Lavabox dna200 1300mah questions

[packers2430]

Hey everyone, I just got a lavabox and got the 1300 mAh battery for it. I loaded the file for the larger battery off the website for volcano into escribe, all figures match what's on the site but the cell soft cutoff was 3.2 so I changed it to 3.09 as per the website chart.

I noticed while charging with it displaying amps on the Mod , at 98% the amps go to 0.00 if I fire it then stop it charges up to 100%. I did a soft restart and now notice when I changed charging display to show each cell voltage while charging at 100% two cells show 4.20v and one shows 4.21v. What is there I can do?

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[NickIsANoob]

The small differences in voltage .01-.02 are normal until it hits 100%

 

[packers2430]

The 4.20,4.20, 4.21 is what displayed at 100% the charging icon went away. I unplugged it and said 100%. This is my first dna device so maybe I'm just over thinking it all , but I just want to make sure it's set correctly to last and be safe

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[NickIsANoob]

The 4.20,4.20, 4.21 is what displayed at 100% the charging icon went away. I unplugged it and said 100%. This is my first dna device so maybe I'm just over thinking it all , but I just want to make sure it's set correctly to last and be safe

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Yep you're fine. Enjoy the mod I love mine

 

[packers2430]

Okay thanks. I just wanted to be sure. Thanks for the reassurance. I love it so far

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[Wingsfan0310]

I think a .01 difference in voltage isn't anything major especially when the Lipo pack is new without any cycles on it. Just to double check, you have the Watt Hours set to 14.43 right?

Cheers,
Steve

 

[packers2430]

Yes they are 14.43. I loaded the file from volcano's website for the battery, then double checked all numbers in their chart with escribe and the only one that was different was cell soft cutoff which was at 3.2 on escribe but on the website it's 3.09 so I manually changed that.

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[packers2430]

For temp control, some people are saying they lock the ohms others say they never do, isnt it necessary to lock ohms for any temp control use tho ?

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[Wingsfan0310]

For temp control, some people are saying they lock the ohms others say they never do, isnt it necessary to lock ohms for any temp control use tho ?

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I don't lock my ohms in TC on DNA mods. DNA chips use what Evolv calls Refinement. That is where the chip checks the coils and refines the resistance if it changes as the coils break in/age. It does this while they are at room temperature. Locking the resistance shuts off refinement.

Evolv suggests you only lock the resistance in TC if your atty has unstable resistance (personally if your atty has unstable resistance, I think it shouldn't be used for TC).

Cheers,
Steve

 

[packers2430]

Thank you that makes more sense to me explained that way. I'm about to make ss316 Clapton's, anyone have advice on preheat power setting for ss316

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[Wingsfan0310]

Thank you that makes more sense to me explained that way. I'm about to make ss316 Clapton's, anyone have advice on preheat power setting for ss316

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Your welcome! One thing I didn't mention is too make sure when you screw on your atty it's at room temperature. The DNA locks in the resistance without you having to do it. If the coils are hot and you select new coils, it will lock in a resistance that is too high which will result in too hot of a vape. The mod would refine the resistance but not until it was at rest (room temperature).

What gauge are your Claptons? I use SS316L Claptons (28,36ga) from Lightning vapes. My coils are 2.5mm, 6-7 wraps. I vape at 420-440F, 35 watts, 75 watts preheat, 5 punch for 1 second. The thicker your wire, bigger diameter coils, etc (more metal mass) coupled with preferred temperature will take more power. My Claptons are on the thinner side so I find that power to be sufficient.

One tip I will give you is to hook up your mod to Escribe and vape on it looking at your temperature graphs. You will see how long it takes to get up to temp and whether or not you need to increase or decrease preheat or power.

Cheers,
Steve


Edit: Here's my SS316L Claptons (28,36) from LV using SE 316L curve

 

[HaileStorm]

I don't lock my ohms in TC on DNA mods. DNA chips use what Evolv calls Refinement. That is where the chip checks the coils and refines the resistance if it changes as the coils break in/age. It does this while they are at room temperature. Locking the resistance shuts off refinement.

