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Dear all i need urgent help , i have Smok al 85 and it works perfect with me however as i go into details about everything written on the display i find the voltage reading is higher than usual , i have AWT red battery ( 3000 AM) and average volt should be 3.7 as i use SMOK Q2 coils best wattage displayed 55 to 65 so my sweet spot is 61 or 62 but when i use it that way the voltage readings is 5.3 and up to 5.5 my question is
is that dangerous or am i doing something wrong ? bear in mind that it's a single battery device
the screen readings is below my vape.jpg

thanks in advance
 

Mattp169

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your fine
the display is showing you what the outcome is. The board is doing electrical magic to boost the voltage up to that reading. The basic thing is this
watts/low voltage cutoff of mod/efficiency of mod
so in your pic 61watts/3.0 v (it maybe higher but this is usually the lowest)/90%(could be higher but this is usually the worst it could be)
== 22ish amps
make sure you are using a true 20 amp battery or better and you are fine at 61 watts
 

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While I agree with Matt, it is not good for your battery to run down so low before recharging...
 

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just checked your battery for you too here
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/attachments/img_0067-jpg.674181/
its a 20amp battery so you are good
but if you are pushing 60+ watts alot Try to recharge your battery a hair sooner so you dont push the amps too much. The lower teh battery charge teh more amps drawn
the more amps drawn the hotter the battery gets
the hotter the battery gets = BOOM

I would try to recharge around 3.3 volts if you are always above 60 watts to be safe\
but if you go below that sometimes your not going to blow up
 
your fine
the display is showing you what the outcome is. The board is doing electrical magic to boost the voltage up to that reading. The basic thing is this
watts/low voltage cutoff of mod/efficiency of mod
so in your pic 61watts/3.0 v (it maybe higher but this is usually the lowest)/90%(could be higher but this is usually the worst it could be)
== 22ish amps
make sure you are using a true 20 amp battery or better and you are fine at 61 watts
Thank you so much matt you saved my day i asked alot of friend they all told me to throw my coils or change the tank as this is a seriius issue and the battery is loaded with high voltage and can explode although i didnt see any indicator thanks alot dear for your response
 

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Thank you so much matt you saved my day i asked alot of friend they all told me to throw my coils or change the tank as this is a seriius issue and the battery is loaded with high voltage and can explode although i didnt see any indicator thanks alot dear for your response
The odds of a regulated device going "boom" unless damaged, is about 10 million to one. The mod controller chip uses a 2 stage calculation to determine watts (power) so you don't need to worry. It will never go boom unless the mod is damaged. (ie.. you screw the atomizer in to hard and the wire inside comes off and shorts against the other wire. One is positive, one negative. So having these touch is bad juju.)

Loose change and keys in pockets is also bad juju.

I have run 100w builds on a single battery, and 200w builds on dual batterys.. No problems at all.
 

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The odds of a regulated device going "boom" unless damaged, is about 10 million to one. The mod controller chip uses a 2 stage calculation to determine watts (power) so you don't need to worry. It will never go boom unless the mod is damaged. (ie.. you screw the atomizer in to hard and the wire inside comes off and shorts against the other wire. One is positive, one negative. So having these touch is bad juju.)

Loose change and keys in pockets is also bad juju.

I have run 100w builds on a single battery, and 200w builds on dual batterys.. No problems at all.
i can not say if your odds are correct.
and since we are constantly pulsing the batteries
you can have a mod safely do 200W on dual batteries as you say
IF YOU ARE USING GOOD BATTERIES

but the problem usually come from one of 2 things
1. there is something wrong with the mod, damage, chip goes wonky, autofiring etc
in these cases you can get a short and boom or over heat the batteries and merely vent
2. bad batteries battery wrap says 20amp or even 30 amp and its really a 10a CDR battery .
Here you can having venting (not a boom)happen even when nothing is wrong with the mod if you are chain vaping at high watts like 200 on a dual battery config. which can pull over 30 amps per battery which would be very bad on 10a batteries

SO i agree with your statement when proper batteries are being used
 
The odds of a regulated device going "boom" unless damaged, is about 10 million to one. The mod controller chip uses a 2 stage calculation to determine watts (power) so you don't need to worry. It will never go boom unless the mod is damaged. (ie.. you screw the atomizer in to hard and the wire inside comes off and shorts against the other wire. One is positive, one negative. So having these touch is bad juju.)

Loose change and keys in pockets is also bad juju.

