Opinions on new Regulations...

[rades]

What does everyone feel will happen?

Will they keep the 2007 grandfather date or move it up?

Will this proposal affect mechanical mods?

Tanks? RDAs?


Just wondering what everyone is thinking!


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[skiball]

All I know for sure is the taxes are coming!

 

[PuffPuffPass]

While some will disagree, I'm in apocalypse mode. I have 2 new mods and tanks coming. Just to avoid the tax man. I think using 2007 as a grandfather date, puts the industry back to the stone ages.

Without the advances we've seen in the past 2 years. I would have never been able to quit smoking cigarettes. I know this as a fact.

I can't even give you a hard number on the wasted money I spent on cigalikes, cartos, and cheap ass batteries. Every purchase a complete fail, until the tech advanced to where we are now.

 

[PuffPuffPass]

Consider the tax hit Chicago just saw. And the FED hasn't reached in yet. I can clearly see $50 per 30ml in our future for those that don't DIY.

 

[Bean8379]

I'm buying several Altoids kits, several istick devices and diy supplies. The Altoids kits come with shitty wiring and 7A mosfets, so I'm upgrading to 15A mosfets and better wiring but the kits themselves are only $10 so will probably grab 4 or 5 of those. Then if one wears out or gets damages to the point it can't be rebuilt, I have backups. Really they ought to last me the rest of my life, and so should the isticks if I buy enough. I like my mechs but I also want the option to try a regulated device. A few gallons of vg, a liter of nicotine and some flavorings ought to last me the rest of my life as well.

 

[Neunerball]

I'm buying several Altoids kits, several istick devices and diy supplies. The Altoids kits come with shitty wiring and 7A mosfets, so I'm upgrading to 15A mosfets and better wiring but the kits themselves are only $10 so will probably grab 4 or 5 of those. Then if one wears out or gets damages to the point it can't be rebuilt, I have backups. Really they ought to last me the rest of my life, and so should the isticks if I buy enough. I like my mechs but I also want the option to try a regulated device. A few gallons of vg, a liter of nicotine and some flavorings ought to last me the rest of my life as well.

You must have a low life expectancy. One liter nicotine won't last that long.

 

[skiball]

I'm buying several Altoids kits, several istick devices and diy supplies. The Altoids kits come with shitty wiring and 7A mosfets, so I'm upgrading to 15A mosfets and better wiring but the kits themselves are only $10 so will probably grab 4 or 5 of those. Then if one wears out or gets damages to the point it can't be rebuilt, I have backups. Really they ought to last me the rest of my life, and so should the isticks if I buy enough. I like my mechs but I also want the option to try a regulated device. A few gallons of vg, a liter of nicotine and some flavorings ought to last me the rest of my life as well.

And bean i'm just looking out for ya but vg is only good for a year n 1/2 opened 5 unopened and sealed but they can't tax vg/pg alone trust me I worked in a cookie factory and we used vg and would use 50+ tons of the stuff a day I don't see em taxing stuff that will affect so many industrys

 

[skiball]

You must have a low life expectancy. One liter nicotine won't last that long.

Not if its 500mg that's good for prob 20+ yrs

 

[Neunerball]

Not if its 500mg that's good for prob 20+ yrs

Problem is I have yet to find a place that sells that kind of nicotine base.

 

[skiball]

Problem is I have yet to find a place that sells that kind of nicotine base.

Mfs bud than you won't need a new freezer to stock up and it's 180$ but 500mg might be a little over kill it would make about 83,000ml of 6mg

 

[BigNasty]

Fuck the FDA, fuck the political bobble heads, fuck local busy bodies sticking their nose into everyone else's business.

 

[Bean8379]

And bean i'm just looking out for ya but vg is only good for a year n 1/2 opened 5 unopened and sealed but they can't tax vg/pg alone trust me I worked in a cookie factory and we used vg and would use 50+ tons of the stuff a day I don't see em taxing stuff that will affect so many industrys

If its advertised as being for e-juice, they can tax it. As far as how long it will last, it can be frozen.

 

[Bean8379]

You must have a low life expectancy. One liter nicotine won't last that long.

Well I think a liter could last me a good while, maybe 2 or 3 liters might last me a lifetime, who knows. Maybe by the time I run out of nicotine, it will be easier to get more. Things can change sometimes.

 

[skiball]

If its advertised as being for e-juice, they can tax it. As far as how long it will last, it can be frozen.

Yes but if you buy anywhere thats not a vape store eg amazon you won't have that problem you can pick up a gal on amazon for 18$ and it's food grade usp kosher gmo free

 

[Neunerball]

Fuck the FDA, fuck the political bobble heads, fuck local busy bodies sticking their nose into everyone else's business.

Amen to that!

