.

Exactly what I wanted to know. Imma order 1000ml of pure vg. By my calculations, my nic added to it would make 100ml/mg correct?

 

[Bucky205]

Exactly what I wanted to know. Imma order 1000ml of pure vg. By my calculations, my nic added to it would make 100ml/mg correct?

Tony 90 ML of VG added to your 10 ml of 999 Nic will produce 100ml of 100 mg Nic. I thought we had done this. Shake the hell out of it and you will be fine.

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

Tony 90 ML of VG added to your 10 ml of 999 Nic will produce 100ml of 100 mg Nic. I thought we had done this. Shake the hell out of it and you will be fine.

Not named Tony, and thats what I thought but somebody PMed me different

 

[Bucky205]

Not named Tony, and thats what I thought but somebody PMed me different

Sorry about the name. You can check it on steam engines juice calculator. Tell it you want to make a 100 ml of 100 mg using 999. It will tell you how much it is going to take. If you have 10 ml of a solution that is 999 mg / ml. And you dilute it by a factor or 10, because your increasing the VG ten fold. 999/10 = 99.9

 

[Bucky205]

 

[OBDave]

Exactly what I wanted to know. Imma order 1000ml of pure vg. By my calculations, my nic added to it would make 100ml/mg correct?

10 ml is 1% of 1000 ml, so your nic would retain 1% of its strength, meaning you'd make 10 mg liquid. What calculation are you using to up with 100 mg?

And yes, just add and shake well - heat and light are nicotine's enemies.

 

[Bucky205]

10 ml is 1% of 1000 ml, so your nic would retain 1% of its strength, meaning you'd make 10 mg liquid. What calculation are you using to up with 100 mg?

And yes, just add and shake well - heat and light are nicotine's enemies.

OB he has 10 ml of 999 mg/ml, and is trying to turn it into 100 mg/ml.

 

[OBDave]

OB he has 10 ml of 999 mg/ml, and is trying to turn it into 100 mg/ml.

I'm assuming 1000 mg for rounding's sake - but if he dilutes 999 mg by 99%, he'll end up with 9.99 mg - to get to 100 mg (or 99.9 mg, if we're splitting hairs), he needs a 10% solution, not a 1% solution - that's adding 10 ml to 90 ml, not adding 10 ml to 1000 ml, as OP's calculations conclude he should do.

 

[Bucky205]

I'm assuming 1000 mg for rounding's sake - but if he dilutes 999 mg by 99%, he'll end up with 9.99 mg - to get to 100 mg (or 99.9 mg, if we're splitting hairs), he needs a 10% solution, not a 1% solution - that's adding 10 ml to 90 ml, not adding 10 ml to 1000 ml, as OP's calculations conclude he should do.

Adding 90 ml of VG to 10 ml 999 mg/ml makes 100 ml of 99.9 mg / ml VG base. I do it a lot, it is the right answer. I even posted the result from a juice calculator. I don't understand why it is confusing people.

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

It's all confused me for about About 30 seconds and then I remembered steam engine. I wish they made a standalone app for the Kindle fire HDX I'll definitely pay money for that. I asked for for Christmas was either a netbook or nice tablet with built in cam. Dang family went all hi roller on me and bought me most expensive Kindle they had. Haven't done any videos with it yet but as I'm slowly transitioning into video reviews I really hope cam on it rocks. Anything is better than my old LG camera phone.

 

[Bucky205]

I'm assuming 1000 mg for rounding's sake - but if he dilutes 999 mg by 99%, he'll end up with 9.99 mg - to get to 100 mg (or 99.9 mg, if we're splitting hairs), he needs a 10% solution, not a 1% solution - that's adding 10 ml to 90 ml, not adding 10 ml to 1000 ml, as OP's calculations conclude he should do.

Somebody incorrectly told him he needed 1000 ml of VG.

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

Sorry about the name. You can check it on steam engines juice calculator. Tell it you want to make a 100 ml of 100 mg using 999. It will tell you how much it is going to take. If you have 10 ml of a solution that is 999 mg / ml. And you dilute it by a factor or 10, because your increasing the VG ten fold. 999/10 = 99.9

That's quite alright I've been called a whole lot worse than that for my life I also appreciate your help man there's not a lot of people on these forums who will break it down for people who have ADHD. My problem is I can't concentrate on something long enough to learn about it really without medication and my New Year's resolution is to learn how to do with it without the meds.

 

[AmandaD]

The reason we suggested making it 100mg/ml rather than 10mg/ml is so you don't dilute your existing zero nic juice so much when you add nic!

 

[Bucky205]

That's quite alright I've been called a whole lot worse than that for my life I also appreciate your help man there's not a lot of people on these forums who will break it down for people who have ADHD. My problem is I can't concentrate on something long enough to learn about it really without medication and my New Year's resolution is to learn how to do with it without the meds.

LOL, It;s all good. I enjoy the discussions. I think early in the thread when we were discussing diluting 999 mg/ml into 10 mg/ml it confused the thread

 

[Bucky205]

It's all confused me for about About 30 seconds and then I remembered steam engine. I wish they made a standalone app for the Kindle fire HDX I'll definitely pay money for that. I asked for for Christmas was either a netbook or nice tablet with built in cam. Dang family went all hi roller on me and bought me most expensive Kindle they had. Haven't done any videos with it yet but as I'm slowly transitioning into video reviews I really hope cam on it rocks. Anything is better than my old LG camera phone.

Ducky, what are you going to review with the new cam? Daughter bought me an inexpensive drone for Xmas. Thinking I might do a cloud comp video from the drone.