I have run 100w builds on a single battery, and 200w builds on dual batterys.. No problems at all.
thank you dear for the detailed reply i've checked the batteries ( the main and the backup ) and they are authentic 20A max for each and according to the coils I'm using they reach 13 max my problem was with the voltage reading and you made it clear , thanks again
 

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IF YOU ARE USING GOOD BATTERIES
but the problem usually come from one of 2 things
1. there is something wrong with the mod, damage, chip goes wonky, autofiring etc
in these cases you can get a short and boom or over heat the batteries and merely vent
2. bad batteries battery wrap says 20amp or even 30 amp and its really a 10a CDR battery .
Here you can having venting (not a boom)happen even when nothing is wrong with the mod if you are chain vaping at high watts like 200 on a dual battery config. which can pull over 30 amps per battery which would be very bad on 10a batteries

This is why we always recommend the correct, proper amp and MaH brand name batteries and follow Moochs recommendations. Never by rewrapped batteries. You can put a Cadillac logo on a Hugo, but that doesn't make it a Cadillac. Just on over priced Hugo.

I got the 1 in 10mil from another battery safety broadcast. Pretty sure it is correct. I have only ever heard of one regulated mod venting, and the guy had it in his pocket, so lord knows what happened.

If there is something wrong with the mod, excluding a physical hard short internally that bypasses the IC protection (ultra rare issue) the mod handles it. Autofiring shuts the mod off, chip goes wonky shuts mod off, overheating shuts mod off.

Bad battery wrap.. welll we dont ever recommend anything other than Samsung, Sony, LG since they are proven to be precise in their labeling and spec sheets. So with branded batteries 20 amp IS 20 amp.
Now when you say "pull 30 amp on a 20 amp battery" you need to understand how the IC is working. It is not a steady 30amp fire.. but rather a series of pulses done automatically by the mods IC controller. What is happening is the first stage controller is sending 30 amps current to the 2nd controller, but doing it in very short bursts. Think of it like a movie.. a series of photographs viewed quickly so they seem to be one moving image. Best way I can describe it. Remember, this current is not going to your atomizer. Only to the 2nd control chip to be converted into watts and then to the atomizer.

Now one problem you might find, is a damaged battery wrap. Fix or replace these right away. You can toss them and buy new batteries, you can use heat shrink battery sleeves (make sure the insulator is correctly in place at the top of the battery) Or in a pinch, electrical tape. (until you get your battery wraps). Basically, a damaged battery wrap can cause a short or arc inside the mod, bypassing all the IC protection and ending badly. Fortunately, since we only recommend high quality, brand name, tested and proven batteries, the mod should not blow up, but would heat up and the batteries vent inside. Usually you have a fair amount of time to toss the mod in a toilet or out off the deck, into a sink or cat box.. you get the idea.

99.99% of the time, a regulated mod heating up is not from the batteries, but rather from heat transferred from the atomizer. A heat sink helps reduce this issue. Basically, it is an "air cooled radiator" for your mod. It goes under your tank and over the 510 pin connector. It does exactly what the name implies..absorbs heat before it can reach your mod and IC board inside. Of course, a well built coil also helps keep the heat factor in check. (glows evenly, and not contacting the atomizer casing)

Now here I will mention the MOST important factor. ALL information here relates to regulated mods and NOT to mechanical mods, which are an advanced mod for advanced users. Basically, the information in this thread should be already known by mechanical mod users. Unfortunately, this isn't always the case, but it should be.

A cheap made in China battery might cost you $6.00 a quality brand name Sony might cost you $12.00.. Would anyone let me put a blow torch to their face for the difference in price ($6.00)? Moral.. don't buy the cheap, untrustworthy batteries.
 

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just checked your battery for you too here
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/attachments/img_0067-jpg.674181/
its a 20amp battery so you are good
but if you are pushing 60+ watts alot Try to recharge your battery a hair sooner so you dont push the amps too much. The lower teh battery charge teh more amps drawn
the more amps drawn the hotter the battery gets
the hotter the battery gets = BOOM

I would try to recharge around 3.3 volts if you are always above 60 watts to be safe\
but if you go below that sometimes your not going to blow up

Just adding Matt, the
AWT original red battery 3000mah 35A

is actually as you said, a 20A battery. Could be even less, since I don't know exactly what is inside the actual cell. But 3000mah are generally about 20a.
Now to our readers.. there IS NO SUCH THING as a 35A CDR battery. They just plain do not exist. Period, This company has labeled its CDR at 15 full amps above the 20A actual CDR. Why? Making a quick sale is more important than staying in business long term. If they get sued or go out of business.. all they have to do is print new labels under a different name and continue on.

