I Think I Am SubOhming Wrong

darkangel07760 · Jan 25, 2016

Ok so let me try to explain this as succinctly as possible; I have been vaping since July. Started out with Blu, went to a vape pen, made a giant uninformed leap to a subohm setup... I wasn't ready at all for subohming, so I shelved my Herakles and finally found the Nautilus tank. Very happy with the flavor, and once the snow abates a bit I am going to pick up some Triton Mini coils for my Nautilus, Kabuki, and my Eclipse tank.
Since I have been snowbound for the past couple of days, I have been trying to master the DL and I finally figured it out. I have an Arctic tank with 1.2 coils and my Herakles with .6 coils... I have used my Sigelei at 30w with both tanks (when I use my nautilus or other 1.8 coil tanks I vape at 12w).
Here is my issue: why am I not getting the flavor like I do with my non-subohm tanks? I get lots of clouds, which is fun, but the flavor is very muted. I have been using 3mg Cloud Company Sky in all of my tanks, so that I can compare fairly.
I hope I have given enough information for you guys to help me out... Please feel free to let me know if I omitted anything

I forgot to add: I am getting slightly better flavor with my Herakles.

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stevegmu · Jan 25, 2016

Sub ohm vaping is for clouds not flavor...

darkangel07760 · Jan 25, 2016

stevegmu said:
Sub ohm vaping is for clouds not flavor...

I totally agree. But I swear I have read in a good number of threads that people got great flavor out of their sub tanks.

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stevegmu · Jan 25, 2016

darkangel07760 said:
I totally agree. But I swear I have read in a good number of threads that people got great flavor out of their sub tanks.

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Perhaps they are using cheap e-liquid and need a lot of volume of vapor to get any flavor...

Pancho_Brown · Jan 25, 2016

darkangel07760 said:
I totally agree. But I swear I have read in a good number of threads that people got great flavor out of their sub tanks.

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They're typically using them at a higher wattage. Try cutting some of the airflow from your tanks and see if that helps

smacksy · Jan 25, 2016

darkangel07760 said:
I totally agree. But I swear I have read in a good number of threads that people got great flavor out of their sub tanks.

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Your absolutely right! I get thick clouds and great flavor from both the Crown and TFV4 subtanks

I like the .25 Crown at about 62-65w..sweet spot for the TFV4 is 75-80w using the supplied triple coil...both are great subtanks.... juice hogs though, lol

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darkangel07760 · Jan 25, 2016

I have a 75w sigelei, how high can the wattage be with a .6 coil in my Herakles without burning the coil?

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always9988 · Jan 25, 2016

darkangel07760 said:
Ok so let me try to explain this as succinctly as possible; I have been vaping since July. Started out with Blu, went to a vape pen, made a giant uninformed leap to a subohm setup... I wasn't ready at all for subohming, so I shelved my Herakles and finally found the Nautilus tank. Very happy with the flavor, and once the snow abates a bit I am going to pick up some Triton Mini coils for my Nautilus, Kabuki, and my Eclipse tank.
Since I have been snowbound for the past couple of days, I have been trying to master the DL and I finally figured it out. I have an Arctic tank with 1.2 coils and my Herakles with .6 coils... I have used my Sigelei at 30w with both tanks (when I use my nautilus or other 1.8 coil tanks I vape at 12w).
Here is my issue: why am I not getting the flavor like I do with my non-subohm tanks? I get lots of clouds, which is fun, but the flavor is very muted. I have been using 3mg Cloud Company Sky in all of my tanks, so that I can compare fairly.
I hope I have given enough information for you guys to help me out... Please feel free to let me know if I omitted anything
I forgot to add: I am getting slightly better flavor with my Herakles.

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The herakles works best between 45-60w. It has amazing flavor capabilities, one of the best out there and I've tried ALOT of different gear. The mod makes a difference, and the stock drip tip on the herakles didn't hit as well for me (if you're using the original, the plus has airflow holes in the tip). Try it with a wide bore tip like crispy caps slammed 510 and try it at the higher wattages of your mod can handle it safely. It will make a huge difference.

