I can't tell ECF from VU now

[tombaker]

If they want you gone, trust me it will happen, they have so many joining on a daily basis they don't give a flying fuck about who you are anymore or what you had contributed to the forum in your prior years there. your just a number.

You're not just a number if you use Facebook Login on ECF. You are so much more than a number.
E-Cigarette-Forum will receive the following info your public profile, friend list, email address, birthday, work history, interests, current city, website, personal description and likes.

 

[Whiskey]

I believe I just said that mr. tom baker, they used their veterans until they had no use for them anymore, shut down long standing popular threads and told the forefathers to take a hike. I'm not talking about what new shit they are into now with facebook I am talking about the turn of what once was something meaningful and throwing many under the bus to do it.

 

[Hobby Kid]

i am not privy to what sin you committed to get banned, but i can guess it had something to do with being a free thinker. god they hate that.

I like free thinkers. They keep the world with fresh ideas

 

[kelli]

I like free thinkers. They keep the world with fresh ideas

oppressive regimes don't like them tho. and they don't like fresh ideas either.

 

[Hobby Kid]

oppressive regimes don't like them tho. and they don't like fresh ideas either. View attachment 3021

That's tough. ECF must've been bad. I don't think I ever joined. I don't think I've ever really engaged as much so quick or stayed as long as I have as here in vu. I've been ticked off and trolled and kicked out of a few places. I haven't had so much of a frown from vu. I will stay here. I like the people. You're nice too. Well, you're ok in your fruity way

 

[ghost62]

I once got an ECF infraction because I mentioned that someone asked me if my ecig was used for smoking for dope. I even went on to say how things like that give us all a bad name.
The thread was about misconceptions people have about vaping so I felt the comment was entirely appropriate.
Their moderators felt otherwise...

 

[Hobby Kid]

I once got an ECF infraction because I mentioned that someone asked me if my ecig was used for smoking for dope. I even went on to say how things like that give us all a bad name.
The thread was about misconceptions people have about vaping so I felt the comment was entirely appropriate.
Their moderators felt otherwise...

What about if you lived in a country or even in a US state where dope is legal? Would you still not be allowed to discuss it? I mean it's legal in the uk to have sex at 16 and drink at 18. If I were discussing those things online in a community where it's illegal below for example 24yrs old I'd find it a bit draconian.

That's what people have found difficult to equate ..that the offline world and the online world operate differently. They're different worlds. We try too hard to enforce our offline worlds online and I'm not so sure that it can work that way. There's too many other influences and ideas from so many other places online which our own little offline societies never have to interact with 'out there' and thus so far hasn't found a proper way to deal with it in the online world. So they take a hard line in an attempt to establish their own real world rules and ethics in a mixed online community.

 

[ghost62]

What about if you lived in a country or even in a US state where dope is legal? Would you still not be allowed to discuss it? I mean it's legal in the uk to have sex at 16 and drink at 18. If I were discussing those things online in a community where it's illegal below for example 24yrs old I'd find it a bit draconian.

That's what people have found difficult to equate ..that the offline world and the online world operate differently. They're different worlds. We try too hard to enforce our offline worlds online and I'm not so sure that it can work that way. There's too many other influences and ideas from so many other places online which our own little offline societies never have to interact with 'out there' and thus so far hasn't found a proper way to deal with it in the online world. So they take a hard line in an attempt to establish their own real world rules and ethics in a mixed online community.

I could understand them getting bent if I were glorifying drug use or even if I casually mentioned getting high, but that was FAR from the case. I, myself, don't use drugs, gave up drinking several years ago (not being judgemental- just not for me) and was attempting to express how the general public may see US as a result of some people using similar equipment for drugs.
It is, however, fine for them to approve vendors that sell 'dry herb' atomizers on the same page as vaping supplies.

 

[ghost62]

Maybe it's because I'm not a paying advertiser...
Gotta love the convenience of double standards, huh?

 

[KKen]

 

[KKen]

 

[KKen]

After awhile on ECF, you feel surrounded by

 

[Giraut]

I have to say, the Provari fanboi-ism gets tiring pretty quickly on ECF. I mean, Provaris are well built and all, but really as far as features go, they're nothing special at all. In fact, as other manufacturers put out more advanced and better built devices, Provaris are really starting to show their age now.