Evolv suggests you only lock the resistance in TC if your atty has unstable resistance (personally if your atty has unstable resistance, I think it shouldn't be used for TC).

Cheers,
Steve

Hi steve!

Sorry, not to hijack the op's thread but does this "refinement" also apply to the lavabox m and other dna 75 mods or is it a function found only on dna 200s?

Since im coming from non-dna mods,ive gotten used to locking my resistance and im wondering if ive been doing it wrong the whole time.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

It applies to the all the DNA mods I have (250, 200/133, & 75). I don't know about the mods before the 200 like the 40 because I never owned one. I believe it also applies to the DNA60.

I have the the Blood Red Lavabox MDNA 75 (I actually have 2 but one is still factory sealed in the box - bsckup). I don't lock the resistance in TC and it works great.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[packers2430]

Your welcome! One thing I didn't mention is too make sure when you screw on your atty it's at room temperature. The DNA locks in the resistance without you having to do it. If the coils are hot and you select new coils, it will lock in a resistance that is too high which will result in too hot of a vape. The mod would refine the resistance but not until it was at rest (room temperature).

What gauge are your Claptons? I use SS316L Claptons (28,36ga) from Lightning vapes. My coils are 2.5mm, 6-7 wraps. I vape at 420-440F, 35 watts, 75 watts preheat, 5 punch for 1 second. The thicker your wire, bigger diameter coils, etc (more metal mass) coupled with preferred temperature will take more power. My Claptons are on the thinner side so I find that power to be sufficient.

One tip I will give you is to hook up your mod to Escribe and vape on it looking at your temperature graphs. You will see how long it takes to get up to temp and whether or not you need to increase or decrease preheat or power.

Cheers,
Steve


Edit: Here's my SS316L Claptons (28,36) from LV using SE 316L curve

The Clapton's wire I have is ss316 24/36 I believe from lightning vapes. I got the file from their site last night for the wire and imported it then made a profile for just that wire. I have yet to see any message ever pop up asking new coil on my dna however. Do I have to set it to ask ?

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[Wingsfan0310]

No you don't. It only asks if the difference between the last coil and the new coil is small, like a couple hundredths of an ohm.
Example: If you fire your coil, unscrew it, press fire, screw it back on and try to fire you will get the message because it will have only risen a few hundredths of an ohm.

If the difference is greater it just assumes it's a different coil and doesn't ask.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[packers2430]

No you don't. It only asks if the difference between the last coil and the new coil is small, like a couple hundredths of an ohm.
Example: If you fire your coil, unscrew it, press fire, screw it back on and try to fire you will get the message because it will have only risen a few hundredths of an ohm.

If the difference is greater it just assumes it's a different coil and doesn't ask.

Cheers,
Steve

Okay thank you

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[packers2430]

What kind of battery life is everyone getting with the 1300 mAh for the lavabox , I took it off the charger 4 hours ago been vaping here and there since then (5hours) and at 48%-3.84 volts it says. I'm wondering if it's draining faster maybe , one YouTube video said he gets a whole day on one charge. Coil is dual Clapton .56 ohm at 40watts in power mode.

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[Wingsfan0310]

It's impossible to say how long you will get on a charge. I can say how long I get but that's my style of Vaping. Everyone is different. Coils, power, how often they take a puff, etc.

What I can say is a 3s 1300mah Lipo would be approximately equal to a single 3900mah 18650. So about 1.5 x 18650 (less if you use 30Q's or HG2'S). Hope that helps.

PS Claptons will consume more power than regular coils, more metal mass so more power required to heat them up and keep them there in TC. In power mode it wouldn't matter.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Eskie]

It's impossible to say how long you will get on a charge. I can say how long I get but that's my style of Vaping. Everyone is different. Coils, power, how often they take a puff, etc.

