So what are your thoughts?
I like both the orange and the gun metal so I'm ordering the blue and black to complete the set.
Wife also decided she wanted the gun metal one to match her grey cubis tank.
So another order....
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So what are your thoughts?
I like both the orange and the gun metal so I'm ordering the blue and black to complete the set.
Wife also decided she wanted the gun metal one to match her grey cubis tank.
So another order....
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I received the blue and grey on Friday from a vendor on ebay and I have an orange one from ecig.com that I just got a delivery notice for and I'm thinking about getting the black one to complete the set since it's only $45 at ecig.com.
From playing around all weekend with the 2 I got on Friday, I absolutely love these mods. I've only used them in power mode so far but the pre-heat feature with lower ohm builds is a god send, I get the ramp up I need for the first .15 seconds and then down to normal wattage and the result is bliss.
Battery life is phenomenal as well, I vaped the hell out of both mods on Sat and Sun, both had Griffin 25's on top with .20 ohm fused clapton builds in them and put the batteries in each morning at 10AM and by the time I went to bed at 1AM, they both used just half of the battery capacity in each one.
Even if TC ends up being a complete flop, these are sensational in power mode and for $45 each, I'm not complaining considering these are giving my SX Mini M Class a run for it's money in power mode.
My girl got hers and I got to play with it this weekend. It does do TC but not as well as some other mods I have. I put my Boreas on it with a dual Notch coil set up and while it vaped nice in tc you could definitely tell it was a little off. I agree that this mod definitely shines in power mode. It hits hard. I also ran the Crown with a ni200 coil and again it vapes ok but something is just a little off. Then I put Crown on it with the .25 SS coil and it vaped horribly in tc but to be fair a lot of mods have trouble with that coil in tc because I believe it uses nickel legs. So I put it in TCR mode and ran it at .0125 just like I do on my Ipv5 and it vaped beautifully. So, for tc it's not the best mod out there but the power mode is pretty awesome. Anyway, that's my take on it.
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LOL, Holy crap
Too late. I was on their site this morning getting ready to place my next order and between putting the black model in my cart and clicking check out, they went out of stock. Only on the black on though, they still have blue, orange, and gun metal.
I agree 100%
Since 99.9% of the time I run in power mode, I am ok with this.
Sure it could be considered defective or false advertisement but I didn't buy it for it's TC mode.
It's only getting better. haha
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Figures, of all the colors I figured that would be the last one to sell out, LOL. Oh well, I can wait a little bit for a black one since I have the 3 other colors. Worst case, there's ebay for a few dollars more.
Wow, I may have to see about cancelling and ordering elsewhere if I don't get an update by the time I hit the one-month mark in a couple days...
I'd cancel and order a mod that actually does what it advertises made by a company that doesn't threaten reviewers who tell the truth about it. Check out the review above. I wouldn't order anything made by them. I'm not a fan of being lied to.
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Agreed, even at that price I am still not a buyer. It's really just a glorified VW mod with 2 year old tech in it.. I can rattle off a half dozen mods that do TC better for the same if not better price. I just don't understand what the attraction to this mod is all about. I think I would take a Smok Primus over this thing because at least it does what it says it does even if it does look like a cheese grater.
You would expect Sigelei to fix the problems of the original 213 in the Fuchai, but nooo they made it even worst.
Don't buy Sigelei mods and don't buy their batteries either.
Don't buy Sigelei mods and don't buy their batteries either.
It really is a shame because I loved their 150 TC and their 75w TC mod. They're well built and I still use both of them.
The competition makes 200W mods so lets choose a random number above 200 and give it to our mod.
It's just a random number, not the wattage or anything.
It's one thing to make a mod that only reaches it's advertised wattage at a very specific resistance, but when it doesn't not even close, plus has various bugs and problems and has no software upgradability, it tells me there's something wrong with the manufacturer, not to mention the way they reacted about being found out.
It's just a random number, not the wattage or anything.
It's one thing to make a mod that only reaches it's advertised wattage at a very specific resistance, but when it doesn't not even close, plus has various bugs and problems and has no software upgradability, it tells me there's something wrong with the manufacturer, not to mention the way they reacted about being found out.