I feel Provape's sales come mainly from their reputation and brand name rather than on their products' actual merits these days. They'd better put out some exceptionally innovative mod sooner rather than later (and not a slightly upgraded Provari that does VW - everybody and their dog does VW, it's pathetic) if they want to stay in business in the long run.

 

[Whiskey]

Oh good grief, lets not start that up here please

 

[Giraut]

Oh good grief, lets not start that up here please

Are you saying it's not possible to hold a reasonable conversation about a particular brand/model without the thread going Godwin on this here forum? I'd certainly expect better from forum dwellers who pride themselves on their being more mature than ECF.

Anyhow, I'm not dissing Provaris. Hell, I entered VJ's contest to win one They're nice mods, and I even think they're worth the price they sell for, but they don't justify the crazy groupthink, is all. Just like Apple products.

 

[Whiskey]

Are you saying it's not possible to hold a reasonable conversation about a particular brand/model without the thread going Godwin on this here forum? I'd certainly expect better from forum dwellers who pride themselves on their being more mature than ECF.

Anyhow, I'm not dissing Provaris. Hell, I entered VJ's contest to win one They're nice mods, and I even think they're worth the price they sell for, but they don't justify the crazy groupthink, is all. Just like Apple products.

LOL, lets hope so

 

[The Ocelot]

I hate to break it to you, but ECF has a lot of different skins and was experimenting with the red one back in May. If you like it the old way (maybe "like" isn't the right word, since it seem hardly anyone on VU does), click on EC-1 in the box at the bottom on the right.

 

[Thunderball]

I hate to break it to you, but ECF has a lot of different skins and was experimenting with the red one back in May. If you like it the old way (maybe "like" isn't the right word, since it seem hardly anyone on VU does), click on EC-1 in the box at the bottom on the right.

Your up early on a Sunday morning

This forum is fresh and new and I think many have migrated over here to "check it out" and like myself have found it to be a breath of fresh air and have just continued to "stick around" with the rest of the cool kids.

I find it a bit easier to navigate and do like the pop ups as you put your cursor over the names of the threads.

I also like the fact that Joe and the other mods and vendors will chime in on threads that interest him/them and we can all tell is not forced or bullshit.

ECF was probably just feeling like your Granddads Oldsmobile and is just attempting to freshen up its look to make themselves more attractive to both new and old members. But you have to remember the old saying, "you cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear"

I like the camaraderie here at Vaping Underground and also the fact that I don't have to be concerned about what I've said in a post the day before. I also like Joe being at the helm. Even though I rarely go into the ECF forums anymore, I do like the fact that over here, Nobody gives a shit if I do.

Two cents and all....

 

[Hobby Kid]

Are you saying it's not possible to hold a reasonable conversation about a particular brand/model without the thread going Godwin on this here forum? I'd certainly expect better from forum dwellers who pride themselves on their being more mature than ECF.

Anyhow, I'm not dissing Provaris. Hell, I entered VJ's contest to win one They're nice mods, and I even think they're worth the price they sell for, but they don't justify the crazy groupthink, is all. Just like Apple products.

We all entered. It's free. I'd enter a comp for a pair of Uggies if it were free

 

[Spike64]

Are you saying it's not possible to hold a reasonable conversation about a particular brand/model without the thread going Godwin on this here forum? I'd certainly expect better from forum dwellers who pride themselves on their being more mature than ECF.

Anyhow, I'm not dissing Provaris. Hell, I entered VJ's contest to win one They're nice mods, and I even think they're worth the price they sell for, but they don't justify the crazy groupthink, is all. Just like Apple products.

You likely get this reaction because of the way your comments come across....you state your opinions on the subject as being facts that people just know as being how things are. You dont preface them with "in my opinion", or "I think"....people naturally take some level of offense to being lumped into "crazy groupthink" when they clearly disagree and dont see it your way...your wording and approach with what is likely perceived as condescending statements (whether that's your intent or not) doesn't necessarily lend itself to "reasonable conversation".

