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Chrispdx

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i am going to post my pics in shame. I think I did something wrong because there is no to little flavor. This is hic's recipie for strawberry cotton candy. It did call for 2% each of joy and FA strawberry. Based on general discussions I went to 4%. Mixed 15 ml with 3mg nic. 70vg30pg. Used and Atlantis 2 tank with a 0.5 coil. I basically had little to no flavor. I really think I did something wrong with the calculator. I mixed by weight but with the nic I did by volumn while by weight to double check. I let it sit for 4 days and shook it twice a day (morning and night).


Here are my pics. There is probably a noob mistake in there. I hope. I bet the flavor weight part is off.
 

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I think your good to go with those #'s. I use 1.25 VG- 1.04 PG-1 Flavor. I haven't researched Nic in PG
#'s. I use Nic in VG.
 

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To be honest, that's probably not one of my favorite recipes. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad by any stretch, but It's not something you should expect to get a "flavor explosion" from. Now at 8% flavoring I would think you should be at least able to taste it, but we are all different. Maybe going up that much over flavored and muted it? Not sure. Have you tried any other recipes?
 

Chrispdx

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I did try hic's orange tic tac. Same result. Low to no flavor. Yesterday I did take the straw/joy close to 8%. Some of the flavor was there but still seems muted. I will be trying a personal recipie later that has a much higher percentage of flavoring (cherry \ whip).


I really was thinking it was the calculator for the flavor. Maybe having the check box marked for "zero". Which resulted in like putting in half of the required flavoring. So even bumping it by a double for us non super flavor chasers gave me a lowered flavor anyways.
 

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Unless you're using VG based flavorings, your flavors are 100% PG, but that still shouldn't give you a low-flavor recipe if you used the amounts that are calculated. I'm leaning towards one of your bases as the possible culprit. What brands of PG and VG are you using?
 

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Unless you're using VG based flavorings, your flavors are 100% PG, but that still shouldn't give you a low-flavor recipe if you used the amounts that are calculated. I'm leaning towards one of your bases as the possible culprit. What brands of PG and VG are you using?
I purchased everything for ecigexpress. Separate bottles of pg / vg/ and 100mg nic in vg. All flavors are flavor art.
 

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Then I'm certainly curious as to why you're not tasting anything, ECX has good product, especially nicotine.
How long have you been smoke free?
 

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I have been smoke free for a few months. I was able to taste ejuice just fine while smoking the cigs at the same time. But it could be something that i need a sweetener.

Right now I am heat steeping the orange tic tac and the cherry whip so see if it is a mixing issue. I know I didn't put too much nic since I am neither sick or having a nic fit.

If it doesn't work. I'll probably make another 15 ml bottle without nic. I was really just thinking the calculator messed up with marking the "zero box" next to the flavors.
 

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But you're still putting the right amounts of flavors in there. Are you shaking your flavor bottles before using them?
 

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I let them sit for 4 days. Shook 2 times per day. Then prior to putting some in the tank did another shake. In the bottle there were little air bubles present. I'm pretty much at the bottom of the primary 15 ml bottle and there wasn't a flavor explosition at the start or end (5mls left in the bottle...going to toss it in an empty tank after the heat steep).
 

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But do you shake your flavorings before you mix? Some of them "settle" or separate and need shaken before use.
 

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He always low balls the percentages try upping them both... I have never used one of his recipes that did not need an increase including FA Tiramisu

Wow, really? I can understand most flavors but that Tiramisu is a doozy. I overdid it once by measuring incorrectly and it was such a bad experience that I almost just trashed the Tiramisu...never to try it again. I guess you could say that Tiramisu was almost my "tequila" of DIY...LOL Glad I went back to it though because when it's used correctly, it's some really good stuff :)

Edit: Oh! That gives me an idea. If the OP has the flavors, maybe try something like HIC's Tiramisu Cream. If you can't taste that...THEEEEEEN there would be a big problem..LOL
 

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Wow, really? I can understand most flavors but that Tiramisu is a doozy. I overdid it once by measuring incorrectly and it was such a bad experience that I almost just trashed the Tiramisu...never to try it again. I guess you could say that Tiramisu was almost my "tequila" of DIY...LOL Glad I went back to it though because when it's used correctly, it's some really good stuff :)

Edit: Oh! That gives me an idea. If the OP has the flavors, maybe try something like HIC's Tiramisu Cream. If you can't taste that...THEEEEEEN there would be a big problem..LOL
Well see I have a different outlook then most I like to basically taste the grinds of the coffee Tiramisu is my weakness ok 3% is good but not .00005% or whatever haha
 

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So have made acouple more test batches without the nic. I will try them out in the morning. Fingers crossed. I have also tried to heat steep the liquid. That didn't help. I also tried out the adjusted version of orange tic tack and could only identify the peppermint. I have also put my store bought juice (a light custard) and capes with flavor so it's not the mod or coil. I also picked up medical syringes and double check weights to ml and those appeared to be good on the scale. The only out of wack thing was in a 5ml mix it would call for 8 drops to hit the weight I had to hit 10-12.


