It's starting already.

[The Cromwell]

Oh no I don't. This ain't kunttucky.

Yeah I know KY is a red state.

 

[Time]

To further expand, currently that is the way the law is in my State.

"But" that could easily change

They can pass a law making it illegal to fart in public. Enforcing it would be dubious at best.

 

[The Cromwell]

outta here.

 

[Time]

Yeah I know KY is a red state.

So?

https://www.freedominthe50states.org/

Idaho is also a "red" state, listed at #7 for personal and economic freedom.

KY is ranked #41.

 

[Rin Vapes]

Anyone else stingy with their juice or am I the only D.I.Y. E-juice Scrooge here. LoL
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I make juice for a select number of people. I think it's rude of him to expect you to do it.

 

[brandon555]

I don't make juice for other people. Period.

Getting caught would cost more than what you'll ever make. IF they want it that bad, make YOUR own.

You'd have to be pretty dumb to get caught selling e-juice to a few friends or family members. It's not like you're putting up a billboard or advertising on the radio.

 

[RonJS]

Which comes full circle to my point about if I hand-rolled a cigarette for my friend and gave it to him. Manufacturing.

Mebbe #17 and #20 here....

http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/RulesRegulationsGuidance/ucm261878.htm#dist

...will help you out a bit?

To the many VU members who reside in the Midway Islands, Kingman Reef, Johnston Atoll, the Northern Mariana Islands; please note these regulations apply to you too!

Ron
---
'Crazy' is a term of art; 'Insane' is a term of law. Remember that, and you will save yourself a lot of trouble."- Hunter S. Thompson

 

[BKTOAD]

Mebbe #17 and #20 here....

http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/RulesRegulationsGuidance/ucm261878.htm#dist

...will help you out a bit?

To the many VU members who reside in the Midway Islands, Kingman Reef, Johnston Atoll, the Northern Mariana Islands; please note these regulations apply to you too!

Ron
---
'Crazy' is a term of art; 'Insane' is a term of law. Remember that, and you will save yourself a lot of trouble."- Hunter S. Thompson

This is actually helpful. Much more helpful than those who could not provide any meaningful literature that backs up their claims.

Also read #7 which makes someone who bums out a cigarette as defying the deeming regs.

I have read the deeming regs a quite a bit. I feel it is still gray in areas, likely by design, to allow them to regulate on the fly.

But, @freemind mentioned that he would not make juice for others because it was illegal with repercussions. According to the link you posted, simply making your own diy without going through the procedures set forth is just as illegal. Seems diy juice is illegal in and of itself, without jumping through the hoops. As well as making coils at all. Since making coils is manufacturing as well.

So, should this site even have a diy section since it seems to be in opposition to the law? Or require a fda registration credential to view the diy forum?

I do have a correspondence started with the FDA just to clairify. Will report back with my findings.

 

[CJ-3]

Ohh yes you do.
he just has to lie and say that he did it.
And most areas require that you get a plumbing permit which says the owner or a licensed professional did the work.

Here in Illinois that is 100% correct. It's written in our Plumbing Code that the only unlicensed person able to do plumbing is the homeowner himself/herself.

 

[CJ-3]

Juice made to order is technically prohibited now as each new product requires an application.
The registration of all the SKU's was extended to June I think is the new date.

I'm sorry, my choice of words was incorrect. The company I was referring to, That 1 Vape, does have their flavors registered and just went through a huge pain of having to redo their website so that the flavors which were not registered are no longer for sale.
When I said their items are made to order I should have stated their flavor selections are on their site and they mix them when ordered to insure freshness.
I apologize for the confusion, and hopefully no harm done?

 

[AndriaD]

This is actually helpful. Much more helpful than those who could not provide any meaningful literature that backs up their claims.

Also read #7 which makes someone who bums out a cigarette as defying the deeming regs.

I have read the deeming regs a quite a bit. I feel it is still gray in areas, likely by design, to allow them to regulate on the fly.

But, @freemind mentioned that he would not make juice for others because it was illegal with repercussions. According to the link you posted, simply making your own diy without going through the procedures set forth is just as illegal. Seems diy juice is illegal in and of itself, without jumping through the hoops. As well as making coils at all. Since making coils is manufacturing as well.

So, should this site even have a diy section since it seems to be in opposition to the law? Or require a fda registration credential to view the diy forum?

I do have a correspondence started with the FDA just to clairify. Will report back with my findings.

They can say it's "illegal" if they like; *I* say they can kiss my ass. Just because gov't SAYS something doesn't make it true, or RIGHT. They can blow it right out their collective ass. I'll keep vaping and making my own ejuice and coils; they can go to the devil... which they will anyway; I urge them to slit their throats NOW and stop pestering us.

Andria

 

[JuicyLucy]

This is actually helpful. Much more helpful than those who could not provide any meaningful literature that backs up their claims.

Also read #7 which makes someone who bums out a cigarette as defying the deeming regs.

I have read the deeming regs a quite a bit. I feel it is still gray in areas, likely by design, to allow them to regulate on the fly.

