Me and fiancee can not taste at recommended concentrates?

[conanthewarrior]

Hi people.

I had noticed a strange issue. Most people add around 5-10% of flavouring. I ensured I purchased the concentrates that work at 5%, as I checked with the retailer.

Now, me and my fiancee can not taste the flavour, unless it is at least around 15%? I am really wondering why most people on here use 5% to 10%, we need to use 15-20% to taste it. As you can realise, this is annoying, as it takes up quite a bit of room in the juice bottle, and also my flavours, instead of lasting for up to 20 10 ML bottles, they only last for 5-7 bottles.

Now I am mixing flavours it is not so bad, as I am taking 0.5 here and 0.5 Mls there, but to use the flavour alone I need to use at least 1.5ML to 10 mls, so really do not understand what is going on.

I am using quality brands, such as the Flavours apprentice, cappella, the unbranded range, flavour junkie, and similar, fair quality concentrates. Even the website recommends 5% for most of the flavours I ordered, but it tastes of nothing untill we get to at least 15%.

Have we got messed up taste buds or something? It is really confusing me.

 

[mjag]

All I know is different brands have different percentages and some need more time to steep than others. FA is the strongest I have used so far, most of there flavors come through big time at 1 to 3%.
I have noticed Cap Sweet Strawberry can easily get lost in some S&C mixes and you don't taste much of it even as high as 10%. After about a week of steeping it will start to come through.
There is a Gambit clone that really takes some steeping to get the apple to come through, a different clone the apple is way in your face and takes awhile to settle down and let the others flavors come through.

I am new to DIY too and have found through trial and error the correct percentages make a big difference. Too much flavor can be real bad and once you find that right percentage the flavor is night and day.

If you like sweet juices don't be afraid to add sweetener too, it can make a lot of flavors come alive with as little as 1% sweetener.

 

[Whiskey]

For me , vaping at a high wattage will diminish the juices flavorings some too.

 

[Zamazam]

Hi people.

I had noticed a strange issue. Most people add around 5-10% of flavouring. I ensured I purchased the concentrates that work at 5%, as I checked with the retailer.

Now, me and my fiancee can not taste the flavour, unless it is at least around 15%? I am really wondering why most people on here use 5% to 10%, we need to use 15-20% to taste it. As you can realise, this is annoying, as it takes up quite a bit of room in the juice bottle, and also my flavours, instead of lasting for up to 20 10 ML bottles, they only last for 5-7 bottles.

Now I am mixing flavours it is not so bad, as I am taking 0.5 here and 0.5 Mls there, but to use the flavour alone I need to use at least 1.5ML to 10 mls, so really do not understand what is going on.

I am using quality brands, such as the Flavours apprentice, cappella, the unbranded range, flavour junkie, and similar, fair quality concentrates. Even the website recommends 5% for most of the flavours I ordered, but it tastes of nothing untill we get to at least 15%.

Have we got messed up taste buds or something? It is really confusing me.

Let them steep for a couple weeks. Takes time to blend...

 

[John C]

what flavors are you using? not brands but actual flavors. Im the same way...sometimes ill mix something at someones percentages and be like...i dont taste much here at all!!

Ive noticed also that many berry flavors dont hold up as well as some others. For me, im not doing any more berry mixes, where the main theme is berries, using individual berry flavorings. Im going to buy the Forest Berry flavoring and use that asd my generic "berry" flavoring.

 

[Semi Reduction]

What device are you using? If you have a dripper handy, test some on that to start with to gauge what they should taste like

 

[conanthewarrior]

What device are you using? If you have a dripper handy, test some on that to start with to gauge what they should taste like

I have quite a few lol, the main two drippers I like using though are the Elcabron and the velocity.

I reas above about 'steep' time. I thought it was all bull, as I tried some I had left for about 3 weeks in a cupboard, and compared it to the same flavour made fresh. It tasted EXACTLY the same to me, so I gathered that this 'steeping' process was un necessary.