Can any suggest a two ingredient mix that is for sure a shake and vape. All my flavors are from FA. All in concentrate form. I do have vanilla caramel custard cream cherry strawberry orange tangerine Cocoa peppermint whiskey Ry4 and a few other fruit flavors and other assortments.
 

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So i mixed a handful for the Hic's Strawberry cotton candy without nic will low results. I'll list all the elements and a few other mixes I tried.

70vg/30pg 4% Strawberry & 4% Joy. Upon vape I can smell a touch of cotton candy via my nose but upon inhale'n'exhale low to little flavor.
50vg/50pg 4% Strawberry & 4% Joy. Upon vape I can smell a touch of cotton candy via my nose but upon inhale'n'exhale low to little flavor. There was more flaver than the 70/30 and about the same at the 8% mix. I would say slight flavor increase.
60vg/40pg 8% Strawberry & 8% Joy. Upon vape I can smell a touch of cotton candy via my nose but upon inhale'n'exhale low to little flavor. There was more flaver than the 70/30 and about the same at the 8% mix. I would say slight flavor increase.

Ry4/Carmel Vanilla. All FA flavors. 70vg/30pg. 3mg nic. Carmel 4%, Ry4 6%, Vanilla 4%. Ry4 taste was the highest taste profile. I could taste the caramel but the profile was low. The overall flavor was still low but at least higher than the StrawCotCandy. I would lower the Ry4. However, there was still wasn't what a call "flavor explosion" like I get with store bought ejuice.

Hic EggNog 70vg/30pg. 3mg nic 4.5% Vienna Cream & Carmel 1.875% Smelling the liquid it is almost like eggnog. The flavor was low or muted. As a noob I would say do something crazy like triple the percents...but I don't think I am supposed to do that.

Hics Pot'o gold whiskey. Whiskey 1.5%, Carmel 1.5%, Cocoa 1%, Butter Scotch 0.75%, Custard 0.75%, 3mg nic. The whiskey was upfront, I am sure it would mellow. The remaining flavors were mellow. Just like with everything else there was not a flavor explosion, just low like I should double or quadruple the flavors. But again, I don't think I should do that.

All the juices I vaped in an Atlantis 2 tank. 0.5 coil. Fresh Battery. Good coil (used a store bought custard before and after and tasted excellent). I tried heat stepping my first bottles...which didn't work...hence making the listed about (70vg/30pg 50/50 and 60/40). I measured all attempts by weight (and because i was scared of the nic volume & weight measured as a safety double check). For the batch of three I made I measured by both volume (medical grade syringe I got from the pharmacy) and weight to ensure the scale was working properly (which was calibrated as well). I shook the juices prior to going to bed last night. Shook them at 3am prior to the gym. Shook again at 5:40am upon arriving at work. Did a warm water bath to loosen up the pg/vg and shook again 6:20am Bottle sat most of the day...shook prior to leaving work. Shook again...and vape tested all the bottles today at 4pm. All mixes where made using a juice calculator (pic's were posted at the top of the post and i am assuing the gram weights were good for the juices.

Environment factors. Everything was new from ecigexpress. I received the package at work and nothing funky happened there. When I opened the box and I could smell black licorice...and the anise bottle was dented...but no liquid mess...but I am guessing a touch leaked...but shouldn't have affected anything else. Everything stays in the dark, in Tupperware contains. The mixed juice goes into the juice drawer. I did vigorously shake the vg/pg/nic/flavors the first go around...but who knows...maybe not enough....so on the test batch I shook vigorously each time adding flavor to each bottle. I did check all the FA bottles and they all say "concentrate." The only environmental factor is that I don't use the heat in my home and I keep the temp cool (like not warm....still haven't ran the heat in the house living in the pacific northwest).

Does anyone have advice on what to do?
 

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So i mixed a handful for the Hic's Strawberry cotton candy without nic will low results. I'll list all the elements and a few other mixes I tried.