What I can say is a 3s 1300mah Lipo would be approximately equal to a single 3900mah 18650. So about 1.5 x 18650 (less if you use 30Q's or HG2'S). Hope that helps.

PS Claptons will consume more power than regular coils, more metal mass so more power required to heat them up and keep them there in TC. In power mode it wouldn't matter.

Cheers,
Steve

To follow up on Wingsfan's estimate, I have 1 DNA 200 with a 3c 1300 mA Lipo and another DNA 200 with 3X18650 in it. On identical settings (30W 450F forgot the preheat, but it's not all that high) and vaping similar amounts, I can get maybe 1.5 days out of the Lipo vs. 3 to 4 days out of the 18650s.

 

[packers2430]

Okay thanks, I was trying different builds basically to see if I could find a set up where I could get a whole day out of the lavabox, wasn't sure if what I was getting was usual for this lipo or not.

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[NickyGiaccone]

The cutoff voltage should be 3.09v as stated above.

 

[HaileStorm]

Okay thanks, I was trying different builds basically to see if I could find a set up where I could get a whole day out of the lavabox, wasn't sure if what I was getting was usual for this lipo or not.

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Try doing builds with 26g ss316 wires and if you can make it a single instead of a dual coil build, your battery should last you a day. Maybe even more. This makes vaping at lower wattages possible.

While i cant speak for the lipo batteries, i came from dual battery mods and have slimmed it down to single battery mods for a more pocket-friendly setup due to the builds im using.

 

[packers2430]

Try doing builds with 26g ss316 wires and if you can make it a single instead of a dual coil build, your battery should last you a day. Maybe even more. This makes vaping at lower wattages possible.

While i cant speak for the lipo batteries, i came from dual battery mods and have slimmed it down to single battery mods for a more pocket-friendly setup due to the builds im using.

Thank you I'll try a single coil build tonight , what ohm and wattage do you shoot for with a single to get a day out of the battery, do you find temp control or wattage mode saves more battery ?

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[HaileStorm]

Thank you I'll try a single coil build tonight , what ohm and wattage do you shoot for with a single to get a day out of the battery, do you find temp control or wattage mode saves more battery ?

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You're welcome!

I build my coils with 26g ss316 wire. 3.0mm diameter, 8 wraps, spaced. Comes to about .58ohms thereabouts.

I set the mod at 475-500°f at 20w (or 23 tops, depending on the juice) and i get excellent battery life out of my single 18650 batteries (3000mah LG's). 2 full days at work and a whole night of chain vaping.

Of course battery life is subjective but you should see a much improved battery life when compared to more demanding coils. I hardly carry around a spare battery with me anymore.

EDIT:
As for tc vs vw mode, i haven't really tried conparing the two just yet. But if ever there's a difference in battery consumption, i can only guess that it'll be minimal.

That said, maybe tc would end up saving more power since it lowers the output when the max temp is almost reached.

 

[packers2430]

Thank you. I'm not new to regulated mods but to the dna ones I am. I just want a build hopefully with ss316 in temp mode that'll last at least most the day. Before Iv never had a problem with just swapping batteries but I don't wanna do that anymore, I'm still in the mindset of dual coils .2 to .4 ohms and 50watts starting at. Is it best with regulated mods to build higher ohm coils and lower wattage ?

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[Wingsfan0310]

Anytime you lower the wattage you are using less power and your battery will last longer. Another option is bringing along a portable power supply and plugging in for a short time to extend your run-time. I always have this in my lunchbox. It works for phones too.
https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-20100-Capacity-Technology/dp/B00X5RV14Y

I got mine on sale last December for around $27

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Eskie]

Anytime you lower the wattage you are using less power and your battery will last longer. Another option is bringing along a portable power supply and plugging in for a short time to extend your run-time. I always have this in my lunchbox. It works for phones too.
https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-20100-Capacity-Technology/dp/B00X5RV14Y

I got mine on sale last December for around $27

Cheers,
Steve

I have a similar one, but a few years older and only 12,000 mA with a built in Lipo. I did read down on that model, and under the Q&A thought it kinda funny that someone popped it open and found 6 18650 Panasonic batteries running it. Sorta like throwing a bunch of extra 18650s in your pocket.