 

[Hobby Kid]

We'll I think at the end of the day the bottom line is if you think about it fundamentally speaking it's all swings and roundabouts isn't it lol

*Sorry. I couldn't help that

 

[kelli]

We'll I think at the end of the day the bottom line is if you think about it fundamentally speaking it's all swings and roundabouts isn't it lol

*Sorry. I couldn't help that

stop speaking brit!

 

[Hobby Kid]

I will. But stop calling me Brit lol

 

[kelli]

i called your speak brit, not you. but you are.

 

[Hobby Kid]

i called your speak brit, not you. but you are.

Ahh! Well I am. So there!

 

[kelli]

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[Hobby Kid]

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I had to google the lyrics cos all I heard was plurrrrrrr lurrr plurrrrrrr lurrr

 

[kelli]

I had to google the lyrics cos all I heard was plurrrrrrr lurrr plurrrrrrr lurrr

that's cause tom doesn't sing brit.

 

[Thunderball]

Ahh! Well I am. So there!

You kinda look like Elvis Costello.... Sing a few bars of Allison for us and we will be the judge...

 

[Hobby Kid]

You kinda look like Elvis Costello.... Sing a few bars of Allison for us and we will be the judge...

Hah. That's my nickname other than hobby. But you'll have to see all my singing via my youtube channel

 

[Hobby Kid]

that's cause tom doesn't sing brit.

Haha. Pluurrrrrr

 

[Giraut]

[...]You dont preface them with "in my opinion", or "I think"....people naturally take some level of offense to being lumped into "crazy groupthink" when they clearly disagree[...]

Will I get banned for hurting people's feelings you think?

Look, the crazy groupthink exists. That's a fact. I can't count the number of times I've read a question on ECF saying "I'm looking for a box mod that does VW and goes up to 30W" and 10 apologists replying "Just get a Provari." I'm not saying all Provari owners are part of the cult - most of them are reasonable people no doubt, who know they just own a mod like any other mod - but a sizeable portion on ECF is, that use any opportunity to plug Provaris.

Now then, to be fair, I haven't read much of that on VU, which is refreshing.

As for prepending what I write with "I think that...", I don't need to: *obviously* if *I* write it, it's because it's *my* opinion. If you feel offended, well excuse the hell out of me, but you're much too easily offended.

 

[Giraut]

I hate to break it to you, but ECF has a lot of different skins and was experimenting with the red one back in May. If you like it the old way (maybe "like" isn't the right word, since it seem hardly anyone on VU does), click on EC-1 in the box at the bottom on the right.

I don't like ECF no more. Nothing to do with the color, everything to do with the nazi moderators running it.

 

[Giraut]

We all entered. It's free. I'd enter a comp for a pair of Uggies if it were free

Well, I entered because it's a Provari. If VJ had offered an eVic Supreme, I wouldn't've.

 

[Spike64]

Will I get banned for hurting people's feelings you think?

Look, the crazy groupthink exists. That's a fact. I can't count the number of times I've read a question on ECF saying "I'm looking for a box mod that does VW and goes up to 30W" and 10 apologists replying "Just get a Provari." I'm not saying all Provari owners are part of the cult - most of them are reasonable people no doubt, who know they just own a mod like any other mod - but a sizeable portion on ECF is, that use any opportunity to plug Provaris.

Now then, to be fair, I haven't read much of that on VU, which is refreshing.

As for prepending what I write with "I think that...", I don't need to: *obviously* if *I* write it, it's because it's *my* opinion. If you feel offended, well excuse the hell out of me, but you're much too easily offended.

Nah...you wont likely get banned...not here....the worst thing that would possibly happen is that people might get turned off by the way you come across in your manner of posting and instead of engaging in reasonable conversation, they may simply choose to ignore you...being shunned can be far worse than being banned...

From my perspective in looking at the "groupthink " thing, I come away with a bit of a different take on it...seems to me that the folks recommending the Provari are actually a very small group and are heavily outweighed by large numbers of the nearly militant Provari haters that take every opportunity to express their utter contempt for the device and those that like them or recommend them for whatever reason...sound familiar?...that's just crazy in my book that they even care or comment and I just dont get it at all...

No "excuse me" is necessary...at no point was I offended in any way, nor did I convey that I might be...

Have an awesome day!