Understood, and that's great for you but what about all the people that thought they were getting a proper TC mod?
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It doesn't kill in VW other than having a preheat. It stuck well under it's rated power output. Not build dependant. But actually limited well under it.
I get the point though. It's a well crafted, small, light, long lasting and flexible power mod. But I guess the question would be for people still getting the Fuchia. Is why continue to a company that is selling a broken device, while lying to their customers, and threatening reviewers with lawsuits when they point out the problems the device has?
I mean my 213 actually does half way decent TC, I don't chain vape anywhere near enough to stairstep the temp to uncomfortable level, I don't vape much past 100w on occasion and nothing near the ~155 limit. It's actually a pretty decent device for what I am using it for, I was thinking of getting a few Fuchia's for backups. But I questioned some of the FB statements they were giving customers and then the threats to daniel started. No more. Sig isn't getting a dime from me again. So where do you draw the line?
Enough good companies around.
If Sigelei can't behave and stop lying, screw them.
If Sigelei can't behave and stop lying, screw them.
We can debate this for months on end. It really boils down to a few things.
The mod looks great, comes in great color choices, compact and light, and works.
Sure it doesn't work as advertised.
But for those of us that have purchased them;
1. I personally did not believe they'd have ANY luck with this bully-ish lawsuit threat.
2. I was bothered that they spent so much time pestering Daniel but until I read some of his later posts, I didn't think it actually bothered him all that much. I assumed he felt he could handle it. After reading that he actually felt threatened and was truly concerned I did however feel bad for him.
3. Me not buying something from a company will not shut them down.
4. You not buying something from them will not shut them down.
5. A few hundred people not buying from them will not shut them down.
6. If my enemy has a product that I want, I will purchase it from them. I may take alternate paths to get the product but I'd still be supporting them in one way or another by buying it. (think about imports and exports, entire countries that may even be at war still trade and such)
7. I am not intentionally supporting ANY manufacture, I am simply buying what I want.
8. Once you have the device, you learn its limitations and you adjust for it.
If the limitations out weigh the good features that the device offers, we'll stop using it.
We've all been warned (by an awesome reviewer) of the false advertisement, lies, and deceit that has taken place over this device.
We've each taken our own interest to heart in deciding if we want one. (or 4)
Any of us trying to tell anyone else they can't or shouldn't buy a product is no different than the entire FDA disaster.
We'll all do whatever we want and that's all there is to it.
Please do NOT take this wrong, I am NOT attacking YOU here, I am simply replying to ALL the posts stating we should not buy one because that would be supporting the company.
Daniel himself is still using the mod.
He used it in the following video of the Limitless Plus.
If I have offended anyone, sorry.
I just felt that someone at one point needed to say at least part of what I've said.
Many manufactures produce absolute shit products, advertise they do great things but don't, claim prices will be one amount but end up another.... too much to list.
As individuals we need to decide for our selves what we want and what we are willing to purchase.
I also agree we need to stick up for one another, but how does not purchasing a product stick up for Daniel?
If it caused Sigelei to go out of business, that'd mean that because a few individuals at a corporation that made piss poor choices would cause the job loss of many employees.
That's not how I want to stick up for a fellow vapor.
The particular people who caused Daniel the headache are whom we need to direct our anger at, not the entire business.
rant over
The mod looks great, comes in great color choices, compact and light, and works.
Sure it doesn't work as advertised.
But for those of us that have purchased them;
1. I personally did not believe they'd have ANY luck with this bully-ish lawsuit threat.
2. I was bothered that they spent so much time pestering Daniel but until I read some of his later posts, I didn't think it actually bothered him all that much. I assumed he felt he could handle it. After reading that he actually felt threatened and was truly concerned I did however feel bad for him.
3. Me not buying something from a company will not shut them down.
4. You not buying something from them will not shut them down.
5. A few hundred people not buying from them will not shut them down.
6. If my enemy has a product that I want, I will purchase it from them. I may take alternate paths to get the product but I'd still be supporting them in one way or another by buying it. (think about imports and exports, entire countries that may even be at war still trade and such)
7. I am not intentionally supporting ANY manufacture, I am simply buying what I want.
8. Once you have the device, you learn its limitations and you adjust for it.
If the limitations out weigh the good features that the device offers, we'll stop using it.
