How important is constant temp?

[Davidl41]

Im new to vaping so this will be a very basic question.
There are vapes that go upwards of 100 watts and others that are 40 watts.

The vapor flask is only 40 watts but from reviews I read the chip is very good at keeping temp steady? What makes the vapor flask so good even though it is 40 watts? I would assume it doesnt have enough power for below .4 ohms.

 

[The Vape Crusader]

Not true what you said about 40w not being enough power for 0.4 ohms. I can vape in wattage mode with my 0.4 ohm titanium coil, and I vape happily at 20w. Shelling out big bucks for a 100w mod would probably be overkill. But the vapor flask is overpriced too. There are 50 watt mods (and 40-60w temp control mods) for less than half the price, and I'm not sure the flask has a temp control mode. You're just paying for a shape. If you like it so much that you're willing to pay for the shape, then that's certainly your choice.

How important is temp control? Well, it's not about importance, its about what you like. In wattage mode, your coils will heat up as you inhale, which could eventually lead to hotter, unpleasant hits... but if that happens, you can always back off on the wattage on your device.

I personally think temp control is great, because the coils will throttle on and off in order to keep a relatively steady temperature that you specify. I vape at 360F with that same 0.4 ohm titanium coil, and I can take huge flavorful hits without fear of the device heating up on me.

Just make sure you get a tank that can take nickel or titanium coils... those are the ones specified for temp control (though like i said, they can be used in wattage mode). The Joyetech ego ONE takes them (good cheap tank for around $15), and most of the Aspire models have nickel and titanium coils that will fit them. Those are a bit more pricey, but they are very nice tanks.

Hope this has helped. I'm a relatively new vaper too and I've learned a ton.

 

[PaulS]

I am one of those who disagrees - I do not like the taste of a nickel or titanium coil. I have two mods with temp control - An IPV D2 and a Sig 150W - I use both with kanthal. I also like to drip (a side issue) and hate building with nickel. I much prefer a fused or twisted clapton build which lasts me a good month or more. The prebuilt coils are problematic for me. I do like the taste of the kanger and the crown coils are slightly better. I also have a freemax and much prefer the taste of the .25 kanger.

As for resistance - well a .4 will vape nicely at 40W - I have not vaped at 40 W in a while though TBH. My tanks and drippers start performing at 50W+. There are those that do not mind the taste of titanium and nickel. I do notice the difference. Maybe I'm too sensitive or maybe I have a nickel allergy I'm not aware of.

Everyone has their own idea of a decent mod. I use to regulated mods now ( Sifg 150 aqnd D2 for stealth) and an unregulated box (castigor with 13 heavens on top) and a mech mod (authentic akuma w/ dark horse) and I have an Ibliss 40w unregulated tube that I take to walk the dog, lol. I don't use TC in any of these.

I have been vaping for awhile now. On the shelf are a slew of old mods I never use anymore. Occasionally I give one away to a new vapor - just gave a friend my elaef 30W to get him started with the old kanger tank. There is no correct answer for you. Personally I buy the product I trust. I happily spent 199 dollars for an authentic phillipine castigator and an authentic akuma cost me over 100 dollars. I buy Sigelei because I trust their product too. Vapor flask are well built and reliable. If it was my money though I would seek out the SX mini first. It is a beautifully built mod that is very flexible - and yes it is pricey.

 

[Davidl41]

Interesting info. Never thought of the taste being different in titanium and nickel. I assume they are generally safe to use?

So a set up at 30 watts on a flask can be as enjoyable or more than a 70+ watt setup on a sigelei 150 tc. I bought the sigelei 150 tc because I though the extra wattage is what makes a mod better. I can now tell there is a bit more to it than that, which im still not understanding.

 

[Myk]

I love TC. Whether I take a soft puff or a hard lung hit it's roughly the same because the chip is trying to keep the coil temperature the same. With W/V the consistency relies on your puff rate/air flow across the coil.

I also understand why some people don't like TC and say it's lifeless. I agree, it is that lack of "life" that allows me to be able to lung hit TC which I could never do with W/V so I completely understand where they're coming from, I like it, they don't.

The reason I think TC is good for beginners is the same reason people used to recommend a cheap VV for beginners, so you can find out what you like.