If it IS necessary, I am going to have to get a lot more bottles. Some to mix and let steep, others that I can use now or that= no vape at all .

Well, I tried my own version of a kind of gateau.

I used chocolate as the base, then a bit of blackberry, with a hint of strawberry. Its missing the cream though, we did order cream/milk, but that didnt arrive in the package. I made it so it was 10% of 10 Ml, so around 0.75ML of chocolate, 0.5 of blackberry, then 0.25ML of strawberry.

I then had to work out the percentages to half everything, wasn't too hard as you can guess just half of everything, as the first one had very, very weak flavour. This one tastes immediately like what I expected.

Its not exactly premium, but does taste quite nice.

Luckily I use a company who has excellent customer services, once they was out of stock of I think cappella blueberry, so they sent me a flavours apprentice blueberry, their version of blueberry, and refunded the money.

 

[conanthewarrior]

what flavors are you using? not brands but actual flavors. Im the same way...sometimes ill mix something at someones percentages and be like...i dont taste much here at all!!

Ive noticed also that many berry flavors dont hold up as well as some others. For me, im not doing any more berry mixes, where the main theme is berries, using individual berry flavorings. Im going to buy the Forest Berry flavoring and use that asd my generic "berry" flavoring.

I have made a gateau, so it was chocolate base, blackberry then strawberry, missing the cream though as it was missing from the order. Luckily I use chefs vapour in wales, a very trustworthy company, and they have sent a replacement immediatelly that should be here tomorrow, along with my shiny Xcube 2.

I think I am an addict people. I have an addictive personality (Ex-alcoholic, Ex-Junkie, Ex-anything I could get my hands on) and I think vaping has become my new addiction.

But, at least this one wont kill me. I have been here around 4-5 months, have already got 6 mods (The sig 50 is for the missus) and another dual battery high power mod on the way. I think at this one I have enough to do whatever I want to really, sorry to go off track but I wanted to get a few to rotate, and hopefully prolong the life of each one by doing so. I don't have a schedule or anything, just the one I fancy for the hour, I use them all throughout the day.

Let them steep for a couple weeks. Takes time to blend...

Is there really truth to this? I always assumed it was un-necessary, as I did an experiment in my early mixes-I let one bottle steep in a dark cupboard, then I made a fresh bottle on the day. I could not tell a difference at all, so I guessed it was all balls? But, that was SINGLE flavours, maybe with more than one steeping is a requirement? If so that is a bit annoying, I will have to get some flavours I can use straight away, and some others that can go in some new bottles to steep for however long they need.

 

[Semi Reduction]

Haaa mate I feel for you. If you're getting no flavour from drippers, maybe you and the other half's taste buds are shot.
You don't drink methylated spirits (denatured alcohol) and cola in the evenings do you?
Do you have a history of inhaling chrome spray paint?

Hope you find something tangy enough to satisfy the cringe mate.

 

[VinceV1]

Flavourt Art : up to 6%
Capella : up to 15%
Flavour West : up to 15%
Flavour Apprentice : no general rule. From 0.5% to 20%
Lorann : up to 15%

 

[conanthewarrior]

Haaa mate I feel for you. If you're getting no flavour from drippers, maybe you and the other half's taste buds are shot.
You don't drink methylated spirits (denatured alcohol) and cola in the evenings do you?
Do you have a history of inhaling chrome spray paint?

Hope you find something tangy enough to satisfy the cringe mate.

I do have a history of severe alcoholism, which lead to a seizure and brain damage? Could that of also affecte my taste?

 

[Semi Reduction]

I do have a history of severe alcoholism, which lead to a seizure and brain damage? Could that of also affecte my taste?

To be honest I couldn't really tell you. I was just joking with the previous comments, but I drink pretty much every day. About a bottle and a half of wine. I still get decent flavour, but I'm oblivious as to whether it effects my taste buds. I can tell you that I get decent flavour from my mixes. I'm pretty much exclusively using flavour art these days, which are on the milder side, but I'm really enjoying them and they seem to be refining my taste buds. I'd recommend trying some Capella concentrates. They're very sweet, however they are generally used at between 10-15% so I suppose they should be. Definitely strong flavours though.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Ok, realising this my next order, not this saturday but next payday, I will spend a pretty penny on quite a few flavours, and will get the 30ML bottles instead if I do need to use upwards of 15% sometimes.

