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EarnestAccord

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I've been mixing for a little over two years now and just last month bought my first "tobacco" flavor concentrate, TFA's RY4 Double. Pretty good stuff. My only other reference to tobacco flavors is from my local B&M's and whike they have a full array I really like the juices that taste mostly like a freshly opened pack of cigerettes. What I'm struggling to understand mostly is the language used for tobacos. What is that fresh tobacco flavor called in descriptions? I'm also noticing a trend in different manufacturers in using similar names for what I'm assuming is a simmilar flavor profiles..? For example;
Virginia
Kentucky
Flue Cured
555
Arabic
Turkish
Burley
Cavendish
Cigar
Desert Ship
Pipe
Which of these are the fresh Tobacco leaf type?
Thanks for the support
 

SteveS45

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I recently received a Bottle of Prime 15 from @HealthCabin which is Flue Cured Tobacco and it tastes the closest to smoking that I have ever had. A bit too strong for me but my plan is to use it in a DIY blend soon.
 

EarnestAccord

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I recently received a Bottle of Prime 15 from @HealthCabin which is Flue Cured Tobacco and it tastes the closest to smoking that I have ever had. A bit too strong for me but my plan is to use it in a DIY blend soon.
This is where I'm getting tripped up. When you say "smoking" you mean it has the ash and burning flavors? That's exactly what I don't want.
 

SteveS45

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No it reminded me of that fresh opened pack smell and that first drag off a cigarette. Google Flue Cured Tobacco it might help.
 

SteveS45

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Remember taste is subjective so you really need to experiment and try them out. When I started DIY all the so called Gurus on another site kept talking about the RY4 and that in my opinion is just Tobacco with some Caramel or Vanilla.
 

HeadInClouds

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I've been mixing for a little over two years now and just last month bought my first "tobacco" flavor concentrate, TFA's RY4 Double. Pretty good stuff. My only other reference to tobacco flavors is from my local B&M's and whike they have a full array I really like the juices that taste mostly like a freshly opened pack of cigerettes. What I'm struggling to understand mostly is the language used for tobacos. What is that fresh tobacco flavor called in descriptions? I'm also noticing a trend in different manufacturers in using similar names for what I'm assuming is a simmilar flavor profiles..? For example;
Virginia
Kentucky
Flue Cured
555
Arabic
Turkish
Burley
Cavendish
Cigar
Desert Ship
Pipe
Which of these are the fresh Tobacco leaf type?
Thanks for the support

As a cigarette smoker I never thought twice about types of tobacco. As a vaper, I had the same question you have. It led me to learn pipe tobacco and cigars, which were never my choice for actual smoking. I'll tell you the parts that stuck with me.

As for cigs... Most American cigs are some combination of Virginia, Burley, (and maybe little bits of Turkish.) Canadian cigs tend to go heaviest on the Virginia; American cigs on the Burley. Those are specific strains of tobacco leaves left to dry on their own. Turkish (think Desert Ship = Camel) is "spiciest" of the three, usually used in small amounts if at all. Turkish, Arabic, and Oriental tobaccos are sun-dried - if you've ever had Turkish cigs, you probably found them more potent than American cigs (I tried a real one once; the nic knocked me for a loop). Kentucky is fire-cured Burley leaves, a potent, darker (literally) tobacco flavor. Cavendish is a specially-processed Virginia and/or Burley tobacco where the leaves are soaked in added flavorings & sweeteners. Flue curing is a processing method, not a separate type of tobacco leaf. It uses the smoke of burning wood, often oak, so I expect smoke and/or wood type flavors in any "flue cured" tobacco flavoring. Latakia is another dark, smoked type of leaf, and tastes like strong, black tobacco to me - with sour notes. Cigars often use older tobacco leaves that are allowed to ferment during the curing. I get the impression that different "cuts" of leaves work better in cigars than pipes, but you can shove any tobacco into a leaf/pipe, so "Pipe" and "Cigar" are not very descriptive names for flavorings. If you want to vape the flavor of that whiffff of a freshly-opened pack of American cigs, try a Burley flavor. FlavourArt makes a good Burley flavor, very much like that "brown" tobacco flavor (scent, really) so familiar to smokers. Oh! 555 is a nutty tobacco flavor that I didn't run into in the real tobacco world - but it's a popular range of nutty tobacco flavors in the vape world. Ditto for RY4, which is a caramel-vanilla (usually sweet) flavor that in MY opinion isn't much like tobacco at all.