There's more to it than xW=xΩ. Wire gauge, air flow, liquid flow, liquid contents and probably more I'm not thinking about all play a part.

 

[The Vape Crusader]

I am one of those who disagrees - I do not like the taste of a nickel or titanium coil. I have two mods with temp control - An IPV D2 and a Sig 150W - I use both with kanthal. I also like to drip (a side issue) and hate building with nickel. I much prefer a fused or twisted clapton build which lasts me a good month or more. The prebuilt coils are problematic for me. I do not like the taste of the kanger and the crown coils are slightly better. I also have a freemax and much prefer the taste of the .25 kanger.

As for resistance - well a .4 will vape nicely at 40W - I have not vaped at 40 W in a while though TBH. My tanks and drippers start performing at 50W+. There are those that do not mind the taste of titanium and nickel. I do notice the difference. Maybe I'm too sensitive or maybe I have a nickel allergy I'm not aware of.

Everyone has their own idea of a decent mod. I use to regulated mods now ( Sifg 150 aqnd D2 for stealth) and an unregulated box (castigor with 13 heavens on top) and a mech mod (authentic akuma w/ dark horse) and I have an Ibliss 40w unregulated tube that I take to walk the dog, lol. I don't use TC in any of these.

I have been vaping for awhile now. On the shelf are a slew of old mods I never use anymore. Occasionally I give one away to a new vapor - just gave a friend my elaef 30W to get him started with the old kanger tank. There is no correct answer for you. Personally I buy the product I trust. I happily spent 199 dollars for an authentic phillipine castigor and an authentic akuma cost me over 100 dollars. I buy Sigelei because I trust their product too. Vapor flask are well built and reliable. If it was my money though I would seek out the SX mini first. It is a beautifully built mod that is very flexible - and yes it is pricey.

Well, I think you would agree that you and I are operating on completely different levels. You're a vaping veteran and enthusiast who is building coils and buying exotic mods, I am a novice/beginner who is still learning, but has a bit of knowledge behind my belt. I think you might as well get a less expensive TC mod, because even if you don't like it, you can always go back to wattage . To each their own.

 

[The Vape Crusader]

Interesting info. Never thought of the taste being different in titanium and nickel. I assume they are generally safe to use?

So a set up at 30 watts on a flask can be as enjoyable or more than a 70+ watt setup on a sigelei 150 tc. I bought the sigelei 150 tc because I though the extra wattage is what makes a mod better. I can now tell there is a bit more to it than that, which im still not understanding.

Hey David,

Dude, do NOT be embarrassed about buying a Sigelei 150 TC just because you thought "more wattage was better". That is a GREAT mod, and depending on your goals, may be the only vape you'll ever need. And if it fits your budget, hey, more power to you, literally... . Besides, more wattage is "better" in a manner of speaking, because it gives you so much room to expand.

Now that said, don't be disappointed when you find yourself at first vaping at 15-30 watts... Like i said before, I'm at most using 20 watts at 0.4 ohms, and I'm a novice like you. But as time goes on, you'll probably want more wattage, and you have WAY more room to expand than I do. If you turn into a real cloud enthusiast, you can stick with that same mod, and the possibilities are nearly endless.

May I ask how much you paid for the mod? Happy vaping!

 

[PaulS]

- this - you will do just fine with your Sig.

 

[Davidl41]

I paid 105 Canadian roughly 80ish USD.

I wasnt really thinking that I got a bad mod, but rather what is the thing that makes DNA 40 mods so great and praised by reviewers. When I got my very first vape I was thinking that, but now I am getting the sigelei so it is fixed.

To me as a beginner I saw it as 40 watts is like a 200 hp car and 150 watt is like a 800hp car. Im not quite understanding what makes the DNA 40 chipset so great even though I know it is by all the positive praise.

Maybe my question would be better if it was worded like this:

What is the difference between a 50 dollar mod at 40 watts vs a DNA 40?

 

[The Vape Crusader]

Oh that beautiful CAD/USD exchange rate. I bought a set of goal pads in July and paid $400 less because of the strong USD . Cha-ching.

Yeah, that's a very admirable price for that mod, consider yourself a smart shopper.