Those portable bricks really do come in handy, especially when traveling and without access to an AC plug. I mostly rely on it for my cell and tablet, but it's always a backup option for a mod if caught in a jamb.

 

[packers2430]

Does anyone know off hand what the connection types are for the lipo batteries for dna mods? I was thinking of getting a higher mah rated lipo for the lavabox than the 1300, if I can find one of the same dimensions, one RC site I found you can select the plugs and they'll hook them up on the battery

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[NickyGiaccone]

I found out all DNA200 mods have 25amp min. Requirement and usually the most needed due to efficient perfectly sufficient voltage usage according to Ohm's law. The $185 900mAH (with future officially licensed Extended lipo packs rumored between 1600mAH and 2200mAH, 2a charger compatibility, and the upgraded lipos 30-35amp. Protovapor.com. XPV DNA250 custom color with great copper plated ideal universal height of a 510 connection, future Escribe features exclusively for DNA250 chips, and SOLID construction of thick Aluminum Alloy. I know there's a DNA250 MOD with the additional 3x18650 power but I'm rockin a Koopor Primus 3x18650 made of Zinc Alloy, updated firmware and great features in the simple but detailed menu. Why buy a 250 before Escribe has caught up to the exclusivity of the new chip? I ordered an IPV6x for $50 and a set of 5 Sony VTC5a 25amp 2600mAH batteries. I need a new charger and heard although it drains overall mAH and nominal voltage, it charges batteries at 1a or so internally without breaking a sweat and has the wattage punch levels feature.

 

[NickyGiaccone]

Try doing builds with 26g ss316 wires and if you can make it a single instead of a dual coil build, your battery should last you a day. Maybe even more. This makes vaping at lower wattages possible.

While i cant speak for the lipo batteries, i came from dual battery mods and have slimmed it down to single battery mods for a more pocket-friendly setup due to the builds im using.

I never build coils. I'm vaping a TF-T8 .16ohm octuple Clapton on my TFV4 24.5mm. It's amazingly similar to the TFV8 WITHOUT guzzling all my liquid. 137.4W i leave it set. A 3.4 punch out of 11, 1s preheat time, and 60W preheat. It has an affect on PWR/WATT "material" non temp sensing setting. TC is not appealing to me.

 

[HaileStorm]

Thank you. I'm not new to regulated mods but to the dna ones I am. I just want a build hopefully with ss316 in temp mode that'll last at least most the day. Before Iv never had a problem with just swapping batteries but I don't wanna do that anymore, I'm still in the mindset of dual coils .2 to .4 ohms and 50watts starting at. Is it best with regulated mods to build higher ohm coils and lower wattage ?

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It really depends on your vaping style but i found that my sweet spot is at .5 to .6ohms. I really like the efficiency i get with builds like that. Plus, i dont have to wait for my coils to ramp up eliminating the need for a preheat. I just instantly get a satisfying vape no matter how cold the coils get.

It also depends on the tanks used. I get more flavor with smaller tanks such as the serpent mini. I dont miss my dual-coil builds at all.

 

[conanthewarrior]

I found out all DNA200 mods have 25amp min. Requirement and usually the most needed due to efficient perfectly sufficient voltage usage according to Ohm's law. The $185 900mAH (with future officially licensed Extended lipo packs rumored between 1600mAH and 2200mAH, 2a charger compatibility, and the upgraded lipos 30-35amp. Protovapor.com. XPV DNA250 custom color with great copper plated ideal universal height of a 510 connection, future Escribe features exclusively for DNA250 chips, and SOLID construction of thick Aluminum Alloy. I know there's a DNA250 MOD with the additional 3x18650 power but I'm rockin a Koopor Primus 3x18650 made of Zinc Alloy, updated firmware and great features in the simple but detailed menu. Why buy a 250 before Escribe has caught up to the exclusivity of the new chip? I ordered an IPV6x for $50 and a set of 5 Sony VTC5a 25amp 2600mAH batteries. I need a new charger and heard although it drains overall mAH and nominal voltage, it charges batteries at 1a or so internally without breaking a sweat and has the wattage punch levels feature.