70vg/30pg 4% Strawberry & 4% Joy. Upon vape I can smell a touch of cotton candy via my nose but upon inhale'n'exhale low to little flavor.
50vg/50pg 4% Strawberry & 4% Joy. Upon vape I can smell a touch of cotton candy via my nose but upon inhale'n'exhale low to little flavor. There was more flaver than the 70/30 and about the same at the 8% mix. I would say slight flavor increase.
60vg/40pg 8% Strawberry & 8% Joy. Upon vape I can smell a touch of cotton candy via my nose but upon inhale'n'exhale low to little flavor. There was more flaver than the 70/30 and about the same at the 8% mix. I would say slight flavor increase.

Ry4/Carmel Vanilla. All FA flavors. 70vg/30pg. 3mg nic. Carmel 4%, Ry4 6%, Vanilla 4%. Ry4 taste was the highest taste profile. I could taste the caramel but the profile was low. The overall flavor was still low but at least higher than the StrawCotCandy. I would lower the Ry4. However, there was still wasn't what a call "flavor explosion" like I get with store bought ejuice.

Hic EggNog 70vg/30pg. 3mg nic 4.5% Vienna Cream & Carmel 1.875% Smelling the liquid it is almost like eggnog. The flavor was low or muted. As a noob I would say do something crazy like triple the percents...but I don't think I am supposed to do that.

Hics Pot'o gold whiskey. Whiskey 1.5%, Carmel 1.5%, Cocoa 1%, Butter Scotch 0.75%, Custard 0.75%, 3mg nic. The whiskey was upfront, I am sure it would mellow. The remaining flavors were mellow. Just like with everything else there was not a flavor explosion, just low like I should double or quadruple the flavors. But again, I don't think I should do that.

All the juices I vaped in an Atlantis 2 tank. 0.5 coil. Fresh Battery. Good coil (used a store bought custard before and after and tasted excellent). I tried heat stepping my first bottles...which didn't work...hence making the listed about (70vg/30pg 50/50 and 60/40). I measured all attempts by weight (and because i was scared of the nic volume & weight measured as a safety double check). For the batch of three I made I measured by both volume (medical grade syringe I got from the pharmacy) and weight to ensure the scale was working properly (which was calibrated as well). I shook the juices prior to going to bed last night. Shook them at 3am prior to the gym. Shook again at 5:40am upon arriving at work. Did a warm water bath to loosen up the pg/vg and shook again 6:20am Bottle sat most of the day...shook prior to leaving work. Shook again...and vape tested all the bottles today at 4pm. All mixes where made using a juice calculator (pic's were posted at the top of the post and i am assuing the gram weights were good for the juices.

Environment factors. Everything was new from ecigexpress. I received the package at work and nothing funky happened there. When I opened the box and I could smell black licorice...and the anise bottle was dented...but no liquid mess...but I am guessing a touch leaked...but shouldn't have affected anything else. Everything stays in the dark, in Tupperware contains. The mixed juice goes into the juice drawer. I did vigorously shake the vg/pg/nic/flavors the first go around...but who knows...maybe not enough....so on the test batch I shook vigorously each time adding flavor to each bottle. I did check all the FA bottles and they all say "concentrate." The only environmental factor is that I don't use the heat in my home and I keep the temp cool (like not warm....still haven't ran the heat in the house living in the pacific northwest).

Does anyone have advice on what to do?
Looks like you've done everything right. I have the exact same problem you have and have been on this very same rodeo for weeks now. I love HICs recipes and have tried many of them but almost never get that in-yer-face flavor that I'm looking for. No amount of steeping works, increasing percentages doesn't work, and yes I've tried his (hers?) tiramisu cream and after a week steep I'm still not getting a whole lot of flavor. I too keep thinking either I'm doing something wrong (though I can't for the life of me think of what!) or there's something wrong with ME. I've decided it's the whole taste-is-subjective thing. I don't taste what other people taste. And while I'm so grateful to HIC for sharing so many wonderful looking recipes I just don't think they're for me.

I've spent a TON of time at eliquidrecipes.com and have mixed up some other recipes that are 15-20% flavor and some even higher. I know people will say you shouldn't have to mix that high but I've found that I really have to in order to get any flavoring at all out of my juices. And I've managed to find some really good ones. In the last two days I've mixed up 12 new juices and put them away for a week before I try them again.

I've done the crock pot steep thing and honestly I think the very best way is to just let it sit. Time is the best steeper. It's horribly hard though with all those fresh bottles staring at you,,, it is for me anyway.

I guess I'd recommend finding a couple recipes that are closer to 20% flavor and try them. Give them at least a few days to steep and see what happens. I would never cast aspersions on HIC because of his great generosity but I've just never had any luck with his mixes,,, which is highly disappointing because they all just sound so darn good!!!

Really, it doesn't look like you're doing anything wrong,,,,I just think you're in the minority of people who need lots and lots of flavoring, like me!