We've all been warned (by an awesome reviewer) of the false advertisement, lies, and deceit that has taken place over this device.
We've each taken our own interest to heart in deciding if we want one. (or 4)
Any of us trying to tell anyone else they can't or shouldn't buy a product is no different than the entire FDA disaster.
We'll all do whatever we want and that's all there is to it.
Please do NOT take this wrong, I am NOT attacking YOU here, I am simply replying to ALL the posts stating we should not buy one because that would be supporting the company.
Daniel himself is still using the mod.
He used it in the following video of the Limitless Plus.
I just felt that someone at one point needed to say at least part of what I've said.
Many manufactures produce absolute shit products, advertise they do great things but don't, claim prices will be one amount but end up another.... too much to list.
As individuals we need to decide for our selves what we want and what we are willing to purchase.
I also agree we need to stick up for one another, but how does not purchasing a product stick up for Daniel?
If it caused Sigelei to go out of business, that'd mean that because a few individuals at a corporation that made piss poor choices would cause the job loss of many employees.
That's not how I want to stick up for a fellow vapor.
The particular people who caused Daniel the headache are whom we need to direct our anger at, not the entire business.
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I look at it this way, I'm helping a vendor that l like (ecig.com)get rid of a bullshit device...in Dlsb vapes voice...Only been using a couple days never above 80 watts mostly 50-60. l just like the way it looks and feels. Hits like Barry Bonds too..For 40 bucks it's not a bad deal...
I look at it like this. If you knowingly choose to support a company that lies to you, threatens reviewers when they tell, the truth, then come out with a new version that they say is fixed but isn't. You then lose the right to expect the equipment you buy will work as advertised. I mean you are sending them a message that, that type of behavior is acceptable.
Let's be honest here, not hitting it advertised wattage is bad enough. Not working right in TC can be downright dangerous. Ti01 and Ni200 are TC wire only for a reason, they are bad for you if heated past a certain point. I refuse to support those business practices and quite frankly I'm surprised anyone in our community would choose too.
Let's be honest here, not hitting it advertised wattage is bad enough. Not working right in TC can be downright dangerous. Ti01 and Ni200 are TC wire only for a reason, they are bad for you if heated past a certain point. I refuse to support those business practices and quite frankly I'm surprised anyone in our community would choose too.
agreed.
Also agreed 100%. If I were one that used TC, I would definitely NOT purchase this device. Neither version for that matter.
But since I purchased it to use in power mode, the only thing I have to do is NOT expect to get 213 watts (no intent there) and increase the wattage by about 5 watts from what I'd normally use because it tends to hit weaker than my other good mods.
I will indeed advise anyone that uses TC that this device is NOT for them.
Do people still think that a dual 18650 mod is capable of doing more than 140 watts
80% of the manufacturers have been lying about that for along time. The snow wolf was one of the first to start that BS.
80% of the manufacturers have been lying about that for along time. The snow wolf was one of the first to start that BS.
Not a debate I want to get into because too many have their own opinions and try to argue both sides.
However, I personally do not and will not be running any mod that high even if it were to be capable.
My Hohm Wrecker G2 has some pretty wicked claims but I cannot vouch for any of them yet because it too has not arrived.
I can say that is it turns out to do at least half of what it claims, I'll probably order the entire set.
Not because I can use them all at once and not because I need them.
Simply because I may want them and they'd look great on my display shelf.
However, I personally do not and will not be running any mod that high even if it were to be capable.
My Hohm Wrecker G2 has some pretty wicked claims but I cannot vouch for any of them yet because it too has not arrived.
I can say that is it turns out to do at least half of what it claims, I'll probably order the entire set.
Not because I can use them all at once and not because I need them.
Simply because I may want them and they'd look great on my display shelf.