Hi mate.

The 25A is actually the point the fuse blows on the input of the DNA200- 23A is the max input on the spec sheet, its output is a maximum 50A constant and 55A pulse. Its minimum input is actually 0.5A, so very low. In typical conditions, Evolv state 9A.

So it is the maximum, and the majority of good quality Li-Po's easily meet this requirement, so you won't need to spend too much on a Li-Po . The DNA250 has a slightly higher max input of 30A.

Charging at 1A will also be fine for your VTC5's and their overall lifespan, as the data sheet for the VTC5 states 2.5A charging is its standard charge condition! This is quite high, higher than the 25R, but 1A charging is still under its standard charge current, so you should get a lot of cycles charging at 1A, which is just 0.4C- I have been charging my batteries at 1A for around a year now, before this at 0.5A and have not noticed any noticeable decrease in batteries performance or life since changing.

 

[packers2430]

I changed some settings in escribe, screen brightness, turning the screen off when firing the mod, turning brightness down in general. Ran the battery down last night , re input the file for the 1300 mAh battery in escribe. charged it up fully without using it during charging. At 1:15 PM, took it off the charger at 100% it's now 6:45 PM, with dual ss316 coil. Temp control 520 degrees , 60 watt preheat for 3 seconds at 35 watts .17 ohm coil , the battery now is at 68%.

Trying to give as much detail as possible, battery seems better now. Compared to others with the lavabox 1300mah , is this normal now for battery life ? Am I pretty good now?

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[packers2430]

To add to it, Iv used it say taking a hit ever few minutes. 5 sec long , there was about an hour when I wasnt using while in a store.

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[NickIsANoob]

I got about the same battery life at 100w with the 1300 as I get from a pair of hg2s.

 

[packers2430]

I got about the same battery life at 100w with the 1300 as I get from a pair of hg2s.

How long would you say you get at 100 watts on it? I'd like to do a low ohm build and hit it at 80 to 120 watts but not sure it'd be an all day or all work day type of set up.

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[NickIsANoob]

How long would you say you get at 100 watts on it? I'd like to do a low ohm build and hit it at 80 to 120 watts but not sure it'd be an all day or all work day type of set up.

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I would say I got 2/3 of a day out of it.

 

[packers2430]

I saw a 1500 mah fully max lipo , dimensions look like they'll fit the lavabox almost same size as the 1300 mah, discharge rate of 25C, max charging rate 2C, burst (3sec) 50C. Would these specs be good for the dna 200 board ? Would I notice much more life out of 1500 mah over 1300mah , or just an extra hour maybe ?

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[Wingsfan0310]

I saw a 1500 mah fully max lipo , dimensions look like they'll fit the lavabox almost same size as the 1300 mah, discharge rate of 25C, max charging rate 2C, burst (3sec) 50C. Would these specs be good for the dna 200 board ? Would I notice much more life out of 1500 mah over 1300mah , or just an extra hour maybe ?

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The spec sound alright for a DNA200. You would get about 15% longer runtime.
2c charging would be 3amps.
25c discharge would be 37.5 amps.
The DNA200 has a maximum input current of 24 amps and a 1 amp charging board.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[packers2430]

The spec sound alright for a DNA200. You would get about 15% longer runtime.
2c charging would be 3amps.
25c discharge would be 37.5 amps.
The DNA200 has a maximum input current of 24 amps and a 1 amp charging board.