I am using a bubble gum flavour at the moment, I can actually taste this at 10%!

Someone commented don't be afraid to use sweetener, what type of sweetener is this? Is it like splenda or a special vape safe mix?

 

[Zamazam]

Ethyl Maltiol, 10% Solution. Add a few drips at first to a 5 or 10 ml bottle to gauge your sweetness level

 

[mjag]

I had mentioned the sweetener before, you can use either TFA Sweetener which I believe is Sucralose based or Capella Super Sweet which I think is pretty much the same thing. I have heard of people using liquid Stevia as well but haven't tried it my-self. I use Ethyl Maltol as well but it is a little different than just sweetener.

I was skeptical about steeping too and for most FA mixes it is not needed much. I just made a mix yesterday with FA Cookie 1.5%, Butterscotch 0.5% and Vienna Cream 0.5% in a max VG blend. I shake and vaped and got really good flavor without any steeping, still have some in my RDA and it tastes the same today. It is not a ton of flavor but it is really nice, might try the same with the flavors doubled.

The Gambit V2 clone: http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/66928/gambit+v2 Really benefited from steeping. When I first made it I shake and vaped and thought, huh, this is just ok, not great like the reviews say. Put it in my cupboard for a couple of weeks and shook occasionally and when I finally got around to trying it again it was awesome, that's when I learned the value of steeping.

It is the more complex recipes that require more steeping usually. High VG I would suppose as well since VG is not a good a carrier or flavors like PG is,this is why almost all flavor is PG based.

 

[conanthewarrior]

I had mentioned the sweetener before, you can use either TFA Sweetener which I believe is Sucralose based or Capella Super Sweet which I think is pretty much the same thing. I have heard of people using liquid Stevia as well but haven't tried it my-self. I use Ethyl Maltol as well but it is a little different than just sweetener.

I was skeptical about steeping too and for most FA mixes it is not needed much. I just made a mix yesterday with FA Cookie 1.5%, Butterscotch 0.5% and Vienna Cream 0.5% in a max VG blend. I shake and vaped and got really good flavor without any steeping, still have some in my RDA and it tastes the same today. It is not a ton of flavor but it is really nice, might try the same with the flavors doubled.

The Gambit V2 clone: http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/66928/gambit+v2 Really benefited from steeping. When I first made it I shake and vaped and thought, huh, this is just ok, not great like the reviews say. Put it in my cupboard for a couple of weeks and shook occasionally and when I finally got around to trying it again it was awesome, that's when I learned the value of steeping.

It is the more complex recipes that require more steeping usually. High VG I would suppose as well since VG is not a good a carrier or flavors like PG is,this is why almost all flavor is PG based.

See, I am not making complex recipes. You used 2.5% flavour, and got great flavour.

Note to self-remember not all concentrates are the same. I had a caramel coffee by I THINK FA earlier today, I made it at 10%. I thought MMM I can just detect the caramel coffee, lets add 5% more. At 15% it stopped tasting of coffee as much and now tastes like garlic if I breathe through my nose. Lucky I like garlic, but I will remember this one only needes 5-10%, or it ruins it.

