Help picking new rta or rda

[Kaged_Gryphon]

I just bought an RX200 and want to break it in right with a new rebuildable. I'm looking at the Boreas, the Rafale X, or the Avocado 24. I currently have a 30mm VCMT that I use on my Panzer DNA200. I also have A Buddha V2 and 2 Temples. How does the Boreas compare to the 30mm VCMT? Any opinions as to what to try next are welcome.

 

[arth1981]

Boreas will give waaaaay better flavor than the vcmt 30mm, and the wicking is less fussy.

 

[Kaged_Gryphon]

Boreas will give waaaaay better flavor than the vcmt 30mm, and the wicking is less fussy.

So you would go with the Boreas over a new rda?

 

[arth1981]

So you would go with the Boreas over a new rda?

See... That's where it gets tricky. Lol. I have a boreas, looooove my boreas, but I'm on a RDA kick right now. I'm super into the Petri v2 and the twisted messes squared.

I find even when I have a tank I always have a separate bottle of juice with me anyways and dripping doesn't bother me so much. It's less of a production to just dump a dropper-full in every few pulls vs filling a tank, any tank. But that's just me. I guess in the end if you want a tank that vapes like a dripper, get a boreas. If you just want a dripper, then just get a dripper.

 

[MannyScoot]

So you would go with the Boreas over a new rda?

I just bought on Friday a new Boreas black edition on eBay free shipping $25.00..... The best deal ever... Get a Boreas.... You won't be disappointed.....

 

[levander]

I read that the Boreas has an 8 ml tank. I thought smaller tanks were better for flavor chasers? Can the Borea really be one of the better ones for flavor?

 

[MannyScoot]

I own the crown, tfv4 mini, vcmt, Maganus, and the Boreas is the closest one to compete against rda flavors. Rdas have good flavor due to side air and rebuildable deck and wicking options. The Boreas is as close as you're getting at this time in 2016, I'm in the process of putting ceramic coils in the Boreas, it's a tank that will give you an opportunity to use your ability to be creative and experiment.

 

[roxynoodle]

I read that the Boreas has an 8 ml tank. I thought smaller tanks were better for flavor chasers? Can the Borea really be one of the better ones for flavor?

It's a misconception.

I promise you Boreas is a flavor monster.

 

[MannyScoot]

It's a misconception.

I promise you Boreas is a flavor monster.

I second this.... I Vape a multiple flavor fruit ejuice 85vg.... And I can taste coconut, Guava, pineapple, mango, and others I put in this juice and I taste flavors in the Boreas that don't come out in other tanks..... It's as close in flavor to an rda as you can get..... I mean it....

 

[roxynoodle]

I really don't know how some things get spread around forums that just aren't true, like the small RTA, small chamber stuff. Or some people repeatedly post that all RTAs leak. None of mine have unless an o ring has gone bad. I suspect it all comes from people who don't build things right.

 

[MannyScoot]

Roxy I chain Vape the Boreas and I blow over 30ml daily.... My baby hasn't leaked ever, but I fill it using the correct suggested method..... My vcmt use to loose juice under the bottom and flood every box through the 510 And I paid $65.00 for it...... I picked my Boreas up at an unbelievable price thinking we'll if it leaks, screw it I don't loose much, now I realized how much crap is spread around..... I just bought another black Boreas on eBay a black one, they are hard to find in black, just to have in my future arsenal.

 

[roxynoodle]

Roxy I chain Vape the Boreas and I blow over 30ml daily.... My baby hasn't leaked ever, but I fill it using the correct suggested method..... My vcmt use to loose juice under the bottom and flood every box through the 510 And I paid $65.00 for it...... I picked my Boreas up at an unbelievable price thinking we'll if it leaks, screw it I don't loose much, now I realized how much crap is spread around..... I just bought another black Boreas on eBay a black one, they are hard to find in black, just to have in my future arsenal.

I'm very happy to know you love Boreas And thank you for your support. We wanted to accomplish several things with the design: fantastic flavor, excellent capacity, and a large deck for ease in coiling, and of course, ease in wicking (which is the most common problem people have with RTAs).

And we had the same goals with Merlin, just a smaller and different package.

 

[iVape]

Roxy I chain Vape the Boreas and I blow over 30ml daily.... My baby hasn't leaked ever, but I fill it using the correct suggested method..... My vcmt use to loose juice under the bottom and flood every box through the 510 And I paid $65.00 for it...... I picked my Boreas up at an unbelievable price thinking we'll if it leaks, screw it I don't loose much, now I realized how much crap is spread around..... I just bought another black Boreas on eBay a black one, they are hard to find in black, just to have in my future arsenal.

Care to post that link? I cant find it.

 

[iVape]

I'm very happy to know you love Boreas And thank you for your support. We wanted to accomplish several things with the design: fantastic flavor, excellent capacity, and a large deck for ease in coiling, and of course, ease in wicking (which is the most common problem people have with RTAs).

And we had the same goals with Merlin, just a smaller and different package.

Were you on board for the alleria as well?