But, @freemind mentioned that he would not make juice for others because it was illegal with repercussions. According to the link you posted, simply making your own diy without going through the procedures set forth is just as illegal. Seems diy juice is illegal in and of itself, without jumping through the hoops. As well as making coils at all. Since making coils is manufacturing as well.

So, should this site even have a diy section since it seems to be in opposition to the law? Or require a fda registration credential to view the diy forum?

I do have a correspondence started with the FDA just to clairify. Will report back with my findings.

Nope - it conflicts with the First Amendment - we can talk about anything we like - as long as the owner of the site (VaperJoe) agrees.

 

[BKTOAD]

Nope - it conflicts with the First Amendment - we can talk about anything we like - as long as the owner of the site (VaperJoe) agrees.

My point was that we are all admitting to breaking the law. On a public forum.

 

[JuicyLucy]

My point was that we are all admitting to breaking the law. On a public forum.

There are public forums on all manner of illegal activities - it's not illegal to talk about illegal stuff, might be dumb to do it, but it's not illegal

 

[akuser47]

So are you all willing to make me your favorite juice recipes or not? I'm waiting I mean come on I need juice you all have all this energy lol. I like sweet juice make me some.

 

[akuser47]

I am being sarcastic lol I love it here already. also juicy lucy how do I get that ecg forum refugee tag?

 

[JuicyLucy]

So are you all willing to make me your favorite juice recipes or not? I'm waiting I mean come on I need juice you all have all this energy lol. I like sweet juice make me some.

Maybe if you start paying my bills and cooking me dinner

 

[RonJS]

My point was that we are all admitting to breaking the law. On a public forum.

When you say "we", does that include the many VU folks that reside in places like Canada? or the UK? or perhaps The Conch Republic?

Ron
---
"Milk is for babies. When you grow up you have to drink beer."- Arnold Schwarzenegger

 

[BKTOAD]

When you say "we", does that include the many VU folks that reside in places like Canada? or the UK? or perhaps The Conch Republic?

Ron
---
"Milk is for babies. When you grow up you have to drink beer."- Arnold Schwarzenegger

My sincerest apoligies to the Conchans. Forgot the internet didn't only exist in the USA for a moment there.

 

[akuser47]

JUICY you know you can spare some just give it up lol. I love it here you all are great keep it up. Stay vapey

 

[AndriaD]

I am being sarcastic lol I love it here already. also juicy lucy how do I get that ecg forum refugee tag?

Go here, and ask @TygerTyger for it: http://vapingunderground.com/thread...-our-ecf-refugees.218864/page-13#post-1536857

Andria

 

[The Vape Crusader]

At work Friday an associate ask to try my device as they're interested in trying vaping again. So I handed my eVic mini to him. He hit it and said wow if I start again I want you to make my jiuce. That's 3 people now that like my sweetened green apple ejuice. I'm not sure I want to mix for other people I'm doing it for me. I told him I'd show him how to make it. I wasn't interested in making alot of juice. He acted like I was being rude. To me this is like a friend eating dinner with you then saying hey make me that steak 2 times a week. Anyone else stingy with their juice or am I the only D.I.Y. E-juice Scrooge here. LoL
He doesn't understand I make my own coils on my toptank mini with its rba plus head, .56 ohm micro coil. I told him this is not store bought. I tried to explain but he was upset. So not sure what to say anyone else have these issues.

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I charge all my friends $4 a 30mL bottle, or $6 for a 60mL. That's way better than they'll ever get in a shop, significantly better than anything they'd get online, and I make my stuff for about $1.75 a bottle. Not trying to make a killing, just want to be paid for my time and energy, and supplies. None of my friends has an issue with it.

 

[AndriaD]

I charge all my friends $4 a 30mL bottle, or $6 for a 60mL. That's way better than they'll ever get in a shop, significantly better than anything they'd get online, and I make my stuff for about $1.75 a bottle. Not trying to make a killing, just want to be paid for my time and energy, and supplies. None of my friends has an issue with it.

You're more generous than I am. I'll sell some of what I make for myself, if asked, for 25 cents per ml -- which is about half what you'd pay online. I don't do special orders, I ain't a store -- if someone wants some of my strawberry & cream that I make for myself, 86% PG, it's 25 cents per ml. Otherwise, they can go buy their juice online or in a store, or make their own; not my problem. But selling some of what I make for myself is the only way I can be sure that they're getting a good product -- if I sold something that I don't vape, I wouldn't be sure it was any good at all.

Andria

 

[The Vape Crusader]

You're more generous than I am. I'll sell some of what I make for myself, if asked, for 25 cents per ml -- which is about half what you'd pay online. I don't do special orders, I ain't a store -- if someone wants some of my strawberry & cream that I make for myself, 86% PG, it's 25 cents per ml. Otherwise, they can go buy their juice online or in a store, or make their own; not my problem. But selling some of what I make for myself is the only way I can be sure that they're getting a good product -- if I sold something that I don't vape, I wouldn't be sure it was any good at all.

Andria

Well, as the handle implies, I'm on a never-ending quest to get my friends and employees to stop smoking, or at least reduce. So I go on the trading post to find inexpensive equipment to resell to them for whatever I paid... and since juice is quite expensive at the local smoke shop (wherever you go), I want to make sure they're covered there too. Most of them come from quite humble beginnings... former foster kids, broken families, child abuse, etc.

