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Hey guys, I'm new here and been vaping on a clearomizer the past few months after starting on ecigs. I just got a Dark Horse RDA and a smpl mech mod. This is probably looked down upon, but I ordered some prebuilt coils at 24g. I'd rather have 26 though. I put my build on which isn't the greatest, I fire it up and don't get a lot of smoke and I keep getting burnt taste. I believe it's the coil but I've used about 3 so far. I also tried putting the Cotten through the coils, which was a little tight and put under. So could someone tell me what's wrong and why it's tasting burnt and not a lot of smoke?
http://imgur.com/rGDKtby
http://imgur.com/rGDKtby
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OBDave

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Can't see your photos.

What is the build reading at on your ohm meter?

What kind of batteries are you using?

Hybrid mechs are pretty poor choices for a first mod, but if you've done your research you can still use one safely. I'm tremendously worried that you may not have here...
 

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Coils can overheat if there's not enough juice available. Too tight of wick means not enough room for juice. Try loosening that up. Also wattage you have to be concerned about. First and foremost, you should NEVER use a mech mod without owning an ohmreader of some sort to know what you're actually working with. That will give you the resistance. With that you can find out what you're working with. Amperage = Voltage/resistance, and Amperage*Voltage=Wattage.

http://www.steam-engine.org/coil.asp Is also a great help for estimating your coils (and building your own). If your coils are say 7 wraps you may have a .3Ω coil. On a single battery mech mod you're looking at 12 amp pull and therefor about 45watts of power. With a single wire build that may be enough to scorch your wick, especially if it's tightly packed and there's not much juice readily available for the coil to vaporize. The juice doesn't just vaporize but also cools down the coil, keeping it from getting hot enough to burn the wick.

Basically it's a lot of basic physics. With mech mods it's all about your wire and wick, that's basically all you get to decide (and having safe batteries, important note). Regulated mods are suggested for new users as it introduces another variable to play with making it easier to "make it work" as well as having protection elements built in.

On a regulated mod you can tweak the wattage usually though there are some that you adjust the voltage... then there's temperature control but lets not get into that. So with the wattage controls if you notice it burning you can simply turn the wattage down. 45w being too much you can turn it down to say 20w and try there and move up till you find the sweet spot.

Anyways, felt it was worth giving a quick rundown, but for now try a looser wicking, you should be able to pull the material through your coils pretty easily, if you're stretching the cotton (or whatever) or tweaking the coils while you pull through that's too much material. It should be snug but not enough to resist. That's where I'd start. I'd also HIGHLY suggest investing in a regulated mod. You can grab something like the Eleaf iStick 100w for something like $30, then some batteries and a charger for another $20-40 depending on the charger(not limited to the iStick just a cheap solid option, there are tons and I suggest making a thread in the "regulated mods" section if you're going that route, you'll be inundated with tons of suggestions). It's a big initial investment but it's ohh so worth it considering the safety (who wants to be caught holding a pipe bomb?) and the variable wattage is a very handy tool to help you find a solid vape. Mech mods and especially hybrid mods should really be in the hands of someone who fully understands the physics behind what's going on. I mean no offense, I say it in the spirit of safety, but I fully believe that you should have to be able to write out the physics formulas by memory and be able to produce answers to even purchase a mech mod, much less a hybrid mod which can have addition safety concerns (arcing between the battery and pin).

If you do want to stick with what you got, I suggest doing plenty of research on Ohm's Law, learning those simple formula's I put above, knowing the algebra to tweak and combine them as needed, and looking up "Mooch's Battery information" on google, he's the battery guru and it's well worth reading for the safety of yourself and those around you.

This got pretty long but I hope it made sense (I'm a little tipsy as usually, maybe more so as I have the rest of the week off for my Birthday! :p) if it does I think it has some good points.
 