 

[Bean8379]

Yes but if you buy anywhere thats not a vape store eg amazon you won't have that problem you can pick up a gal on amazon for 18$ and it's food grade usp kosher gmo free

Doesn't matter if its from amazon, eBay, wherever, if there is anything related to vaping in the description, they can tax it. I'm hoping that most sellers will be smart enough to remove all mention of vaping from their descriptions, but you never know. Vaping, vape, ecig, ejuice, eliquid, anything with any of those words or similar could be taxed. There are already places on eBay that add sales tax for their state. I'm just saying, they can find a way to tax things.

 

[rades]

I might get a couple of these. 1 gallon base, you pick your VG/PG percentages and your nic level, all you have to do is add your flavors


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[skiball]

I might get a couple of these. 1 gallon base, you pick your VG/PG percentages and your nic level, all you have to do is add your flavors


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American e liquid is a rip off if you ask me they use flavor west flavorings and nic select and jack up the $

 

[Bean8379]

Got a link to those?

 

[Bean8379]

Nevermind, for $100/gal, not even worth it.

 

[Neunerball]

I might get a couple of these. 1 gallon base, you pick your VG/PG percentages and your nic level, all you have to do is add your flavors


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I hope you can get flavors with the same VG/PG percentages. Otherwise, you don't really have the same VG/PG percentages in your resulting juice.
Oh wait, it is already flavored.

 

[skiball]

Doesn't matter if its from amazon, eBay, wherever, if there is anything related to vaping in the description, they can tax it. I'm hoping that most sellers will be smart enough to remove all mention of vaping from their descriptions, but you never know. Vaping, vape, ecig, ejuice, eliquid, anything with any of those words or similar could be taxed. There are already places on eBay that add sales tax for their state. I'm just saying, they can find a way to tax things.

I get your paranoia but here's a link not a single thing about vape http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004C7MTLA?pldnSite=1 and on that note thrown in the towel

 

[rades]

I don't think VG will be a problem, but will PG?


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[Time]

Nobody really knows what the total effects will be. Everything is speculation at this point except cost. Cost will go up both from tax and the cost of meeting regulations.

I speculate that 2007 will be grandfather date. Nothing will immediately be removed from the market but we'll see products drop off over the next two years. My suspicions are that higher watts, low ohms and rebuildables will not be approved under the guise of safety. Finished juice will be regulated, ingredients such as flavors, pg, vg, and nicotine will not.

What the states do is entirely different. I think many will try to make nicotine and possibly flavors difficult and/or de facto illegal through regulation and tax.

Only time will tell.

 

[rades]

So you think mechanical mods will be "illegal"?


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[Time]

I don't think mechanical mods will be approve for manufacture and sale. That's my guess based on the information out there. But I don't know.

 

[rades]

I'm sure we'll still be able to get them. It's just a tube


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[BigNasty]

So you think mechanical mods will be "illegal"?


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Tough to make broken flashlights illegal.
TC and high wattage might take it in the ass.

Death to innovation, trade and business.
And you thought the Nazis had the business cornered in fascism.

 

[Time]

Yep. They won't be illegal. Just can't make and sell them in the US as a mech mod. DIY.

 

[PuffPuffPass]

Mfs bud than you won't need a new freezer to stock up and it's 180$ but 500mg might be a little over kill it would make about 83,000ml of 6mg

Better look again. MFS sells 500mg, but not to you. Read the small print.

I bought 100mg, and my best guess is it should last me 3+ years at my current rate @3mg.

Roughly 32 liters of juice. I'm back at my 12-20 ml a day levels. So the Nic will probably go bad before I use it all. If I try to use it all myself.

I'm actually hoping to quit everything. But I won't be crushed if I vape for another year or so.

 

[Time]

It's quite possible to get 500mg and 1000mg.

http://www.nicotineriver.com/collections/usp-nicotine/products/500mg

 

[PuffPuffPass]

I'm sure we'll still be able to get them. It's just a tube


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You can still by a silencer Although they are illegal to even own in some states. DIY is a wonderful thing lol

 

[stevegmu]

Big Vapor will continue making and selling cheaply made equipment without a missed step. Kanger, Smok, Innokin and others won't simply fade away...

 

[skiball]

Better look again. MFS sells 500mg, but not to you. Read the small print.

I bought 100mg, and my best guess is it should last me 3+ years at my current rate @3mg.

Roughly 32 liters of juice. I'm back at my 12-20 ml a day levels. So the Nic will probably go bad before I use it all. If I try to use it all myself.

I'm actually hoping to quit everything. But I won't be crushed if I vape for another year or so.

Well gl hope you can quit and I see what you mean on the nic but filling out a waiver form isn't to tuff.

 

[CrazyChef]

I don't think VG will be a problem, but will PG?

You can gt it at Tractor Supply

 

[CrazyChef]

Not if its 500mg that's good for prob 20+ yrs

I've got about 750ml of 100mg left, but I have an unopened liter of 300mg for backup.

 

[BigNasty]

I've got about 750ml of 100mg left, but I have an unopened liter of 300mg for backup.

Ya doing another nic order for backup.