I'm no expert on real tobaccos, so if any pipe/cigar tobacco experts care to pipe up (ahem), take their descriptions & advice over mine.
 

RonJS

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Member For 5 Years
If you like a good cigar flavor give Bull City Flavor's Cohiba Cigar Super Concentrate a try.

http://www.bullcityflavors.com/cohiba-sc/

Use it alone at 3%, give it a shake and you are ready to vape.

I was simply blown away with this flavor!

For me, substituting some INW Tobacco Absolute for the SC...

http://www.bullcityflavors.com/tobacco-absolute-cuban-cigar-wg-inw/

...makes it even better. More real cigar like without removing the nice attributes of the Cohiba.

Ron
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“No one can have everything, so you have to try for what you want most.” ― Mae West
 

pulsevape

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Member For 4 Years
I've been mixing for a little over two years now and just last month bought my first "tobacco" flavor concentrate, TFA's RY4 Double. Pretty good stuff. My only other reference to tobacco flavors is from my local B&M's and whike they have a full array I really like the juices that taste mostly like a freshly opened pack of cigerettes. What I'm struggling to understand mostly is the language used for tobacos. What is that fresh tobacco flavor called in descriptions? I'm also noticing a trend in different manufacturers in using similar names for what I'm assuming is a simmilar flavor profiles..? For example;
Virginia
Kentucky
Flue Cured
555
Arabic
Turkish
Burley
Cavendish
Cigar
Desert Ship
Pipe
Which of these are the fresh Tobacco leaf type?
Thanks for the support
there is a huge differnce between the tobaccos in that list ..you have cigarette tobaccos, cigar tobaccos and pipe tobbaccos American tobaccos and oriental tobaccos,,I was wondering where the Perique and Latakia were....for instance the differnce between Cavendish and Virginia are night and day....I'm assuming from what you wrote you were a cigaette smoker so for you that fresh tobacco leaf would probablly be a Virgina or Kentucky flavor...

Personally I loved smoking..cigarettes,cigars,pipe I liked them all and so I don't have one tobacco I'd say is a real tobacco flavoring.I like Cohiba alot which is a cigar tobacco,and I hate RY4
 
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EarnestAccord

Bronze Contributor
Member For 4 Years
there is a huge differnce between the tobaccos in that list ..you have cigarette tobaccos, cigar tobaccos and pipe tobbaccos American tobaccos and oriental tobaccos,,I was wondering where the Perique and Latakia were....for instance the differnce between Cavendish and Virginia are night and day....I'm assuming from what you wrote you were a cigaette smoker so for you that fresh tobacco leaf would probablly be a Virgina or Kentucky flavor...

Personally I loved smoking..cigarettes,cigars,pipe I liked them all and so I don't have one tobacco I'd say is a real tobacco flavoring.I like Cohiba alot which is a cigar tobacco,and I hate RY4
I'm actually an ex-Dipper. What I've gathered so far is the fresh leaf flavor I'm after is mostly found in concentrates with titles like:
Burley
Kentucky
Virgina

Thanks all!
 

RonJS

Gold Contributor
Member For 5 Years
Ooooo... hope it tastes like Cope Straight!

I may be mistaken, but I think in an old thread, Daintanee had stepped forward and offered to review this flavor when it became available.

I myself will be waiting patiently for that time.:popcorn:

Ron
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"Anticipate the difficult by managing the easy."- Lao Tzu
 

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