New stimulus bill has e-cig and vaping products restrictions.

[tae111]

Just read that this is in the new stimulus bill

Restricting access to e-cigarettes​

Incoming House Appropriations Chair Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.) secured a win with the inclusion of legislation that requires in-person age verification when online purchases of e-cigarette and vaping products are delivered. Sounds like the US Mail, UPS, and FedEx will have to start carding people receiving these packages.

 

[Ms. Trixy]

Tae, you may want to change the title of this thread to something like "Senate now requires in person Vape Mail Delivery". "Stimulus Bill" is too broad and may open discussion on more than just the bill.

Good topic, though!

 

[Ms. Trixy]

Do you have the link to the article? How will vape mail be determined with USPS, UPS, FedEx?

 

[tae111]

Tae, you may want to change the title of this thread to something like "Senate now requires in person Vape Mail Delivery". "Stimulus Bill" is too broad and may open discussion on more than just the bill.

Good topic, though!

Got it

 

[tae111]

Do you have the link to the article? How will vape mail be determined with USPS, UPS, FedEx?

Breaking down the $900B stimulus package and $1.4T omnibus bill - POLITICO

 

[Vape Fan]

Using COVID-19, Congress Bans USPS Vape Shipping - American Vaping Association

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Earlier today, the text of a 5,500+ page package of COVID-19 stimulus, government funding, and tax extenders was released by committees in the U.S. Congress. This comes just hours before members are expected to vote for the package to become law. Buried in this massive bill is...

vaping.org

And here's what a US online juice manufacturer sent me:

The cost to order vape juice online is going up a LOT in 120 days. This affects us and EVERY SINGLE online vapor vendor. Here's the reason why. "...the MINIMAL shipping charge per order will be at LEAST $21."​ As part of the omnibus bill (the budget bill that passed to keep the government running) congress slipped in a rider that we've heard about before - they are banning USPS from shipping your vape mail. If you're not in the industry, you may not realize just how bad this is. Here's how it affects you: USPS is the lowest cost shipping provider for small packets. A USPS Priority Padded Envelope ships anywhere in the country for $8. A similar shipment via UPS can cost anywhere from $12-$20. The cost to ship your order is literally doubling for no reason. But wait, there's more. It also requires us to register with the ATF in compliance with the Preventing All Cigarette Trafficking act. Along with an enormous paperwork burden, this law requires adult signature confirmation upon delivery. This is an added service that costs an additional $7. Because of that, the MINIMAL shipping charge per order will be at LEAST $21. And it will only cost more as the package weight increases. For those of you who order enough to get free shipping, the free shipping threshold will have to be WAY higher to remain viable for us to stay in business.

 

[CaFF]

Do you have the link to the article? How will vape mail be determined with USPS, UPS, FedEx?

Here is an article that links for the 5,000+ page PDF. Ironically, the vape provisions are at the end of it...

Trump Signs Budget Bill with Vape Mail Ban Included

President Trump has signed a law that bans the USPS from shipping vaping products and requires taxes to be collected by online vendors.

vaping360.com

But the “Preventing Online Sales of E-Cigarettes to Children Act” does much more than ending vape mail. The new law will force shippers of nicotine and cannabis vaping products to comply with the Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking (PACT) Act, which imposes stringent rules on online sellers. (The PACT Act is part of the larger federal Jenkins Act.)


Online retailers will be required to:

• Register with the U.S. Attorney General
• Verify age of customers using a commercially available database
• Use private shipping services that collect an adult signature at the point of delivery
• If selling in states that tax vaping products, sellers must register with the federal government and with the tobacco tax administrators of the states
• Collect all applicable local and state taxes, and affix any required tax stamps to the products sold
• Send each taxing state’s tax administrator a list of all transactions with customers in their state, including the names and addresses of each customer sold to, and the quantities and type of each product sold
• Maintain records for five years of any “delivery interrupted because the carrier or service determines or has reason to believe that the person ordering the delivery is in violation of the [PACT Act]”

Sellers who do not register or don’t comply with the shipping and reporting rules of the PACT Act are subject to severe penalties, including up to three years in prison.


“If the increase in shipping costs wasn’t enough, the bill also imposes huge paperwork burdens on small retailers, and backs it up with threats of imprisonment for even innocent mistakes,” American Vaping Association President Gregory Conley said in a statement. “This is not a law designed to regulate the mail-order sale of vaping products to adults; it’s an attempt to eliminate it.”

FedEx has stated they will comply with it, UPS...IDK but I doubt they would want to be the odd man out.

You cannot fight the PACT Act.

FWIW: VU is a massivly SEO forum, by design. I'd get rid of the 'vape mail section' if I were ya'll...fact is the spies for Antis have been infil vape forums for years. Now, there could be felony charges for those caught violating. Make no mistake, VU is not 'underground', it is not on the "dark net", it is in plain text, public, and trawled by many bots and stealth users for content. Every word is indexed by Google.

The 'Net Remembers All...and the U.S. Gov't invented and controls it, as far as Merricans are concerned.
When I was a smoker and ordered bulk loose tobacco online long ago, I was on tobacco rights forums trying to fight it's criminalization...guess how that went?

~ Semper Vigilatus

 

[SteveS45]

Due to the Covid-19 Restrictions UPS, FedEx and USPS No longer require signatures so this is just another waste of Tax Payer Dollars to write this. You do not even sign a Credit Card any longer except for prescriptions.

 

[Synphul]

As I understand it cuts out shipping all things vape (juice, nic or not, mods, atties etc). At least to end users. Shops with a proper resale license on file etc doing business can still get product from suppliers and wholesalers. Many are trying to fight it but I don't see that playing well. It's not a new piece of legislation just an amendment to the Jenkins act. Prohibiting the mailing of tobacco to end users and been in law for 70yrs. This just updates it to include ecigs. We could try to fight to separate ecigs and cigs but Njoy/Soterra fucked us when they fought to have ecigs classed as 'tobacco' products. We got what we sued for, now we don't want that. Even if it were remotely possible to protest it, the outcome would be allowing vaping nicotine products to be shipped for customers but not cigarette/tobacco nicotine products to be shipped through the mail. I'm sure big tobacco would sit idly by along with all their lobbyists and not complain about that at all. Getting government to relinquish control once they have it, I'd rather try to pull a Copperfield and try to make the statue of liberty disappear or something (in spite of zero training in magic performance). It'd be a more achievable goal.

 

[Carambrda]

and try to make the statue of liberty disappear or something

Lower Manhattan is already starting to sink into the Atlantic. Just wait a couple more decades.