 

[AmandaD]

It's a misconception.

I promise you Boreas is a flavor monster.

Absolutely true - my favorite RTA to date

 

[AlbyKortoona]

Black Boreas. $22

http://vaporjoe.blogspot.com/2016/05/authentic-augvape-boreas-rta-black-2215.html

 

[Ogvapez]

I just bought an RX200 and want to break it in right with a new rebuildable. I'm looking at the Boreas, the Rafale X, or the Avocado 24. I currently have a 30mm VCMT that I use on my Panzer DNA200. I also have A Buddha V2 and 2 Temples. How does the Boreas compare to the 30mm VCMT? Any opinions as to what to try next are welcome.

Do not get Rafael X is no good.
1 Boreas RTA knocks the lights off VCMT no match.
2 Avacado 24mm
3 New Tsunami 24mm is a Beast, 22mm was a let down.
4 Petri V2 Authentic or clone kicks ass.

 

[roxynoodle]

Were you on board for the alleria as well?

I tested the first version, and suggested some changes, which they implemented.

 

[iVape]

I tested the first version, and suggested some changes, which they implemented.

Of the two which shall I go for?

 

[iVape]

Black Boreas. $22

http://vaporjoe.blogspot.com/2016/05/authentic-augvape-boreas-rta-black-2215.html

Thats from FT. @MannyScoot said ebay. Id rather order off ebay and have it in 3 days

 

[roxynoodle]

Of the two which shall I go for?

Do you mean Boreas or Alleria? If so, they are both nice. Choose the one that appeals to you more.

Eciggity has lowered the price on Boreas as well.

 

[AlbyKortoona]

Do not get Rafael X is no good.

What is no good about it? That is a good atty for those of us who use dual 18650 series mods. The neutral post concept is a good one and I expect to see more in the future. My only gripe, and in my eyes it's a big one, is no 510 drip tip adapter. Stupid....

 

[JERUS]

It's a misconception.

I promise you Boreas is a flavor monster.

First the Boreas is a flavor monster, no doubt about that.

However, I don't know if it's a misconception, it seems a valid theory to me. Why does my Haze or Theorem taste so good compared to the same coil and juice on my Avocado without the stopper (I was having wicking issues initially with the Avocado and not having the stopper in single coil fixed it)? Why does my Avocado taste better than my Griffin again with the same coils and juice?

The coils and the wicking are of course most important. A good coil that has wicking able to keep up and stay pretty well saturated is key, and that's why I think the Boreas does so well, it wicks better than any other RTA and more build space as well. But, I do think there are other factors. I know my Diablo RTA seems to have a nicer flavor closer to my Avocado and RDAs, but it's less powerful so I don't get that "soak your mouth with juice" flavor that the Boreas puts off for me. So while the "smaller is better flavor" may not be completely right, I think there is at least some evidence that leads to that thought and maybe some truth to it.

Either way the Boreas is probably the best overall RTA I've come across. I love my Diablo for it's small size but in the end it has nothing on the Boreas. Easy and exceptionally functional wicking, huge build space, high capacity and just very well designed and machined. The only thing not positive (not even negative) about it I could say is that it's not a full 8mL of capacity, probably closer to 6mL if i had to guess, as you can't fill to the brim unless you want leaking (follow the manual and it works great). But, that's still plenty of capacity

 

[iVape]

Are there any real differences aside from juice capacity

 

[AlbyKortoona]

Thats from FT. @MannyScoot said ebay. Id rather order off ebay and have it in 3 days

Suit yourself, just threw that out there for anyone in the market for one.

 

[roxynoodle]

First the Boreas is a flavor monster, no doubt about that.

However, I don't know if it's a misconception, it seems a valid theory to me. Why does my Haze or Theorem taste so good compared to the same coil and juice on my Avocado without the stopper (I was having wicking issues initially with the Avocado and not having the stopper in single coil fixed it)? Why does my Avocado taste better than my Griffin again with the same coils and juice?

The coils and the wicking are of course most important. A good coil that has wicking able to keep up and stay pretty well saturated is key, and that's why I think the Boreas does so well, it wicks better than any other RTA and more build space as well. But, I do think there are other factors. I know my Diablo RTA seems to have a nicer flavor closer to my Avocado and RDAs, but it's less powerful so I don't get that "soak your mouth with juice" flavor that the Boreas puts off for me. So while the "smaller is better flavor" may not be completely right, I think there is at least some evidence that leads to that thought and maybe some truth to it.

Either way the Boreas is probably the best overall RTA I've come across. I love my Diablo for it's small size but in the end it has nothing on the Boreas. Easy and exceptionally functional wicking, huge build space, high capacity and just very well designed and machined. The only thing not positive (not even negative) about it I could say is that it's not a full 8mL of capacity, probably closer to 6mL if i had to guess, as you can't fill to the brim unless you want leaking (follow the manual and it works great). But, that's still plenty of capacity

Well, the chamber and deck on the Avocado are designed for dual without the adapter Move the posts and redesign the chamber for single, and I bet things would change.