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Hey guys, I'm new here and been vaping on a clearomizer the past few months after starting on ecigs. I just got a Dark Horse RDA and a smpl mech mod. This is probably looked down upon, but I ordered some prebuilt coils at 24g. I'd rather have 26 though. I put my build on which isn't the greatest, I fire it up and don't get a lot of smoke and I keep getting burnt taste. I believe it's the coil but I've used about 3 so far.
rGDKtby
rGDKtby
N9RULKb
I also tried putting the Cotten through the coils, which was a little tight and put under. So could someone tell me what's wrong and why it's tasting burnt and not a lot of smoke?
Moving from a beginner's clearomizer to an RDA on a mech is not how almost all vapers progress, there is a very steep learning curve ahead of you to move from this to that, burnt hits means that heat is not being evenly distributed across your wick, too much heat, or dry cotton that is not wicked properly, there are just so many factors to consider and a lot of practicing and trial and error to get a good vape out of rebuildables and it gets even worse when using a mech to run it.

Without knowing your exact setup down to the smallest detail and seeing some pictures of it i do not think anyone here can effectively help you.

Provide more information and working pictures to get started ...
 
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Alright, I'll just post link of the pictures directly. Thanks guys. And yeah tbh I thought the mech mod was a little confusing with the whole firing button. I never thought they were so confusing either. They do feel a little unstable for me.
 

Discobob

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Too much cotton and I can't tell if it's going through the coil or not....if it is you need to pull more through the coil. You need space all around the coil for airflow. Also if you want the coil more uniform since you bought pre mades get something round to put through them and then tighten and adjust so they don't get tweaked like in your pic. You'll get it brother and when you do you will love it, you tube, you tube, you tube for coil building tutorials:)
 

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Alright, I'll just post link of the pictures directly. Thanks guys. And yeah tbh I thought the mech mod was a little confusing with the whole firing button. I never thought they were so confusing either. They do feel a little unstable for me.
Man since you got a mech mod and have no idea what you are getting yourself into and all that is of concern to you is having to "press the firing button" to take a hit, then i would STOP IMMEDIATELY, forget about the coil, forget about the dry hit, forget about the no vapor "smoke" production ... ALL THIS IS SECONDARY.

The first thing i would be concerned about is BATTERY SAFETY so that you do not end up BLOWING YOUR FACE OFF TODAY!, learn about Ohm's law, know what battery you are using and if the battery can take it, mech mods are not toys, these are dangerous devices that are only intended for advanced users who know what they are doing, otherwise you could be holding a bomb in your hand!
 

smacksy

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Hey guys, I'm new here and been vaping on a clearomizer the past few months after starting on ecigs. I just got a Dark Horse RDA and a smpl mech mod. This is probably looked down upon, but I ordered some prebuilt coils at 24g. I'd rather have 26 though. I put my build on which isn't the greatest, I fire it up and don't get a lot of smoke and I keep getting burnt taste. I believe it's the coil but I've used about 3 so far. I also tried putting the Cotten through the coils, which was a little tight and put under. So could someone tell me what's wrong and why it's tasting burnt and not a lot of smoke?
http://imgur.com/rGDKtby
http://imgur.com/rGDKtby
http://imgur.com/N9RULKb
Try getting your coils in straighter horizontally and center them in the deck, something like this
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also I would try to get your cotton more uniform, tucking the ends in the deck...hope this helps some

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martnargh

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Ddid he mention what cells he is using or what the build ohms out too? Probably the most important info.
After that, heat the coils and pinch them with tweezers aftet you release switch, to straighten them. Then rewick, with cotton going through, not too tight, not too loose. If its unravling itself at the choke point its too tight. The ends of the cotton can just touch the well/base, you dont need to line the whole well with cotton. Buy a spool of 26g, its not hard and youll feel better about building your own coils.

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OBDave

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I'm just going to leave this here, as I probably should have last night...

http://www.vapingunderground.com/th...-sick-clouds-bro-thread-sticky-edition.78126/

This is my big beginner post for people who've picked up a mech and aren't quite sure what to do with it - please, if you're going to continue using that mod you owe yourself the half hour or so it will take to read the first few posts and click on any of the links you feel you need to. Knowledge is the difference between making that shiny metal tube into a vape device or a pipe bomb...
 

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