 

[scarecrowjenkins]

For me 10% has always worked well. I mix 8oz (235ml) at a time in a glass bottle. At the very LEAST i let it sit for 3 days. If i try to vape it any sooner then i can't taste anything. After about 3 days it comes alive and taste wonderful. Here's exactly how i do it, maybe it'll help you:
~i pour the nicotine base into the bottle
~then i pour the flavoring into the bottle
~then i swirl the two together for a good 3-4 minutes
~i fill the bottle halfway with VG
~then i shake the living shit out of it
~then i fill the bottle 3/4 of the way
~shake the living shit out of it again
~then top it off and shake it for a good 3-4 minutes.
~then i let it sit with the cap OFF overnight.
~in the morning i put the cap on, and give it a little shake everytime i go into the kitchen for the next couple of days. After that it tastes awesome. If there was no truth at all to steeping, then thousands of people wouldn't be doing it haha, so you gotta have a little trust in the process! Try mixing more than 10ml at a time, you might have better results. This is the calculator i use and it has always worked well for me:
http://www.todmuller.com/ejuice/ejuice.php

 

[conanthewarrior]

For me 10% has always worked well. I mix 8oz (235ml) at a time in a glass bottle. At the very LEAST i let it sit for 3 days. If i try to vape it any sooner then i can't taste anything. After about 3 days it comes alive and taste wonderful. Here's exactly how i do it, maybe it'll help you:
~i pour the nicotine base into the bottle
~then i pour the flavoring into the bottle
~then i swirl the two together for a good 3-4 minutes
~i fill the bottle halfway with VG
~then i shake the living shit out of it
~then i fill the bottle 3/4 of the way
~shake the living shit out of it again
~then top it off and shake it for a good 3-4 minutes.
~then i let it sit with the cap OFF overnight.
~in the morning i put the cap on, and give it a little shake everytime i go into the kitchen for the next couple of days. After that it tastes awesome. If there was no truth at all to steeping, then thousands of people wouldn't be doing it haha, so you gotta have a little trust in the process! Try mixing more than 10ml at a time, you might have better results. This is the calculator i use and it has always worked well for me:
http://www.todmuller.com/ejuice/ejuice.php

Thats the same calculator I use, quite good isn't it.

I have a big problem. I made a blueberry muffin flavour, straight from the bottle, and it also tastes like garlic.

I changed the wick as I was like WTF? But it STILL tastes like garlic. Not just the caramel cappucino, but another flavour now tastes like garlic.

Anyone got any idea what the hell is going on? I have not eaten garlic for ages, I cleaned the coil as well with a dry burn and damp cloth, tried another dripper, but it tastes like bloody garlic, not coffee or blueberry muffin!

 

[conanthewarrior]

Ok I tried one other dripper, it tasted fine.

But my el cabron and my mutation both taste like garlic. I think its time for a coil change as soon as the kanthal I ordered arrrives.

I am using the mutation mini and the blue berry tastes fine, I will try the capucino after to make sure it is not me.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Ok, its 100% the caramel cappucino, I used too much. I will stick to 10% max from now on with that one, I wrote on the bottle, it tasted like it at 10%, then at 15% it messed up and tastes like bloody garlic. I wanted a stronger flavour, but guess I need to stick to just 10% and have it a little weaker.

I only made 15ML, as I make up as I need it, so I am going to throw it as it is unvapeable. I am going to remake it with 10 percent max.

I think I may of accidentally got used to over strong flavours, using too much flavour when I began, and have continued this habit. I guess my tongue needs to get used to less flavour before I detect it more.

 

[conanthewarrior]

For me 10% has always worked well. I mix 8oz (235ml) at a time in a glass bottle. At the very LEAST i let it sit for 3 days. If i try to vape it any sooner then i can't taste anything. After about 3 days it comes alive and taste wonderful. Here's exactly how i do it, maybe it'll help you:
~i pour the nicotine base into the bottle
~then i pour the flavoring into the bottle
~then i swirl the two together for a good 3-4 minutes
~i fill the bottle halfway with VG
~then i shake the living shit out of it
~then i fill the bottle 3/4 of the way
~shake the living shit out of it again
~then top it off and shake it for a good 3-4 minutes.
~then i let it sit with the cap OFF overnight.
~in the morning i put the cap on, and give it a little shake everytime i go into the kitchen for the next couple of days. After that it tastes awesome. If there was no truth at all to steeping, then thousands of people wouldn't be doing it haha, so you gotta have a little trust in the process! Try mixing more than 10ml at a time, you might have better results. This is the calculator i use and it has always worked well for me:
http://www.todmuller.com/ejuice/ejuice.php

Very true, thousands of people would not do it would they lol. I will give your process a go, but I only have 5 15ML bottles and about 7 10 ML bottles, I usually make when I need it, like running out of one, I make one, it sits for about an hour, I shake the shit out of it though, and it has always been fine before. Today, it messed up bigtime lol.