On the downside of this is I now am not satisfied with any of my other tanks or below that wattage point lol

darkangel07760 · Jan 25, 2016

always9988 said:
The herakles works best between 45-60w. It has amazing flavor capabilities, one of the best out there and I've tried ALOT of different gear. The mod makes a difference, and the stock drip tip on the herakles didn't hit as well for me (if you're using the original, the plus has airflow holes in the tip). Try it with a wide bore tip like crispy caps slammed 510 and try it at the higher wattages of your mod can handle it safely. It will make a huge difference.

On the downside of this is I now am not satisfied with any of my other tanks or below that wattage point lol

Thank you for the tip. I am going to try that!

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smacksy · Jan 25, 2016

darkangel07760 said:
I have a 75w sigelei, how high can the wattage be with a .6 coil in my Herakles without burning the coil?

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Can't say..Google Herkales coils and read what the recommended wattages are...I never used the Herkales, sorry can't help more..

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darkangel07760 · Jan 25, 2016

Break-19 said:
Can't say..Google Herkales coils and read what the recommended wattages are...I never used the Herkales, sorry can't help more..

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SMH I should have thoight of that...

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MarkS · Jan 25, 2016

For me, it is dependent on juice, air flow (which includes your draw), and power regardless of what tank you are using. Once you find the "sweet spot" try to remember it to reproduce your desired results consistently.

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always9988 · Jan 25, 2016

darkangel07760 said:
Thank you for the tip. I am going to try that!

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Oh and make sure you are using the .6 kanthal coil and not the nickel, that's a whole nother ball game

darkangel07760 · Jan 25, 2016

always9988 said:
Oh and make sure you are using the .6 kanthal coil and not the nickel, that's a whole nother ball game

I am not sure which one I am using, what is the standard one that is offered for it? And how does it change that?

smacksy · Jan 25, 2016

darkangel07760 said:
I am not sure which one I am using, what is the standard one that is offered for it? And how does it change that?

Ni200 coils are used with Temp control mode..next time you refill your tank see if your can read the resistance stamped on the coil head..then you'll know what coil your using.

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MarkS · Jan 25, 2016

Kanthal is very stable in resistance (only minute resistance change with temperature as the coil heats up). Nickel readily and consistently changes resistance with temperature. You can look up Temperature Coefficient of Resistance (TCR). So, with Nickel (Ni200) you may fire it at say 0.3 ohms and by the end of the firing it may be at 0.5 ohms. That consistant change in resistance is what makes Temperature Controlled vaping possible. If you are running in wattage mode you don't want your coil resistance to change.

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always9988 · Jan 25, 2016

darkangel07760 said:
I am not sure which one I am using, what is the standard one that is offered for it? And how does it change that?

It generally comes with one of each, but as said above should be stamped on the side .6 or .2

darkangel07760 · Jan 25, 2016

always9988 said:
It generally comes with one of each, but as said above should be stamped on the side .6 or .2

I am using .6

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AmandaD · Jan 25, 2016

Coming in a little late, but I subohm with dl hits, and I vape purely for flavor - the clouds are just a by product of my equipment. As others have said, you do have to check the range of your coils and be somewhere in there for best flavor. As an example, my favorite tank is the Crown with 0.25 coils, and while the range is (I think) 50-120) I stay between 60-75 for best flavor me me (and I DIY my juice). On the flip side, I get very weak flavor from the 1.2 ohm coils using the recommended range, which maxes out at 40 watts.

smacksy · Jan 25, 2016

darkangel07760 said:
I am using .6

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After a quick Google search the .6 is rated 50-100w..

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raymo2u · Jan 25, 2016

How can you people say that Subohming is for clouds not flavor?? I couldnt even think of getting a decent mouthful of tasty vapor with anything over .3 ....