The least I could do is save them as much money as possible by curbing their cig habit ($8-$10 a pack here in CT), and giving them a cheap and fun alternative.

 

[AndriaD]

Well, as the handle implies, I'm on a never-ending quest to get my friends and employees to stop smoking, or at least reduce. So I go on the trading post to find inexpensive equipment to resell to them for whatever I paid... and since juice is quite expensive at the local smoke shop (wherever you go), I want to make sure they're covered there too. Most of them come from quite humble beginnings... former foster kids, broken families, child abuse, etc.

The least I could do is save them as much money as possible by curbing their cig habit ($8-$10 a pack here in CT), and giving them a cheap and fun alternative.

Yikes, they're still less than $6/pk here in GA. Which is probably one reason why GA is fairly pro-vaping -- they haven't been in the habit of extorting smokers quite so dreadfully, haven't sold ANY "MSA bonds," and there are still a lot of smokers in GA... no doubt, some are friends and family of our lawmakers; some may even BE our lawmakers! So there's only been a LITTLE vape-hate down here.

Andria

 

[akuser47]

Thanks I posted there.

 

[The Vape Crusader]

Yikes, they're still less than $6/pk here in GA. Which is probably one reason why GA is fairly pro-vaping -- they haven't been in the habit of extorting smokers quite so dreadfully, haven't sold ANY "MSA bonds," and there are still a lot of smokers in GA... no doubt, some are friends and family of our lawmakers; some may even BE our lawmakers! So there's only been a LITTLE vape-hate down here.

Andria

Yeah, the tobacco states tend not to charge a lot, The North Atlantic and New England do. New Hampshire is an exception... $5-6 there.

 

[brandon555]

The only time I ever miss smoking is when we drive to Florida each year, lol... Last year I stopped at a few gas stations in Tennessee and cartons of Marb reds were under 50 bucks. For 50 bucks here in WI i think you'd be lucky to buy a carton of Liggets.

 

[RonJS]

Yeah, the tobacco states tend not to charge a lot, The North Atlantic and New England do. New Hampshire is an exception... $5-6 there.

The average price for a pack of cigs. in the city of Chicago is $12
Buy a pack of stinkies in Chicago and the tax ALONE is at least $7.17

Chicago $1.18
Crook County $3.00
IL State $1.98
Federal $1.01
(2015 numbers)

I suggest anyone coming to Chicagostan bring plenty of their own juice. (Vape tax there can be $18-20 for one 30ml bottle)

Ron
---
"I was asked to come to Chicago because Chicago is one of our fifty-two states."- Raquel Welch

 

[AndriaD]

Yeah, the tobacco states tend not to charge a lot, The North Atlantic and New England do. New Hampshire is an exception... $5-6 there.

GA isn't a tobacco state... just a sane one.

Andria

 

[MD_Boater]

My point was that we are all admitting to breaking the law. On a public forum.

In court, the defense would be that you were just bragging to like minded folks, and never actually did it. They would actually need proof that it happened to convict you in court.

I can say that I robbed 100 banks. Barring any evidence, there would be zero chance that I would get convicted.

 

[freemind]

In court, the defense would be that you were just bragging to like minded folks, and never actually did it. They would actually need proof that it happened to convict you in court.

I can say that I robbed 100 banks. Barring any evidence, there would be zero chance that I would get convicted.

In all honesty, I wouldn't be so sure of yourself. If you paid attention, you would see that people get convicted of shit all the time, with zero evidence. They get a conviction on nothing more than an accusation.

 

[bobnat]

GA isn't a tobacco state... just a sane one.

Andria

Really? So how do you explain my wife and her entire family?

 

[MD_Boater]

In all honesty, I wouldn't be so sure of yourself. If you paid attention, you would see that people get convicted of shit all the time, with zero evidence. They get a conviction on nothing more than an accusation.

But to quote Arnold in True Lies... "They were all bad people....". I'm squeaky clean... No chance in hell on a first visit to the courthouse. At most, I'd get a PBJ. My lawyer is fantastic.

 

[AndriaD]

Really? So how do you explain my wife and her entire family?

If they're from GA... my guess would be, religion. Lots of that particular insanity down here.

Andria

 

[bobnat]

If they're from GA... my guess would be, religion. Lots of that particular insanity down here.

Andria

Bingo...and DNA.

 

[freemind]

I do have a correspondence started with the FDA just to clairify. Will report back with my findings.

Well? Did your findings tell you what I already did?

I've honestly got to say, I find it funny when someone throws a hissy fit when they don't get their way. The info is out there, you just have to look like everyone else has to. You are not "entitled" to my time to spoon feed you the laws.

 

[AndriaD]

You are not "entitled" to my time to spoon feed you

This is how I feel everytime somone asks me for my proof that nicotine is not really addictive, especially for never-smokers. Go look it up and read it for yourself, I'm not fucking google! Being ignorant of everything except what the powers-that-be are shovelling is just pitiful.

Andria