EDIT: I made a 70vg/30PG, chocolate fudge, around 7%. I can taste it. No garlic. Problem sorted, I will leave that over night before using, but it already tastes of what it is meant to, just overnight it will mix together more I guess.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Ethyl Maltiol, 10% Solution. Add a few drips at first to a 5 or 10 ml bottle to gauge your sweetness level

I have had a look today, it looks like the juice sellers in this country do sell it, but in powder form. I guess I would add say a little pinch at a time untill it is at a sweetness I like?

Does anyone know the effects of vaping on teeth? My fiancee asked this the other day, if it could damage teeth with the sweet flavours, I couldn't actually answer her, I said I don't think so but I will get a definitive answer for you.

With me, I put the drip tip in past my teeth, near my tongue, she puts it in front of her teeth, but with them apart.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

If its TFA Caramel cappuccino and you used it at 10-15% your lucky to be alive. That is the strongest flavor Ive ever tasted. I use it a 1-2 drops per 10ml and its still strong.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[conanthewarrior]

If its TFA Caramel cappuccino and you used it at 10-15% your lucky to be alive. That is the strongest flavor Ive ever tasted. I use it a 1-2 drops per 10ml and its still strong.

Cheers,
Steve

Yeah thats the one I used lol. No wonder it tasted messed up. Chefs vapour sell an amazing coffee flavour, that is VERY strong, that I really like. I think in my next order I will get that. They are called chefs choice, they are not made by them, but flavours the creators find to be the best, although they do produce their own as well.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

You may have to burn the atty and scrape your tongue after that

 

[Zamazam]

I have had a look today, it looks like the juice sellers in this country do sell it, but in powder form. I guess I would add say a little pinch at a time untill it is at a sweetness I like?

Does anyone know the effects of vaping on teeth? My fiancee asked this the other day, if it could damage teeth with the sweet flavours, I couldn't actually answer her, I said I don't think so but I will get a definitive answer for you.

With me, I put the drip tip in past my teeth, near my tongue, she puts it in front of her teeth, but with them apart.

mix it up by weight, 10% to Straight warmed up VG. No to the teeth damage from eliquid. Still have to brush and floss though

 

[Dixie1954]

Another thing to add is that your taste buds will come back and when that happens you will be like OMG that stuff is strong!!! You can also train your buds to taste using a bit less flavoring each time you make a mix too - it works.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Another thing to add is that your taste buds will come back and when that happens you will be like OMG that stuff is strong!!! You can also train your buds to taste using a bit less flavoring each time you make a mix too - it works.

I am hoping this is what will happen, as I must of been using overly-strong flavours for the past 4-5 months lol.

I hope that my tongue gets used to a lower level of flavour, and can detect it. It shouldn't be smoke, as I haven't smoked in over 9 months, maybe we are just weird and thats why me and her match so good lol.

 

[conanthewarrior]

You may have to burn the atty and scrape your tongue after that

Yeah I had to wash the RDA completely with dishsoap to get rid of it. That was the most horrific mistake I have made.

If its TFA Caramel cappuccino and you used it at 10-15% your lucky to be alive. That is the strongest flavor Ive ever tasted. I use it a 1-2 drops per 10ml and its still strong.

Cheers,
Steve

Steve, I just realised mine has a blue Logo and says 'Flavours apprentice' is this different to 'The flavours apprentice"? I believe you may be right though, and this is a strong flavour. I have labelled the bottle use 5%-10% max, otherwise I will forget and do it again. Lucky I only made 15ML of the stuff.

If I let that steep, I think it would be good for protecting me at night from bats that can transform into humans with large teeth, and a tendency to like biting necks, but it would be and even STRONGER garlic flavour, that would probably make me vomit.