Cheers,
Steve

Thanks. I just wanted to make sure I thought itd be fine for it, I'm debating if the extra 200 mah will make a decent difference in run time or not, can't find a larger mAh lipo so far that'll fit in the lavabox with extended enclosure.

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[Vapingbeauty]

@purecoils maybe you can help?

Fight for your right to vape......

 

[packers2430]

Not sure if we can post links but I ordered a flight power 3s lipo 1600 mah 25c last night from Amazon, had to get XT 30 plugs for it but all reviews I read were good about those batteries and the size will just fit in the lavabox with the extender on it. Looking forward to how this one performs in terms of battery life. The height is all that'll be close its 40mm and 41 or 42 mm I think from measuring is the highest I can fit.

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[packers2430]

I have one question, the case analyzer in escribe when I set it up initially I just matched what figures volcano had for the lavabox, do I have to run the case analyzer with putting in a different larger mAh battery? Or is it the same? Also I don't have anything to run the battery analyzer and don't feel safe doing just two big hoops of wire, is the watt hour calc good to just use that ? Thanks in advance everyone and thanks for all the help up to this point also.

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[Wingsfan0310]

Yes, just use the watt hours calculator if you don't have the proper resistor.

You are probably alright using their numbers for the case analyzer. However running the analyzer is no big deal though. You don't need anything special to do it. It just takes time (3-4 hours). The only thing you have to do is make sure the battery pack is between 1/4-1/2 charged and sit back and wait for the test to finish. Click on accept when finished and finally click on Upload Settings to Device to save it to your mod.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[packers2430]

Yes, just use the watt hours calculator if you don't have the proper resistor.

You are probably alright using their numbers for the case analyzer. However running the analyzer is no big deal though. You don't need anything special to do it. It just takes time (3-4 hours). The only thing you have to do is make sure the battery pack is between 1/4-1/2 charged and sit back and wait for the test to finish. Click on accept when finished and finally click on Upload Settings to Device to save it to your mod.

Cheers,
Steve

Thank you very much for all of your advice. I will do just that. I wish I could run the battery analyzer but I don't feel comfortable doing it without the proper resistors.

I know the battery I ordered is only a 1600 mah vs the 1300 I have now but I am curious to see how much more time I get out of the new battery. I just enjoy using the dna device much more than my other regulated mods, TC with SS316 is a lot more enjoyable with a dna in my opinion.

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[packers2430]

Yes, just use the watt hours calculator if you don't have the proper resistor.

You are probably alright using their numbers for the case analyzer. However running the analyzer is no big deal though. You don't need anything special to do it. It just takes time (3-4 hours). The only thing you have to do is make sure the battery pack is between 1/4-1/2 charged and sit back and wait for the test to finish. Click on accept when finished and finally click on Upload Settings to Device to save it to your mod.

Cheers,
Steve

Btw I like the sn. I'm a wings fan as well, last night's game was a fun one.

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[Wingsfan0310]

Btw I like the sn. I'm a wings fan as well, last night's game was a fun one.

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Nice. Do you happen to be in the UP of the state? I know there are a lot of Packers fans up there.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[packers2430]

Nice. Do you happen to be in the UP of the state? I know there are a lot of Packers fans up there.

Cheers,
Steve

Nah I'm lower part, just always have been a packers fan. Not even sure how it started because the rest of my family isn't , I notice that tho when I cross the bridge packers fans all over.

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[Wingsfan0310]

Your closer to Green Bay when you're up there, especially if you are in the western part. I don't blame you, it's tough being a Lions fan. That's why I've always been a Wolverines fan. Go Blue.

 

[packers2430]

Your closer to Green Bay when you're up there, especially if you are in the western part. I don't blame you, it's tough being a Lions fan. That's why I've always been a Wolverines fan. Go Blue.

Yeah last time my wife and I were up there I almost kept driving to green bay for the day. This weekend's game will be an interesting one, I can't wait for it.

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