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Let your mixes set for three days then revisit. Maybe, if you want, mix other stuff but give what you've got a little time. 6% RY4 I think would gag me, 3% been about my max.
 

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Thanks for the inputs. The initial attempt I mixed Saturday last weekend and I was focused on the cotton candy due to shake and vape listing...figure sitting until Wednesday would be good. I also guessed quietly that maybe I didn't properly shake the nic (vigours at setup, then vigours just prior to adding the nic into 8 bottles but maybe I went to slow and it settled....even though I went pretty quick on the measure of nic since everything was 3mg which resulted in the same gram measurement).

I do have a pretty good ability to taste flavors. I love odd tastes. I have a great vender that mixes a juice based on Thyme and I can taste the Carmel (or maple sryup), clove (pepper or some spice hiding), a touch of ry4 or other, and 1-2 other hidden flavors to round out the reciepe. The same juice line has an orange cream that has a touch of the same caramel/maple, ry4, and another two or three flavors just hiding. That was why I tried Orange tic tac...I was thinking would be a good starting point for orange/manderine/tangerine...but I doubled the recipe and no go...measured additional drops (i kept the notes + put less pepermine) and pepermint is there but the orange and other is muted. It's just wacky to me...I am really hoping the FA is going to work...I like the concept of their manufacturing and no of those funny chemicals like diyactly (I know, spelling error) and acetone.

I know I will have to buy concentrates from other venders to round out recipes eventually, but I didn't think I would get a result of muted flavor (basically unvapable)...I figured I would get super yucky over flavored (I did make one....cherry and whip cream at 10% each...but I think that will always come out as cough sryup and alcohol tasting without a tpa cherry or black cherry or something like that from another vender). I also know strawberry is a very difficult flavor to hit, but I did not get the flavor explosion of cotton candy (I was just faint and with mixed with nic for me was even fainter i think).
 

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I even knew that I would fall flat on face at the beginning...thats why I was doing what many people before me didn't have an opportunity to do...benifit from others with great reputations (I see other boards singing the praise of HIC's recipies) and I am super appreciative. I still am super thankful for everyone's input. Vaping has allow me to quit the stinkies, manage my nic (I can officially go hours with the incredible hulk nic fit). Vaping underground has given me the thirst for knowledge and eventually would love to teach people locally how to diy their own liquids (and eventually the future noobs like me down the road on a forum). And, thanks in advance for all the future input.
 

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I am still in the retesting stage. After searching lots of sites and googling things like "low flavor from" FA I ran across a site that listed average percent of flavor to vg/pg and it finally clicked.

Although lots of recomendations to hic's recipies say to double the flavors that was what was giving me the issue. Everything destroyed everything. Sticking to no more than a total of every flavor in the bottle to a limit of 5 to 6% max has done the trick. At least so far. Strawberrycotton candy also does not work for me... But bilberry and joy at 2% of each actually gives me blueberry and funnel cake.

Thank you to everyone putting up with me. I guess this post will hopefully benefit another first time diy person down the road.
 

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Chris I am not a master mixer by any means but I can tell you my solutions.

If you want in your face flavoring increase HIC's recipes by 50% but also because you are increasing the flavor amounts I must increase the steep times to 1-1 1/2 weeks. Now I am not sure if it our taste buds that are weaker or it is where we are buying our supplies. I purchased all my flavoring from Ecig Express for a year and really had problems with mixes. I have since changed suppliers and do not seem to have as much problem as before. Most of the time now I only need to increase flavoring by 25% or none at all.

I am not trying to bash a business such as Ecig because they do have good customers service but it does make me wonder if they water down their flavoring, or do not shake the flavorings before dispensing or even if they are old flavoring sometimes. I can't say for certain I just know I am not having the same issues since I have switched vendors.

Anywhoooo I hope you find something that works for you because tasting these great recipes is such a joy.
 

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Chris I am not a master mixer by any means but I can tell you my solutions.

If you want in your face flavoring increase HIC's recipes by 50% but also because you are increasing the flavor amounts I must increase the steep times to 1-1 1/2 weeks. Now I am not sure if it our taste buds that are weaker or it is where we are buying our supplies. I purchased all my flavoring from Ecig Express for a year and really had problems with mixes. I have since changed suppliers and do not seem to have as much problem as before. Most of the time now I only need to increase flavoring by 25% or none at all.

I am not trying to bash a business such as Ecig because they do have good customers service but it does make me wonder if they water down their flavoring, or do not shake the flavorings before dispensing or even if they are old flavoring sometimes. I can't say for certain I just know I am not having the same issues since I have switched vendors.