I like garlic, I do eat it, but in a vape it was just completely WRONG! I also did not get how too much juice changed it from tasting of caramel and coffee, to bloody garlic lol

 

[pulsevape]

yeah this is something I don't see people address...juice recepies are handed out with assumptions..big assumptions...I don't know how anybody can use a recepie without taking into account the PG/VG ratio if you use a very high VG ratio alot of these recepies don't make sense.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

The only difference I'm aware of using a high VG ratio is the mix will taste a tad sweeter. High VG mixes might take a touch longer to incorporate, but that's about it imo. I don't use different flavoring percentages based on PG/VG ratios.

Cheers,
Steve

Edit I wasn't exaggerating when I said to use Caramel Cappuccino at 1-2 drops per 10ml. It's pretty good at that percentage. It gets nasty quick when adding any more

 

[pulsevape]

VG just doesn't carry flavor as well as PG regardless of steep time...the deilema of those of us who have PG sensitivity...a 50/50 mix of ejuice will have robust flavor, whereas a 90/10 mix will have a much more subdued flavor....for instnace a NET extracted in PG will only require a 10-12% flavoring for a bottle of juice whereas a VG based extract may take as much as 25-30% flavoring.

 

[conanthewarrior]

VG just doesn't carry flavor as well as PG regardless of steep time...the deilema of those of us who have PG sensitivity...a 50/50 mix of ejuice will have robust flavor, whereas a 90/10 mix will have a much more subdued flavor....for instnace a NET extracted in PG will only require a 10-12% flavoring for a bottle of juice whereas a VG based extract may take as much as 25-30% flavoring.

Ahh, alll of my flavours are PG, I don't seem to have a sensitivity to it, so I am quite lucky there.

I use a 70/30 mix vg PG.

 

[conanthewarrior]

I've got it! I used a comlpetely unflavoured e juice for a day, that tasted of abolutely NOTHING, I would of expected some sweetness from the vg or pg, but nope, it was such a strange sensation, the vape coming in, and NOTHING at all, it was then I realised I COULD actually taste, I just needed to get used to lower amounts.

I used that bottle up, and found out about 'Vapers tongue'. I tried a 'cure' for it, shock your buds and senses, by using strong menthol as they recommended, and smelling coffee grounds.

It worked.

I can now detect all my juices at 5%, this caramel cappucino is still a bit too strong at only 2%! It's got a hint of that garlic I was talking about, but actually tastes sweet! I will try just 1% next time, as this must be a super strong concentrate, and I have read that some caramel cappucinos ARE super strong, like couple of drips to the bottle strong.

I am using 'FA' (Not flavour art, it's flavour apprentice, I always thought FA meant flavour apprentice, I did not know about flavour art) and I guess this is also a strong one.

My concentrates are going to last so much longer, and I can full on taste the flavour now, its actually amazing.

I had been using super strong mixes accidentally from the beginning. I just had to take a few days for my tongue to get back to normal.

 

[Heabob]

Good for you, finding the problem and not giving up...

All the Coffee, Capp, and Tiramisu flavors are super strong and only need 2-3 drops IMO.

 

[VinceV1]

I am using 'FA' (Not flavour art, it's flavour apprentice, I always thought FA meant flavour apprentice, I did not know about flavour art) and I guess this is also a strong one.

FA : Flavour Art
TFA : The Flavor Apprentice

 

[Jimi]

the new bottles [symbol] for the flavor apprentice is Fa is what I was told, confusing but its the small case letter a that makes the difference they say.

 

[Dixie1954]

Yes I have seen that too but for new people I think we still need the *T* no one is going to go through every recipe and change that - are you??

 

[Jimi]

Yes I have seen that too but for new people I think we still need the *T* no one is going to go through every recipe and change that - are you??

I think we need the [T] too it makes for less confusion!

 

[Heabob]

I agree, if they were going to change labels why not use "PA" instead.
At least it would be less confusing.