 

[roxynoodle]

I've gotten 9.2ml into Boreas

 

[Ogvapez]

What is no good about it? That is a good atty for those of us who use dual 18650 series mods. The neutral post concept is a good one and I expect to see more in the future. My only gripe, and in my eyes it's a big one, is no 510 drip tip adapter. Stupid....

Well didn't work for me in my dual 18650 series mod. I got tons of cloud but muted flavor. Redid different setup it was a no go for me. Cool concept tho?

 

[JERUS]

Well, the chamber and deck on the Avocado are designed for dual without the adapter Move the posts and redesign the chamber for single, and I bet things would change.

Yup, but that's kind of it, the main difference was the shape of the chamber. Airflow was very similar, the coils were basically identical, and in the griffin vs avocado I did use the exact same coils. I don't know I just feel there has to be some reason and the idea of smaller chambers and/or having the coils closer to the mouth has some effect. Not nearly that of single wire coils vs say a staple or something fancy like that.

I've gotten 9.2ml into Boreas

impressive. I was just strait guessing on that closer to 6mL figure, just knowing that I have to clear that bottom chamber before refilling or I get issues has me leaving a decent amount of air in the tank once all is said and done, otherwise I get leaks if I try to fill beyond that.

 

[AlbyKortoona]

Well didn't work for me in my dual 18650 series mod. I got tons of cloud but muted flavor. Redid different setup it was a no go for me. Cool concept tho?

ok, that prompted me to change mods and atty and reassess. I have a dual alien on this X that is coming out at 1.1 ohms, and it puts the Noisy Cricket to work and chucks flavorful clouds. YMMV....

 

[Ogvapez]

ok, that prompted me to change mods and atty and reassess. I have a dual alien on this X that is coming out at 1.1 ohms, and it puts the Noisy Cricket to work and chucks flavorful clouds. YMMV....

Gonna give that a go thx

 

[AlbyKortoona]

Those coils are made by Crazy Chef (purecoils.com), I tried and it was a total fail at 3x30k core and 38n wrap. But I'll bet he remembers twisting those...

edit - now that I think about it, those might be 40g wraps

 

[CrazyChef]

38N80

 

[HDMontana]

I just ordered my 4th Boreas. Really like it.

HD

 

[MannyScoot]

I'm very happy to know you love Boreas And thank you for your support. We wanted to accomplish several things with the design: fantastic flavor, excellent capacity, and a large deck for ease in coiling, and of course, ease in wicking (which is the most common problem people have with RTAs).

And we had the same goals with Merlin, just a smaller and different package.

My 3rd in black arrived today...... And yes I'm in love again...... Just love my 3 babes.....

 

[cutevape]

mutation x v5 would be crazy

 

[MannyScoot]

Never had a mutationX..... But got my CLT V4 and it kicks ass..... But we're here to talk Boreas.... And using the 2mm deck packed solid with heavy cotton, I mean packed with a little room under the coils, not a single drop of ejuice is wasted and Vaping on the 3rd hole on 85 to 130 watts...... Amazing flavor and huuuge clouds..... With NO dry hits..... With the Boreas you learn something new with every wick...... It vapes differently even using Rayon....... I like it !!!!!!!

 

[MannyScoot]

I've gotten 9.2ml into Boreas

I can fill mine to above the juice holes and again after priming and 9ml easily fit..... But drinking beers and Vaping with friends it still goes empty after 30 minutes...... Damb can't figure that out

 

[roxynoodle]

I can fill mine to above the juice holes and again after priming and 9ml easily fit..... But drinking beers and Vaping with friends it still goes empty after 30 minutes...... Damb can't figure that out

30 minutes? Dang!

 

[MannyScoot]

I guess clouds, flavor and high wattage=Lots of ejuice squared......

 

[AlbyKortoona]

Vaping on the 3rd hole

Lol. But it does explain how to consume 18ml of ejuice per hour while at the same time drinking beer.

 

[MannyScoot]

I like to see people (Usually Smokers) coughing and almost dying after they ask me for a puff on my Boreas......They are like WTF cough cough cough snots rolling out of their nose......

 

[roxynoodle]

I like to see people (Usually Smokers) coughing and almost dying after they ask me for a puff on my Boreas......They are like WTF cough cough cough snots rolling out of their nose......

That won't help them switch, lol! I tell them it's not the right atty to start with

 

[MannyScoot]

 

[CrazyChef]

What do you have for coils in it?

 

[roxynoodle]

Hope you used a low nic level

You look like me when I was testing the prototype. I made juice with no nic! I also took it up to 200W and chain vaped it

 

[MannyScoot]

Dual 316ss flat fused Clapton (6) 2.5mm wraps

 

[MannyScoot]

After that.... My head is spinning..... 12mg nic.....

 

[MannyScoot]

What do you have for coils in it?

Dual 316 stainless steel fused flat Claptons.2.5mm 6wrap ..... It does look Like an alien coil

 

[MannyScoot]

Here is a pic