Yeah like I've said in other threads about this exact topic, its really none of my business what other people buy, spend their money on, or vape. I have no dog in that fight. However, that being said it seems like Sigelei has turned into Pioneer4you overnight. They went from a very respectable company with a good reputation to a POS company in no time. Right now they occupy the same space that Smok does for me. I will not buy another Smok or Sigelei until I see some real world opinions. To sell a mod that doesn't quite meet the power specifications and doesn't do TC properly is deplorable. The 213 watts thing doesn't bother me as much because as its been noted a lot of comapnies do it. The difference is most companies come close. I mean even Phil Bussardo gives them a 10% cushion. To exaggerate the wattage by almost 60 watts is indeed shameful. Not doing tc properly is a bigger issue for me. Not only is it a disgusting practice but if you have people using ni200 coils it could in fact be dangerous. The argument that you don't vape in TC or you'll just make the proper adjustments is a straw man argument as well. The only way an industry grows is by creating standards. Those standards are then met and often surpassed and that's how an industry grows. Sigelei didn't do that with this mod. They put out a bad mod and then claimed to have fixed it with another mod that came in cheaper. That's just way out of line in my book. I'm not even bringing up all the people that vape in TC and bought the original 213 and got totally screwed at a much higher price. Yeah its a good looking mod but who cares if it doesn't perform? I just think there are way to many great mods out there at that price point to reward Sigelei with my business. Will me not buying the mod put them out of business? Absolutely not but if enough people refuse to put up with these kinds of business practices then they will at some point be forced to either build a mod that people want or perish.
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You are indeed correct in the fact that me and everyone else purchasing this mod that doesn't do what it is supposed to do and if used in TC can be dangerous is allowing them to continue to produce and sell bad products.
I will agree with that.
However, I want the mod.
If I were to choose to not buy it in hopes that no one else did so that we could teach the manufacture that we are not going to allow them to produce shit, well, I'd be wrong.
Many will buy it.
For those that know what is wrong with it and use it accordingly, the safety factor is removed.
But we'd still be allowing the manufacture to sell us shit.
Well, I don't know what to say about that.
I want it.
So the unfortunate thing about all this is that me and many like me who want to device even though it isn't what they claim it is, we are all preventing all of those who want to teach the manufacture a lesson.
I am sorry that I am not helping with that, but I don't know how else I can get what I want at the same time of you getting what you want.
Maybe not you personally, just those that want to TRY to teach them a lesson.
They've already proven that they cannot nor will not fix the problem with these.
Evidently they lack the knowledge required to do so.
I figure I work hard for my money and I should be able to spend it on whatever I want.
I DO see your point of how I and others like me are not helping the vape community by standing up for the entire team.
Then again, no one is providing me with the hardware I want so I have to get it myself.
The real point I am trying to make it that I do fully understand what you are saying but can't stop myself from buying new hardware.
I just must have it.
Sorry if that makes me not a team player.
I will agree with that.
However, I want the mod.
If I were to choose to not buy it in hopes that no one else did so that we could teach the manufacture that we are not going to allow them to produce shit, well, I'd be wrong.
Many will buy it.
For those that know what is wrong with it and use it accordingly, the safety factor is removed.
But we'd still be allowing the manufacture to sell us shit.
Well, I don't know what to say about that.
I want it.
So the unfortunate thing about all this is that me and many like me who want to device even though it isn't what they claim it is, we are all preventing all of those who want to teach the manufacture a lesson.
I am sorry that I am not helping with that, but I don't know how else I can get what I want at the same time of you getting what you want.
Maybe not you personally, just those that want to TRY to teach them a lesson.
They've already proven that they cannot nor will not fix the problem with these.
Evidently they lack the knowledge required to do so.
I figure I work hard for my money and I should be able to spend it on whatever I want.
I DO see your point of how I and others like me are not helping the vape community by standing up for the entire team.
Then again, no one is providing me with the hardware I want so I have to get it myself.
The real point I am trying to make it that I do fully understand what you are saying but can't stop myself from buying new hardware.
I just must have it.
Sorry if that makes me not a team player.
Nope, I never said that. In fact in my first sentence I basically say that its none of my business how anyone spends their money. I don't think that if you buy the 213 that your not being a team player. Lets face it, the vape community is really not that big and things travel like wild fire. My whole point was once Sigelei sees the sales #'s they are going to make a decision. Stay on the same path or starighten out. This may not be the mod that makes them straighten out but if they release another like this and then say another. Sooner or later people are going to stop buying no matter how good the mod looks or feels. That was the only point I was trying to make. I think people should vape what works for them.