 

[rades]

I'm glad I started vaping when I did (it's only been a few months) and I started with mechanical mods and I'm staying with mechanical mods. There's something about the simplicity of a tube and a battery making a connection that I like.


I hope my choice in vaping gear will help if, and when, all this crap goes down.


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[rades]

I guess what bugs me the most is I used vaping to quit smoking. A pack a day for 10 years. I'm a 30 year old man not an 18 year old kid who never smoked cigs and just vapes because it's "cool".


When quitting I used the patches. All 3 stages, and I would vape 0nic for the hand to mouth oral fixation of smoking.


This worked great for me, I couldn't of done it alone with just the patches and not vaping.

And building coils and tinkering keeps my mind off smoking.


5 months later I just vape, no patches, and I only vape 3 or 6mg nic.


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[jack]

We always hear about ,it needs more study , but they want to regulate it . How do you regulate what needs more study ? They want to regulate what they know nothing about !
That's how our elected politicians think ! Forget the study ,or the regulations , let's just tax it !

 

[Ryedan]

What does everyone feel will happen?

Will they keep the 2007 grandfather date or move it up?

Will this proposal affect mechanical mods?

Tanks? RDAs?


Just wondering what everyone is thinking!

I don't know what's going to happen in the US, but IMO it doesn't look good right now. I'm in Canada, but my bet is we will probably face similar regulation that you guys get, it's just a matter of when.

In the meantime I'm prepared. I'm comfortable with regulated and mech mods, rebuildable attys and I make my own juice. I don't use much nic so my one liter of 100 mg will probably last me 10 years. I doubt the rest of what we need is ever going to become too hard to get.

 

[KKen]

No opinion, regulations wont mean anything IMO. Things may become harder and/or more expensive to source, but most people are pretty resourceful. Good thing with all of this is that I look forward to seeing less neckbearding vapers in public, vaping away like they are sucking for dear life on asthma inhalers.

 

[Bean8379]

"Neckbearding vapers" wtf?!?

 

[rades]

Those hipster teenagers who can't grow a real beard lol


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[Nancy_Bout]

I would DIY w no nicotine


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[Nancy_Bout]

And have some Vape friends I will need them esp juice makers


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[Nancy_Bout]

I think honestly I would never go back to big tobacco they make me sick it's the last thing I would do now is be a slave to their cigs
Population control... At its finest

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[RobbieR]

I am Canadian so American regulations will not directly impact me, but here is my opinion. Canada and the U.K. have fully Universal Health Care systems, when we get sick it costs our governments money, LOTS of money. It is in our governments best interest for us to stay healthy. If vaping is safer / healthier than smoking cigarettes and fewer people get sick, there is a HUGE upside to vaping for the Canadian and UK governments. Sure they lose out on Tobacco Tax, but they "should" save money on Health Care. From what I can tell there is no upside to vaping for the American Government. Every level of government in the U.S. just sees vaping as a threat to Tobacco Tax Revenue. According to this link http://blog.turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/how-much-is-the-government-making-off-of-tobacco-3345/ in 2009 the Federal Government collected 8.5 billion dollars in Excise Tax on tobacco, State Governments collected a combined 15.7 billion dollars. That's a shit load of money that just lands in their lap from tobacco sales. When smokers get sick, that's their problem not the American Governments. Vaping is threatening this 24 BILLION dollars a year in Tobacco Tax Revenue and they don't like it! If the U.S. Government really cared about their citizens health they would be funding Vaping Research instead of just classifying and taxing it like tobacco.

 

[MrScaryZ]

What does everyone feel will happen?

Will they keep the 2007 grandfather date or move it up?

Will this proposal affect mechanical mods?

Tanks? RDAs?


Just wondering what everyone is thinking!


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[stevegmu]

I am Canadian so American regulations will not directly impact me, but here is my opinion. Canada and the U.K. have fully Universal Health Care systems, when we get sick it costs our governments money, LOTS of money. It is in our governments best interest for us to stay healthy. If vaping is safer / healthier than smoking cigarettes and fewer people get sick, there is a HUGE upside to vaping for the Canadian and UK governments. Sure they lose out on Tobacco Tax, but they "should" save money on Health Care. From what I can tell there is no upside to vaping for the American Government. Every level of government in the U.S. just sees vaping as a threat to Tobacco Tax Revenue. According to this link http://blog.turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/how-much-is-the-government-making-off-of-tobacco-3345/ in 2009 the Federal Government collected 8.5 billion dollars in Excise Tax on tobacco, State Governments collected a combined 15.7 billion dollars. That's a shit load of money that just lands in their lap from tobacco sales. When smokers get sick, that's their problem not the American Governments. Vaping is threatening this 24 BILLION dollars a year in Tobacco Tax Revenue and they don't like it! If the U.S. Government really cared about their citizens health they would be funding Vaping Research instead of just classifying and taxing it like tobacco.

How much does the US spend on health care for the poor, disabled, illegals and elderly? Medicaid and Medicare cost $billions...