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HIC recipes -- best way to vape? (high VG or PG?)
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It's all about how you like to vape. I'm not a "cloud guy"..so I usually build to about 1 ohm to 1.2 60VG/40PG and rarely go above 20 watts. Never had a bad experience with an HIC recipe with how I like to vape. There are a few FA flavors like Cocoa that are known to burn at really high wattages. I'm sure there are lots of people who sub ohm the crap out of HIC's recipes though. Just personal preference. While it's good to get ideas how other people vape, don't ever let anyone tell you that theirs is the right way for you. If you post this same question in the builders forum, they'll have you vaping everything on a .00018 Super Dragon Nano Stovetop Staggered Clapton Unicorn Zipper Coil...lol Just find YOUR sweet spot and you are good to go 
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Agree with soulshine .....
Everyone starts somewhere, and some never stop looking.....
The "Perfect" vape is elusive..... a satisfying vape is a little easier to find !
If you're not looking for major clouds and are more concerned with taste, it comes down to what taste good to you.
And if you are DIYselfing, experiment to what works for you AND your gear. ( I use an old Russian 91% most the time and 50/50 is about perfect for it, while some of my mixes I know are better more VG heavy, I will get dry hits chain vaping the Russian with it that way.)
Anyways.............
Everyone starts somewhere, and some never stop looking.....
The "Perfect" vape is elusive..... a satisfying vape is a little easier to find !
If you're not looking for major clouds and are more concerned with taste, it comes down to what taste good to you.
And if you are DIYselfing, experiment to what works for you AND your gear. ( I use an old Russian 91% most the time and 50/50 is about perfect for it, while some of my mixes I know are better more VG heavy, I will get dry hits chain vaping the Russian with it that way.)
Anyways.............
Took the words right out of my mouth. I used to use high-PG. Now I'm max-VG. You should do whatever tastes best to YOU!
I prefer science before personal choices, just saying.
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Well since none of us HAVE all the science yet, personal choices are all we're left with. My opinion is that those who do the super subohming at ludicrous watts and heating up the coils and wicking material to what will surely be dangerous levels are setting themselves up for whatever the worst case scenario could possibly be. Why? To impress other "dudes at the vape shop" LOL But I'm not gonna tell anybody what they can or can't (or should or shouldn't do). It's not my right. All we have is common sense to rely on. And if there's one thing that most of this community lacks more than initiative (especially where advocacy is concerned)...it's common sense. I'm just saying
If your just looking for a good place to start you could go with a 50/50 blend and then work your way from there. Or if your able to you can make the same flavor at max pg, 60/40 pg/vg, 50/50, 40/60 pg/vg, and finally a max vg blend. That way you'll get a good feel for what gives you the best flavor, throat hit, or any other factor your looking for. It is a bit of work but you'll find what works best for you
Since I began vaping I mainly vaped 50/50.
I recently within the past few days switched to 70/30.
Wow what a difference with higher VG. What have I been missing. Just saying!
I recently within the past few days switched to 70/30.
Wow what a difference with higher VG. What have I been missing. Just saying!
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I'm sensitive to VG, so I'll weigh in for the high PG crowd. I make mine at 80p/20v and pretty much everything is awesome for me.
I'm curious where this comes from? Could you point me to a link and/or give me the general idea? It's a new one to me. I suppose it depends on what the VG is made from, eh? A lot of times we vapers, even DIYers, don't really know.
You can make a research on acrolein. 280 Celcius is the point where acrolein is formed.
I think it's impossible to get acrolein without a minimum of 50-60 watts, with sub-ohm resistance... I have to find more information.
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I really appreciate your insight on this, I've also seen you post stuff regarding this elsewhere. Being that a large majority of vaping is all subjective, I absolutely love to read into things that could be potentially proven issues down the road. If nothing else, you've given me reason to look further into stuff that I might not otherwise have. So, again, thanks.
I may be wrong but I think Hic may build his recipes for more moderate vaping, i.e.: lower watts. I know new vapers like to jump on the band wagon, buy the largest watt mod they can, build the lowest ohm, vape at 10,000 watts and wonder why they can't taste anything.
I do a lot of Hic's recipes, couple of my own and others here. I tried some at higher temps, in the >300 degree range. I didn't like it. Everything tasted burned or the flavors just didn't pop like before. I guess you could say I am a boring vaper since I build the same coil at the same ohm and use the same watts for all my RDAs. But, as others have said, it is subjective.
It is good you are asking for guidance, though. I know I did when I first started. I still do and get great answers from bunches of people.
I do a lot of Hic's recipes, couple of my own and others here. I tried some at higher temps, in the >300 degree range. I didn't like it. Everything tasted burned or the flavors just didn't pop like before. I guess you could say I am a boring vaper since I build the same coil at the same ohm and use the same watts for all my RDAs. But, as others have said, it is subjective.
It is good you are asking for guidance, though. I know I did when I first started. I still do and get great answers from bunches of people.
Thank you. Even if we don't have all the answers, we can share what we know. Each year, we know more.
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I listened to Dimitri's show a couple of weeks ago when Dr F was on. Basically he said that studying high wattage/voltage vaping will be the next area of focus for his new study. I mean if you think about it logically, IF there is anything bad about vaping, it'll rear it's ugly head when you start getting to those ridiculously high watts. Who knows what heating even our little innocuous ingredients up to those kinds of temps will produce? And as he also has said, vaping 30 mls a day or something silly like that at those watts can't be good for you...ie...8 glasses of water a day is just enough, but 80 gallons will kill you. At this point it's logical speculation..but there will be concrete results in the next study.
He was talking about doing this research eight months ago when he was on the Russ Wishtart podcast. It must be hard to get funding--other than from vapers--when you're known as a vaping advocate. I came across something recently trying to discredit him for being "in the pocket" of the electronic cigarette industry. It was probably on that horrible California public health site (stillblowingsmokedotorg) but I don't remember. There's a partial transcript of that old Wishtart interview here.
Most people I know that lung hit and subohm like high VG, while most people I know that mouth-to-lung hit at higher resistance like high PG - I think maybe the reason being that PG gives a stronger throat hit that may be too harsh for lung hitters. But this doesn't apply to everybody. I mouth hit (I hardly even do the "to-lung" part) and I like high VG (70% right now) for the extra volume from VG and lack of any harshness. When I first started though, my juices always had to be 80%PG because I wanted to feel that throat hit without having to increase my nic. That was on cigalikes and Spinners with cartos and clearos (1.8-2.7Ω). Now I'm on mechs and RBAs, 0.7-0.9Ω.
Best thing to do to start would be just to try samples in different ratios to find what you like (or mix small amounts, if you DIY). Flavor and your equipment will affect how it hits too, but this should give you a good idea of what works best for you. You might also find that you're more sensitive to one than the other, so your preferred ratio may be dictated by that.
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