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You make some very valid points.
My apologies for miswording my post implying you were saying something you didn't.
I understood what you said, I just got carried away typing.
We do indeed need to do something to help Sigelei understand that we want hardware that does what they claim it will.
I could help more if they didn't make one that just looked so damn good.
haha
My apologies for miswording my post implying you were saying something you didn't.
I understood what you said, I just got carried away typing.
We do indeed need to do something to help Sigelei understand that we want hardware that does what they claim it will.
I could help more if they didn't make one that just looked so damn good.
haha
Totally understand. She is one sexy mod. Besides we're all here because we love to vape. What better place to have this discussion?
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Maybe a different lesson for mod manufacturers is to produce a mod that is well built, has a feature set (pre-heat no computer needed), looks good, small, good battery life, ext ect and people will buy it-since sigelei did just that and despite having over rated it power wise and having TC that doesn't seem to work for many. They obviously did a few things better than most to be able to have people buy them despite it's issues.
I mean the guy that was threatened and did the review obviously continued to use the damn thing-probably because it performs as a VW mod rather well.
Don't get me wrong they should produce a product that works as advertised but how many others have produced TC that isn't good, and overrated power ratings? I'd bet most of them. PFU, smok comes to mind right away.
If you don't want it-don't buy it?
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I mean the guy that was threatened and did the review obviously continued to use the damn thing-probably because it performs as a VW mod rather well.
Don't get me wrong they should produce a product that works as advertised but how many others have produced TC that isn't good, and overrated power ratings? I'd bet most of them. PFU, smok comes to mind right away.
If you don't want it-don't buy it?
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They didn't do anything any better than anybody else. Truth be told you can pick up an Ipv5 for under $40 and it outperforms the 213 in every category. I just think its human nature that most peolpe don't want to admit that they made a bad buy. So they justify it with all kinds of reasons that makes them feel good about their purchase. Like I siad before thats all good, vape what you like but the fact still remains that this mod is really not exceptional in any category except for maybe looks and feel. Again, none of my business how anyone vapes or spends their money but to call this a good mod in the overall spectrum of things is really misleading.
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Enjoy your 155 watt device w/out any firmware upgradability
I'll agree with this as well and include myself in this.
The ONLY area where the 213 outperforms the IPV5 is battery life.
(size and weight as well but not everyone wants a smaller, lighter mod)
Oh sure, that could have something to do with the fact that if you run the same wattage on the Sigelei Fuchai 213 as you would on the IPV5 you'd actually be running at a lower wattage....haha
But seriously, the 213 does have great battery life.
I was already impressed with the IPV5's battery life, but the 213 it a bit better.
I don't mind the 155 watt part but the lack up upgradability part does indeed piss me off.
Direct copy/paste from the following site is "Micro USB Charge and Update Port"
http://www.sigelei.com/goods.php?id=669
However during Daniel's review he shows it does not.
I have not taken any of mine apart nor do I intend to.
I'll just take his word for it.
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Some may justify a purchase, sure. However many have continued to buy it, even buy more than one despite it's known issues.
As for firmware updates-it's great that some mods have the ability. How many updates has PFU given it's customers?
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Lol, just because people buy something doesn't mean it is necessarily good or does what it's supposed to do. History is riddled with examples of that. As far as how many updates p4u does, who cares? The main point is that the capability is there. It's there and can easily correct any unforseen problems just like the 213 had. I have 2 rules I go by when buying a mod.
1.) I don't buy preorder anymore.
2.) I will never buy a mod that's not upgradeable.
No matter how good the mod looks this is a deal breaker for me. That's just me, everyone else has their own standards they adhere to.
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I think the upgradability is icing on the cake for the problems. Not having it is fine. If it had a small bug or two you have to work around and can't get an update for it so be it. But they told most parties it did have FW upgradeability, they even developed the board with it in mind. But decided before production to remove the IC's chips needed to accomplish it. Then the device has tons of bugs. Tons. Which without the FW that a lot of people thought they were getting at time of purchase (myself included) there is no chance to get the device to work even remotely like it should.