Now Samsung, Sony and LG have nothing to do with me, they don't pay me, I dont make a commission or kick back, so recommending these batteries is of no benefit to me other than helping others vape safely. (whoops.. time to recharge my batteries. lol *I keep 2 sets charged and one set in my mod*) (I am using samsung browns..20A 3000Mah)
 

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just search this forum i have read of people on here having regulated mods vent
ITS RARE
but I think the most recent was a alien

I agree with almost all of what you say. But I have never heard that when autofiring starts happening or chip goes wonky the mod shuts off. I have had a mod in my pocket that kept firing till the mod is burning my leg and the batteries were too hot to touch i had to let them lay on the ground for five minutes to cool off. Now this wasnt an autofire issue, simply the way i was standing and shifting my weight i kept hitting the fire button and releasing it after the 10sec cutoff and pressing it again. Granted a rare situation and avoidable if I turned off my mod before pocketing it. Now in this situation the batteries didnt vent but they came close and the mod was only at 50 watts


but if the chip is going wonky even if it is suppose to shut off it might not

I understand we are pulsing
so usually as long as you are using at least 20amp batteries unless something goes wrong with the mod you shouldn't vent

But we have to be clear that people should always use good batteries like you mentioned and understand that if you decide to use 10amp batteries in dual 18650 and decide to run it at 200 watts and chain vape you better check your batteries to make sure they are not getting too hot, because regardless of the mod you are seriously pushing the limits of a 10amp battery even with it only being a pulse.

Regulated mods are not 100% safe.
1st the chip set could just be crap or have an bug in it which could cause issues that lead to venting
but if the chipset is good and no issues
then its highly unlikely that under NORMAL conditions the mod shold cause your batteries to vent
The main issue is when the mod becomes damaged
the battery wrap is damaged
or you decide to use crap batteries and run your mod at its highest setting non stop without understanding the fact you are taxing them and not understanding basic battery safety

the other thing to worry about is leaving the mod on with an atty attached unattended or in your pocket,in a backpack etc where something could happen that is NOT NORMAL usage and causes a battery to vent
 

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just search this forum i have read of people on here having regulated mods vent
ITS RARE
but I think the most recent was a alien

I agree with almost all of what you say. But I have never heard that when autofiring starts happening or chip goes wonky the mod shuts off. I have had a mod in my pocket that kept firing till the mod is burning my leg and the batteries were too hot to touch i had to let them lay on the ground for five minutes to cool off. Now this wasnt an autofire issue, simply the way i was standing and shifting my weight i kept hitting the fire button and releasing it after the 10sec cutoff and pressing it again. Granted a rare situation and avoidable if I turned off my mod before pocketing it. Now in this situation the batteries didnt vent but they came close and the mod was only at 50 watts


but if the chip is going wonky even if it is suppose to shut off it might not

I understand we are pulsing
so usually as long as you are using at least 20amp batteries unless something goes wrong with the mod you shouldn't vent

But we have to be clear that people should always use good batteries like you mentioned and understand that if you decide to use 10amp batteries in dual 18650 and decide to run it at 200 watts and chain vape you better check your batteries to make sure they are not getting too hot, because regardless of the mod you are seriously pushing the limits of a 10amp battery even with it only being a pulse.

Regulated mods are not 100% safe.
1st the chip set could just be crap or have an bug in it which could cause issues that lead to venting
but if the chipset is good and no issues
then its highly unlikely that under NORMAL conditions the mod shold cause your batteries to vent
The main issue is when the mod becomes damaged
the battery wrap is damaged
or you decide to use crap batteries and run your mod at its highest setting non stop without understanding the fact you are taxing them and not understanding basic battery safety

the other thing to worry about is leaving the mod on with an atty attached unattended or in your pocket,in a backpack etc where something could happen that is NOT NORMAL usage and causes a battery to vent
See the problem wasn't with you mod... it was with you carrying it around in your pocket. Kind of like a $400 cell bill because you sat on the phone and it called Japan for 40 minutes. You could have turned the mod off.. and no accidental firing issue.

Nothing is 100% safe, but lets compare how safe regulated mods are when used and cared for properly, and not examples of doing what you should not be doing and getting burned by it.

1st the chip set could just be crap or have an bug in it which could cause issues that lead to venting
and this is the 1 in 10 million or whatever the guy was talking about. To be perfectly honest. It is far more likely that you mod will not work at all right out of the box. Be assured, if there were a manufacturing issue with any mod, we would hear about it.

Remember..IF the primary controller fails.. it fails.. nothing goes to the 2nd controller. Even IF it did, there is still the 2nd controller formula.. watts=voltage squared divided by resistance. So even if you used a 10 amp, 3.7v battery, your watts will be the same as if you had used a 30a 3.7v battery. This information is very handy if you want to build large coils using higher resistance wires. Rather than build a 20 wrap coil, you build a 10wrap parallel.. (lol you can trust me here or do the math to see what the difference is and how it works)

Main thing we agree on.. dont mistreat your mod and used good quality, properly labeled batteries.
If you have to carry your mod in a pocket.. turn it off.

Remember, user error is not a problem with the mod.

By the way, as you said.. IF you are using good batteries..
well if you come here and we tell you what the good batteries are, and joe user decides to skimp to save $2... we cant fault the mod for that either.
We both know why we recommend the batteries we do. We tell new people why we use those brands.. I mean, short of the admin giving out IP addys and us tracking them down to check batteries, and beating them with the mod if they are using the cheapies.. we are limited as to how much we can do. lol
 

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