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Chaotic_Vapes

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So I've never been able to get a quad coil to actually work. I decided to give it a shot last night with some 24 gauge nichrome 80, 8 wraps on each coil and threw it in an alliance 28.5 v2 rda. Once again it doesn't put out much vapor but the flavor is superb, if it didn't make me cough no matter what. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?


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Damn dude... Pics


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I'll have them up soon. I gotta drive to work. I would have had them up but I was just hoping for a general idea of where I went wrong, sorry.


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Damn dude... Pics


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Wow wow
What's the issue?? It looks good!
I can't do 24 g quad bro
26g n80 is manageable for me... Nice mod


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Wow wow
What's the issue?? It looks good!
I can't do 24 g quad bro
26g n80 is manageable for me... Nice mod


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It looks great until you hit it. When you hit it you blow a cloud like you just hit a gas station vaporizer. I even tried adding the extended barrel to help it cool.


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It looks great until you hit it. When you hit it you blow a cloud like you just hit a gas station vaporizer. I even tried adding the extended barrel to help it cool.


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Try 26g bro 10 wraps it's manageable


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It looks great until you hit it. When you hit it you blow a cloud like you just hit a gas station vaporizer. I even tried adding the extended barrel to help it cool.


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What wattage are you running it at? Quad builds do take alot of power to fire right.

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What wattage are you running it at? Quad builds do take alot of power to fire right.

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They do. I've been running it at 140ish. Maybe I'm just not used to them.


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They do. I've been running it at 140ish. Maybe I'm just not used to them.


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Hmm I'm not sure what the problem is, 140 watts should be enough to ramp those guys up. I'm personally not a fan of quads, if rather do dual parallel to cut ramp up and add heat.

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Hmm I'm not sure what the problem is, 140 watts should be enough to ramp those guys up. I'm personally not a fan of quads, if rather do dual parallel to cut ramp up and add heat.

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It has 0 ramp up really. I normally work in duals but with an atty this big it would be a crime not to throw quads in.


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It has 0 ramp up really. I normally work in duals but with an atty this big it would be a crime not to throw quads in.


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Maybe the size is the problem and you have too much chamber space to fill. Are they all heating even when you dry fire?

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It looks like you have two coils sharing one wick on each side. It could be that the wick is drying out fast in the middle in between the two coils. Maybe try individual wicks for each coil. This should deliver more juice per coil.
 

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If it's the heat that's the issue try jumping up two gauges and twist them, makes for a similar build but cooler. if it's the pure amount of vapor that's the issue, well... yeah you did that to yourself :D
 

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Maybe the size is the problem and you have too much chamber space to fill. Are they all heating even when you dry fire?

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Yes.


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It looks like you have two coils sharing one wick on each side. It could be that the wick is drying out fast in the middle in between the two coils. Maybe try individual wicks for each coil. This should deliver more juice per coil.
It's possible, I doubt it since even freshly dripped it doesn't do much but I'll try it.


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If it's the heat that's the issue try jumping up two gauges and twist them, makes for a similar build but cooler. if it's the pure amount of vapor that's the issue, well... yeah you did that to yourself :D
Can you explain how I did that to myself? Correct me if I read that wrong but it sounds like you think it's getting a lot of vapor. The opposite is the actual problem.


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Can you explain how I did that to myself? Correct me if I read that wrong but it sounds like you think it's getting a lot of vapor. The opposite is the actual problem.


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Doh sorry, brain skipped over the part about not a lot of vapor and saw the picture and assumed... my bad. Anyways, heat issues are easily solve with twisting a higher guage to replicate what you're after. Heat dissipation cuts in half, but resistance and overall build stays the same. Meaning ramp up issues may arise but at 140w and doing something like 26g twisted I doubt it'll be an issue. It will keep it from overheating though.
 

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Doh sorry, brain skipped over the part about not a lot of vapor and saw the picture and assumed... my bad. Anyways, heat issues are easily solve with twisting a higher guage to replicate what you're after. Heat dissipation cuts in half, but resistance and overall build stays the same. Meaning ramp up issues may arise but at 140w and doing something like 26g twisted I doubt it'll be an issue. It will keep it from overheating though.
I normally work with dual 24 gauge twisted coils so it seems odd to me that the quad single is worse. Or maybe I'm just doing it wrong.


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I normally work with dual 24 gauge twisted coils so it seems odd to me that the quad single is worse. Or maybe I'm just doing it wrong.


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It's the heating dissipation of the wire. Single wires simply continue to heat up faster than twisted wire. Yes you're dealing with more metal and that'll affect ramp up time and power requirements, but once those are met the single wire will continue to heat faster than the twisted. Less surface area to juice as well so less cooling from that conversion. Anyways, give it a try if it's the heat, I think it may help, I'd only worry about ramp up really, but I've always preferred a little ramp up over a scorching vape 1-2s into the pull.

Since you're familiar with 24g twisted, have you tried 22g builds? Just strait wire. They should be similar to the 24g as far as resistance and wraps (will be a little longer of a coil) but you'll notice the issues I'm describing where it just gets hot late in the draw more than 24g does.
 