Anywhoooo I hope you find something that works for you because tasting these great recipes is such a joy.

Wow. Have other people experience issues with ecigexpress? In this area?

Do you have other suppliers to recommend Located in the US? I know there is a list posted in Vu. But it was a little dated. I picked ecigexpress because they had a super wide selection.

My next shopping experience and last one for awhile (already apent too much...go figure) will be to buy more testing bottles...30ml bottle are too big (need 10 more 15ml bottles) and I need to buy some flavors outside of FA to support my specific flavor needs (like adding sweet strawberry CAP to FA strawberry).
 

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ECX is my go to vendor. I've never had a problem with them. But that's just me.
 

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I purchased all my flavoring from Ecig Express for a year and really had problems with mixes. I have since changed suppliers and do not seem to have as much problem as before. Most of the time now I only need to increase flavoring by 25% or none at all.

I am not trying to bash a business such as Ecig because they do have good customers service but it does make me wonder if they water down their flavoring, or do not shake the flavorings before dispensing or even if they are old flavoring sometimes. I can't say for certain I just know I am not having the same issues since I have switched vendors.

Anywhoooo I hope you find something that works for you because tasting these great recipes is such a joy.

Hey there @jensy !

We do not dilute any of our flavorings over here @ ECX, and aim to provide the best possible customer experience on the largest DIY juice supply store in the world. I would be happy to answer any questions that you have about our flavorings, any time. Please don't hesitate to ask! I'm all ears for feedback.
 

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Hey there @jensy !

We do not dilute any of our flavorings over here @ ECX, and aim to provide the best possible customer experience on the largest DIY juice supply store in the world. I would be happy to answer any questions that you have about our flavorings, any time. Please don't hesitate to ask! I'm all ears for feedback.
That is what you call customer service!
 

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Hey there @jensy !

We do not dilute any of our flavorings over here @ ECX, and aim to provide the best possible customer experience on the largest DIY juice supply store in the world. I would be happy to answer any questions that you have about our flavorings, any time. Please don't hesitate to ask! I'm all ears for feedback.
Hey Donovan,

Thanks for the reply. I am not trying to slight your business at all and appreciate that you did not take my post that way.What do you think could be the cause of lack of flavor or different flavor in FA in different vendors? Is it possible with what I said about flavors not shaken before dispensing or old flavoring? Again I am not bashing you at all just trying to figure this out.

I always purchased my flavors from you because of your huge stock , diligent customer service and very fair prices.I didn't even mind paying the huge exchange rate between the Canadian and U.S dollar because of your stock and fast turnaround time.
 

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Hey Donovan,

Thanks for the reply. I am not trying to slight your business at all and appreciate that you did not take my post that way.What do you think could be the cause of lack of flavor or different flavor in FA in different vendors? Is it possible with what I said about flavors not shaken before dispensing or old flavoring? Again I am not bashing you at all just trying to figure this out.

I always purchased my flavors from you because of your huge stock , diligent customer service and very fair prices.I didn't even mind paying the huge exchange rate between the Canadian and U.S dollar because of your stock and fast turnaround time.

The most likely culprit is indeed the age of some flavoring, but that issue has long since been rectified. In the unlikely event that you ever receive a flavor that you believe to be off I invite you to contact me about it because that is a no-no, and I would like to get you some fresh product!

Regarding the shaking part; the lab staff here are well trained, and shaking all solutions thoroughly before use is second nature.

I'll speak to our customer service staff about the aging issue so they know not to write it off.

Almost all of our flavoring has a batch#, and that's usually an excellent way to gauge the age of flavoring. I find FA the easiest to comprehend. Haha
 

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The most likely culprit is indeed the age of some flavoring, but that issue has long since been rectified. In the unlikely event that you ever receive a flavor that you believe to be off I invite you to contact me about it because that is a no-no, and I would like to get you some fresh product!

Regarding the shaking part; the lab staff here are well trained, and shaking all solutions thoroughly before use is second nature.

I'll speak to our customer service staff about the aging issue so they know not to write it off.

Almost all of our flavoring has a batch#, and that's usually an excellent way to gauge the age of flavoring. I find FA the easiest to comprehend. Haha

How do you know by the lot number or batch number if it is old? Maybe that is why I am struggling with red touch strawberry
 

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FA batch#'s look something like this: 2015/7012

The first 4 digits indicate the year the item was produced, and I can safely that the 7000's is pretty close to recent as far as the production dates go. If on January 1st 2015/1 was produced, and you personally own an FA bottle with the batch# 2015/3500, then that would indicate the approximate age is somewhere around 5-6 months.
 

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