So, you don't care if they actually update it-as long as it's possible lol. Ok...seems strange.
And my point was simply that not all people "justify" their purchases, it's being bought despite its issues-so there are aspects to it that people seem to like. I don't make any money when they sell one...don't have a horse in this race. I do however like many of the aspects of the mod as a wattage device which is why I purchased it-knowing its issues. I doubt it's the inly mod with the ability to use a preheat function without a computer, but it's a factor in my decision to buy. Im on the Mac platform and have held off in dna200. I was in my local shop, he just got the 213 in, I played with it, knew it prob wouldn't TC well, didn't care as I rarely use TC and will even less with pre-heat.
If I came across as defending sigelei, wasn't my intention-simply saying If other manufacturers paid attention to the things they did well in this mod-and implemented them-it would be a good thing.
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And my point was simply that not all people "justify" their purchases, it's being bought despite its issues-so there are aspects to it that people seem to like. I don't make any money when they sell one...don't have a horse in this race. I do however like many of the aspects of the mod as a wattage device which is why I purchased it-knowing its issues. I doubt it's the inly mod with the ability to use a preheat function without a computer, but it's a factor in my decision to buy. Im on the Mac platform and have held off in dna200. I was in my local shop, he just got the 213 in, I played with it, knew it prob wouldn't TC well, didn't care as I rarely use TC and will even less with pre-heat.
If I came across as defending sigelei, wasn't my intention-simply saying If other manufacturers paid attention to the things they did well in this mod-and implemented them-it would be a good thing.
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I totally agree-they fucked a lot of customers if they did indeed say it could be upgraded. I heard a lot of conjecture that it was-did they advertise this fact themselves or did this info come from reviewers?
Again, I bought mine recently, knowing what it was.
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As far as the updates go, yes that's right. If the mod works as advertised and does everything well then I don't care if they update it or not. Take the Ipv5 for example. I think since I bought it have gotten one update. If I remember correctly it was for that SX pure coil thing Yihi is doing. Not a big deal because I don't use the SX pure coil stuff but its nice to know that if there was a problem or any bugs or a new coil system or a new material came out then I could possibly get an update. I will say this, I think its a shame that p4u has not updated the mod for a SS 316 preset but it's not a big deal since you can work around it with the TCR settings. With 213 you can't even do that because the whole TC thing is just done very poorly.
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Yea I'm not one to try to justify a 40-45 dollar purchase. I do feel bad for the guys that paid the wood for this thing thinking it was what they advertised.
Vapenw is still selling it for 80 bucks with 2 batteries...Now that is total bullshit. At least ecig.com realizes what it is and trying to get out for under all the stock they bought and not ripping people off.
Vapenw is still selling it for 80 bucks with 2 batteries...Now that is total bullshit. At least ecig.com realizes what it is and trying to get out for under all the stock they bought and not ripping people off.
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They are defrauding the people or are incompetent manufacturers, either way, not a mod I would ever own...but people are free to do whatever they want with their money
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LMAO I put that post ^^^^^^ in the wrong thread - my bad.
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The guy had preheat set to 3 seconds and didn't read then lock the ohms, that's why it was jumping around and not working in TC. Probably one of the worst reviews I have seen because the guy doesn't know what he is doing. What's he going to review next, a car with a 6 speed manual and say look at this bulllshit, the car won't go faster than 35 miles an hour while he still has it in first and doesn't bother to shift.......lol.
Not to say anything good about Sigelei, just to point out someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Oh wait, I just read the comments and people are calling him out on the same thing, this guy would do best to pull this video as it really shows his incompetence.
Not to say anything good about Sigelei, just to point out someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Oh wait, I just read the comments and people are calling him out on the same thing, this guy would do best to pull this video as it really shows his incompetence.
That's exactly my point. The 213 has exposed all these reviewers except for Daniel. They are all bought and paid for and full of shit. They're the same assholes that start every review with their bullshit calls to advocacy. They want us all to contribute money to all these advocacy groups that won't name the enemy and have gotten their collective tails handed to them time and time again in every court room across the land. All so we can keep them floating in vape gear so they can do their bullshit reviews. They're no better than the the politicians they claim to be fighting against.
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