MarkS · Jan 25, 2016

I have vaped all different ohms of Kanthal (2.1, 1.8, 1.6, 0.7, 0.5, and 0.3 Ohms) in all kinds of atomizers. Currently I'm vaping an Atlantis 2 0.3 Ohm coil at 40 Watts with the Air Flow Control (AFC) at about 1/2. Thick rich flavorful vapor. My e-juice is DIY Apple Pie Ala Mode (TFA Apple Pie and TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream) 20/80 PG/VG 3 mg Nicotine. Like I said in my previous post, you have to dial it in. I would suggest you start around 30 Watts with the AFC about half closed. Work your way up in wattage incrementally. If the vape gets too warm for your liking open the AFC a little more and keep going.

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darkangel07760 · Jan 25, 2016

I can tell you right now that my Arctic is not nearly as flavorful as my Herakles! Might have to shelve the Arctic for a bit longer.

raymo2u · Jan 26, 2016

Id like to see a Subohm Tank or Evod/Ego give the same flavor as my Griffin with one of my builds in it...
3x26K/36N80 Alien 5 Wrap/3mm ID (.14 Ohms @ 105w)

always9988 · Jan 26, 2016

raymo2u said:
Id like to see a Subohm Tank or Evod/Ego give the same flavor as my Griffin with one of my builds in it...
3x26K/36N80 Alien 5 Wrap/3mm ID (.14 Ohms @ 105w)
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Not everyone has the time or desire to spend hours building a coil, and then dripping doesn't work for everyone. Sub ohm tanks fill in that need for the rest of us and you'd be surprised by the flavor some of them produce.

Now sharing that didn't help someone who is new to sub ohm and asking about tanks. Should probably share it in the wire porn threads or something

AmandaD · Jan 26, 2016

always9988 said:
Not everyone has the time or desire to spend hours building a coil, and then dripping doesn't work for everyone. Sub ohm tanks fill in that need for the rest of us and you'd be surprised by the flavor some of them produce.

Now sharing that didn't help someone who is new to sub ohm and asking about tanks. Should probably share it in the wire porn threads or something

I'm fairly sure that post was in response to the one that stated subohming was for clouds not flavor

I only just noticed that you joined here - nice to see you on the dark side LOL

always9988 · Jan 26, 2016

AmandaD said:
I'm fairly sure that post was in response to the one that stated subohming was for clouds not flavor

I only just noticed that you joined here - nice to see you on the dark side LOL

Lol my bad. And yeah found far more useful stuff here and some old friends from nu-vapor.

raymo2u · Jan 26, 2016

always9988 said:
Not everyone has the time or desire to spend hours building a coil, and then dripping doesn't work for everyone. Sub ohm tanks fill in that need for the rest of us and you'd be surprised by the flavor some of them produce.

Now sharing that didn't help someone who is new to sub ohm and asking about tanks. Should probably share it in the wire porn threads or something

It was a response to "Subohm doesnt provide flavor just clouds" if you even bothered to read the quote or post...

Edit: I see Amanda got you to understand...

always9988 · Jan 26, 2016

raymo2u said:
It was a response to "Subohm doesnt provide flavor just clouds" if you even bothered to read the quote or post...

Edit: I see Amanda got you to understand...

It was a simple misunderstanding, text doesn't always translate as well as spoken word. Again I apologize I misunderstood

Whiskey · Jan 26, 2016

Moved to subtank area

decisively_unsure · Jan 26, 2016

Simply it is because the Nautilus and other "plus Ohm" tanks easily compete with Sub Ohm tanks for flavour. Generally too, a tighter draw = better taste.

Mattp169 · Jan 26, 2016

@darkangel07760 the important thing is to find what you like.
EVERY TANK/atomizer/etc is different from the other. Some are similar. It doesnt matter what the ohm of the coil is. There are more factors. Such as coil placement(vertical/horizontal

single or dual coil, size of chimney both length and diameter,wicking material,ID of the coil and some more stuff
Also there is no WRONG WAY, theres only what works for you. What other people do is just a guide.