To answer the DNA40 question: I was just looking around, and holy hell is that thing expensive for a 40w. I'm sure it's built very well, and has great features, but it sure as hell seems you're paying for a nameplate and a serial number etched into the metal. Sorry if this offends anyone, but that sounds like a big load of horse dung to me. IMO, you should be glad you avoided paying double, especially as a new vaper.

In theory, the answer to your last question is "nothing." 40 watts of power is 40 watts of power. But, because of differences in build quality, perhaps some mods are more consistent and accurate at delivering the wattage shown on your screen. It also may be fair to assume that your mod would be more consistent, because at 40 watts, my mod is "maxed out," while yours is just getting started .

Sigelei is a great and respected brand in the industry. You did not go wrong.

What will be your tank and coil of choice?

 

[ChrisL]

When I find a mod on Fasttech or efun.top, etc that Im interested in, I immediately go to youtube and see if there is a review of the device that has been uploaded. Most of the time I can watch reviewers I trust and see the pros and cons of said device. To answer your question, the Evolv chip is reliable and time tested. I can tell you that the clone versions of the Vapor Flask (Geeco and SXK) are fantastic devices for 1/3 the price. (60watt).

 

[DevAuto]

I paid 105 Canadian roughly 80ish USD.

I wasnt really thinking that I got a bad mod, but rather what is the thing that makes DNA 40 mods so great and praised by reviewers. When I got my very first vape I was thinking that, but now I am getting the sigelei so it is fixed.

To me as a beginner I saw it as 40 watts is like a 200 hp car and 150 watt is like a 800hp car. Im not quite understanding what makes the DNA 40 chipset so great even though I know it is by all the positive praise.

Maybe my question would be better if it was worded like this:

What is the difference between a 50 dollar mod at 40 watts vs a DNA 40?

@Davidl41 The biggest thing with the DNA 40 vs. most of the clone boards is the consistency and power regulation. I have several clone boards and a couple of authentic DNAs, and the clones just don't hold up as well as the authentics in these 2 areas. My hits are more consistent on an authentic, and the battery life is better. Don't take that to mean that the authentic DNA is the best though, if you get a good clone, they work almost as well and are much more cost effective dollar for dollar. Sigelei is known for producing a good product, you should be very happy with it for a long time.

BTW, I have been vaping for quite a while now, and I still don't generally exceed about 25 watts. For me, this is a nicotine delivery system, and I tend to chase flavor, not clouds, so I don't need the high power that many folks prefer. As already stated in this thread, TC and nickel/titanium at lower temps works beautifully and doesn't require 100+ watts to be effective, and gives the added benefit of longer battery life.

 

[Davidl41]

The exchange rate is good on my half too. When I buy usually the american sites are cheaper, now its the same.

So on the evolv chip the temp runs more accurate and more reliable? Would I be able to tell the difference in taste and cloud or is it a more nuanced type feel?

A subtank mini is coming soon in the mail. I will be rebuilding, maybe in nickel or titanium for tc. Im interested in dual coals yet im scared cause im not sure if it will short circuit or do something funky. Im still a noobie so I havent tested out any sub ohm coils. A co worker has a .4 and the clouds are huge. I kinda like that. At the same time I hear taste is suppose to be better on a reg ohm coil and mine is a 2 ohm so it should taste amazing, but its a little blah.. Anyways I cant wait to test out a lower ohm coil.

 

[DevAuto]

I think the difference is subtle enough that a new vaper probably won't notice much difference in flavor or cloud between the two, like I said, they are both good (some very good).

As for dual coils, I don't recommend them usually for new vapers, but if you feel you must, then don't be overly concerned. All the modern chips used in mods have short circuit protection and will let you know if there is a short. Unless you are using a pure mechanical mod, there is not too much to worry about.

If you decide to try a mech, make sure you get a GOOD meter, and test every coil before firing it. Also make sure that you are using good high drain batteries like the Sony VTC, LG HG, or Samsungs. You really want a solid battery for a mech, otherwise if you over power the coil, you could be holding a pipe bomb.

Taste is a VERY subjective thing, before temp control, I was using 1.2 ohm pre-built coils for the best flavor. Once I started building my own coils, I found the flavor got even better in the .9-1.1 ohm range, that was the sweet spot for me. Now with temperature control, I'm learning all over again, it is about finding the right temperature to get the best flavor, and so far, that seems to vary based on the juice I am vaping.

HTH!