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According to steam engine it should read about .15(?) So all I can say is maybe take longer hits or close the airflow a bit or use moar power. If there's no heat then its either getting too much air or your not letting it ramp up. That build should take a second to hear up even at 140w.

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Last thing, the twisted will also be a wider coil, covering and using more chamber space, that might help too. Not trying to push you to do something you don't want to, feel free to ignore, just saying from what I'm seeing it may solve your problems... assuming the coughing is from too much heat, I didn't see a why for that, I figure personally I get that from either too much heat or too much vapor and since it's not too much vapor.
 

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Last thing, the twisted will also be a wider coil, covering and using more chamber space, that might help too. Not trying to push you to do something you don't want to, feel free to ignore, just saying from what I'm seeing it may solve your problems... assuming the coughing is from too much heat, I didn't see a why for that, I figure personally I get that from either too much heat or too much vapor and since it's not too much vapor.
It's possible it's the juice, been working on new flavors but I tried some premium and same problem. Maybe my lungs just aren't used to it anymore haha.

I'll have to give it all a try, I appreciate the actual answer.


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It's possible it's the juice, been working on new flavors but I tried some premium and same problem. Maybe my lungs just aren't used to it anymore haha.

I'll have to give it all a try, I appreciate the actual answer.


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Sorry if I wasn't answering thoroughly or concisely earlier, but yeah, give twisted a try might solve some issues. If it doesn't sorry, but hey it's vaping, trial and error is like the first rule. :D Either way GL, looks like it has the potential to be quite awesome, lots of wire/heat connected to cotton, should be tasty.
 

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Sorry if I wasn't answering thoroughly or concisely earlier, but yeah, give twisted a try might solve some issues. If it doesn't sorry, but hey it's vaping, trial and error is like the first rule. :D Either way GL, looks like it has the potential to be quite awesome, lots of wire/heat connected to cotton, should be tasty.
As of now it's great for flavor. I just got this rda but I couldn't turn it down for the price and the build potential. Thanks man.


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You could also try larger coils. either larger gauge wire, or larger ID, or both. Also try cutting back the airflow, try using the smallest AFC cap, I found the larger one to give too airy of a draw on mine (I have the smaller 22mm version), even with the beefy coils I have in it (Dual 6 wrap, 3 strand twisted 24ga A1, claptoned with 34ga N80, 3mm ID, around 0.12ohm). I run them at 100W, with about a 2 second cold ramp. They've got good flavor and vapor production, and I get about 4-5 good pulls between drips.

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What about changing the design so the coils are vertical with each coil having it's own wick into the drip well?
 

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One thing that will probably help is getting more wick between the inner ends of the coils. You can bridge it like you have, but make sure you take some tweezers and push that bridge all the way down to the deck so that your wick essentially forms an "M" shape. A straight bridge just creates a bottleneck on the middle sides of the coil. They're already heating each other faster on those sides, so not having as much juice flow on those ends probably isn't helping.

I think the real problem here is that those coils are too bulky and the ID is too small. There's too much mass for them to heat up properly and not enough juice to go around. With quads, there's no need to go up to 24g. The mass and surface area will already be way up there with lower guages. I think ej had it right from the get-go, try 26g. You want something that's gonna cool more readily even with the reduced airflow and chamber space.

I was digging though my repository when I found my last quad build. Can't remember the specifics aside from the wire being 26g kanthal, but in my TM, I do remember it being a warm, very smooth, high-vapor, high-flavor vape. I'd wager to guess that the ID was either 3mm or 1/8" (looks more like an 1/8" but I was using a 3mm jig more often back then.)

The large ID leaves lotsa space for wicking both inside of and between the coils. They don't take up too much space horizontally. The 26g still leaves you with tons of surface area, but it doesn't have that nasty habit of clinging to heat like 24g tends to when you pack too much of it into a build. Wicking demands are far lower with the coils being so narrow, which I think is crucial with quads. The narrower they are, the faster they heat up and cool down... ...which gives you better vapor production for your power while also giving you a smoother vape, as the wicking and airflow have an easier time doing their thing.
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So maybe try something like that. I remember running that baby all the way up to 150w with no trouble. Killer vape. I just don't do it because its so time-consuming. Just trying to give you some ideas. I don't know why you're having trouble with your quads. It's a little weird that vapor production is a problem. If anything heat and wicking would be my primary concerns. What you did should be a very slow, very hot, harsh, BIG vape... ...assuming they're firing evenly, that is.
 
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So I've never been able to get a quad coil to actually work. I decided to give it a shot last night with some 24 gauge nichrome 80, 8 wraps on each coil and threw it in an alliance 28.5 v2 rda. Once again it doesn't put out much vapor but the flavor is superb, if it didn't make me cough no matter what. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?


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I have exactly the same set up the alliance v2 on the reuleaux rx 200 box mod I have a 22 gauge kanthal wire 7 wraps on 1.5 mm quad coil come out to 0.14 ohms you only have to run it at 110 on your box hits amazing with great flavor
 

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If anybody is browsing this old post, sorry to me necro it. I solved it by using the smaller afc rings.


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