For example break19 uses his crown with a.25 coil at 62ishw i believe.
I use the crown with the ,5 coil at 55w
I can tell you its a slightly difference experience between what I do and what he does.
But what he does works for him but not me and what I do works for me and not him...neither are wrong.

TO explore a tank and decide if its for you
you should
try all the different ohm coils for it.
try them at a wide range of watts
try them with every opening of the AFC
and try it all those ways with a couple different juices.

But it is a journey and sometimes expensive

what I do is read what people who have similar experiencs to me do.
if theres something new and a person who feels the samish way about something else like me, then I can use their opinion to decide if this new thing would serve any purpose for me.

Ive moved away from tanks with prebuilt coils
I got a crius tank and you can only build coils for it. I want more stuff like that. Most people say the griffin is better. And its people who agreed that the crius was good. So the griffin is now on my wish list. while some of those same people agree teh mutank is great while others say the ggriifin is better. so the mutank is on my radar but not a likely buy.

YOU personally have to experiment.

STart at low wattages
15w or whatever
and turn it up slowly
read reviews and threads and watch youtube video of the tanks you have to get IDEAS only of what others are doing.

Dont worry about burning out the coil
if you start low and turn up the wattage a couple watts at a time. youll get this massive hot vape Before you burn the coil or wicking material NORMALLY.

Just experiment and have fun

darkangel07760 · Jan 26, 2016

I am going to stick with my Herakles and play around with it for awhile. Luckily I have one mod that is powerful enough to sub ohm with!

MrMeowgi · Feb 25, 2016

raymo2u said:
Id like to see a Subohm Tank or Evod/Ego give the same flavor as my Griffin with one of my builds in it...
3x26K/36N80 Alien 5 Wrap/3mm ID (.14 Ohms @ 105w)
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Glad to see that nice build in a Griffin. Got one on the way and wondered how big the post holes are

raymo2u · Feb 25, 2016

Wtmke1 said:
Glad to see that nice build in a Griffin. Got one on the way and wondered how big the post holes are

2.4mm, big enough for 3 core 24g/36g Fused Claptons...
In my other Griffin I have some Alien Framed Staples in it and they fit with room to spare, so no worries on wire thickness.
8ply .5x1 Ribbon Cores/26g Frames/38g Alien Out Wrap.

Others have done some big builds in it also...

If you can fit it in a Velocity then it will fit in the Griffin...

skizzums · Feb 26, 2016

I agree that great flavor is not only possible, but the norm when sub ohming. It's takes a good combination of sub-ohm juice, good coils (i get best flavor from about .25-.30 ohms), proper wicking(which can be the biggest factor) and moderate wattage 50-75 depending on your combination. I was very happy with the Zephyrous V2 on a TC mod running dual nickel at 390℉, as many wraps that would fit at a spaced 2.5 ID using 28ga. I thought I found the end all, obese wrong. Mutank......if you don't have the tank by "Indulgence", your truly missing out. 0.3ohm running 316L SS with its massive channels at around 330℉ TC, warm sweet flavor and clouds, at least with my fruits, with air wide open. This is king right now, but I almost enjoy my NeBox using the RBA plus as much, I run micro wrapped pure nickel (28ga) with 18 wraps and fold the coil over itself to fit, this has huge surface area and tastes amazing from ,330-380℉ @ 55watts running at .8. Has a slight delay and then blasts a warm , uh "load" that is a flavor masterpiece. If you have a TC mod that's capable of 60-75watts at least and know how to build a coil, I personally get tons more flavor than any + ohm build of my past. And note that the newer TC mods that run SS really bring out the taste, try some claptons if you can. Takes experimenting and most importantly, good juice, which is a constant battle.

raymo2u · Feb 26, 2016

If you like the Mu Tank and thinks its great then you should get the Griffin and/or Diablo RTA's...Bigger Coils, Easier Wicking...
Griffin vs Mu Tank RTA (Biggest Fitting Coil on the MUTank and a Normal sized Griffin Build, trust me they can get much bigger then that...)

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