 

[ghost62]

Are you saying it's not possible to hold a reasonable conversation about a particular brand/model without the thread going Godwin on this here forum? I'd certainly expect better from forum dwellers who pride themselves on their being more mature than ECF.

Anyhow, I'm not dissing Provaris. Hell, I entered VJ's contest to win one They're nice mods, and I even think they're worth the price they sell for, but they don't justify the crazy groupthink, is all. Just like Apple products.

Not to be picky or contentious, but I believe that Godwin's Law didn't come into play until YOU invoked it...
Just sayin'

 

[KKen]

ECF as a forum, with majority of its members was a great place. In my opinion, its the moderators, along with the select number of sheep that follow them is one of the reasons you see more people now voluntarily "moving on."

As for Provari, I personally like the mod, its a great piece of hardware that still remains relevant, regardless of its current limitations. I think its also one of the few USA e-cig manufacturing companies that really runs their business and service well, unlike many others we often hear about.

However, its the ECF fanboy-ism that really became annoying. The Provarinati cliques with the cat or lion pic/references along with how that coupled with an Ibtanked cartomizer was beyond glorious, and everything else is just potato peels for the peasants is basically how I started to perceive it. LOL

 

[The Ocelot]

ECF as a forum, with majority of its members was a great place. In my opinion, its the moderators, along with the select number of sheep that follow them is one of the reasons you see more people now voluntarily "moving on."

As for Provari, I personally like the mod, its a great piece of hardware that still remains relevant, regardless of its current limitations. I think its also one of the few USA e-cig manufacturing companies that really runs their business and service well, unlike many others we often hear about.

However, its the ECF fanboy-ism that really became annoying. The Provarinati cliques with the cat or lion pic/references along with how that coupled with an Ibtanked cartomizer was beyond glorious, and everything else is just potato peels for the peasants is basically how I started to perceive it. LOL

It's not a clique puppy, it's a cult. You need to be accurate in your disparaging remarks.

 

[vape_girl]

Is there any actual content on this forum I can use to better my vaping experience? Or is it just ECF and ProVari bashing? Maybe we should all grow up and support each other?

 

[kelli]

 

[GargoyleK1]

Did someone call the WAHHHHMBULANCE yet??

Looks like some people that like to cry have shown up…



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Is there any actual content on this forum I can use to better my vaping experience? Or is it just ECF and ProVari bashing? Maybe we should all grow up and support each other?

First post…. Full of WHAAAAAAA!!!

 

[Hobby Kid]

Ugh! Once again I'm not getting notifications and missing all the fun

 

[Spike64]

Is there any actual content on this forum I can use to better my vaping experience? Or is it just ECF and ProVari bashing? Maybe we should all grow up and support each other?

Or.....you could go look in other threads on this forum for the vape enhancing content you seek and not worry so much about the activities of others...just sayin'

 

[kelli]

ok gonna be catty here. vape girl should apply for a position as ECF moderator.

oh gosh did i just say that? sorry, vape girl.....joke

 

[Hobby Kid]

ok gonna be catty here. vapor girl should apply for a position as ECF moderator.

oh gosh did i just say that? sorry, vapor girl.....joke

She might not be a girl dear. No info. No engagement. No posts. You do know that forums send people to make fake profiles, right?

 

[kelli]

She might not be a girl dear. No info. No engagement. No posts. You do know that forums send people to make fake profiles, right?

no....naive remember?

oh and vapid too.

 

[KKen]

Perhaps provarinati is a cult on ECF, which I guess would make VU a place where people can come back to reality.

 

[vape_girl]

Whatever. If I was brand new and you douchebags were the first vapers I ever met, I would not have stuck around. Fortunately, I do know some good people in the community. With bans across the country and FDA regs, other forums should be the least of your worries. So call me names if that makes you feel better. I don't have a profile because it is just not worth my time to do so.

 

[KKen]

Is there any actual content on this forum I can use to better my vaping experience? Or is it just ECF and ProVari bashing? Maybe we should all grow up and support each other?

There are lots of great reviews, giveaways, build tutorials, classifieds, new product info/reviews and links to where you can grab the best deals on the net here; what exactly is it you are looking for to better your vape experience?

 

[vape_girl]

Between the 1000s of ads, all I get here is hatred. It's not even worth my time to look for something useful.