Quick question

[kimber]

I'm not new to this whole DIY business but have had limited success. I've noticed that a lot you use way more VG than I do. I've always mixed 70/30 pg/vg. Sometimes 60/40. I used cargo tanks for years and had decent luck with my flavor and throat hit (which I like). But I've recently switched to Aspire Nautilus and Kanger Protanks on an Istick ( I have a 30w, a 40wTC, and a 50w. Love those btw. My flavors aren't coming through like I thought they would and my chest feels heavy,,, actually hurts sometimes. I've backed off on the nic, down to 12% but that doesn't seem to have helped. Should I cut down to 6%?? Should I increase the vg?? Have to admit I'm a little stumped. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated


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[Squonk]

I went through the same with higher nic and the pro tank stuff. Now I only do RTA's and my mix my juice at 2mg. You might want to consider something like a Kanger Sub Tank and try upping your VG to 60% and cutting your nic to 6mg. The Sub Tank with the higher VG will give you a more satisfying vape with the lower nic. The Sub Tank will also give you the option to purchase pre-built coils at .50 & 1.2ohms while at the same time introducing you into the world of RBA's all in one tank. Once you begin vaping at lower Ohms you may find yourself lowering your nic level even lower than 6%. I still use my Subtank Plus as my go to for work because it's built strong and easy to fill. The RBA deck is, in my opinion, the easiest to build and a great way to get your feet wet.

 

[itsmenotyou]

I might not be any help but I only mix at .5% nic and max vg (pg from flavors and nic only. I have since I've started DIY other then my nic used to be 3mg before I started cloud chasing.

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[kimber]

Crap, I feel like a noob and I'm four years in! I've avoided the whole sub-ohm thing,,, I guess since I don't really understand it. RTA? RBA? I'm so out of touch! You guys really wind that wire yourself?? Not sure I want to do that right now but who knows? It was a big leap for me getting the Nautilus and the Protanks... And have quite a bit invested in them so a subtank will have to wait a bit. But thanks for the info,, I'll keep that on the back burner for now. And tomorrow I'll try mixing up some higher vg/lower nic and see what happens. Guess I need to dive in and figure out all this sub-ohm stuff or I'm gonna get left behind


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[Squonk]

Crap, I feel like a noob and I'm four years in! I've avoided the whole sub-ohm thing,,, I guess since I don't really understand it. RTA? RBA? I'm so out of touch! You guys really wind that wire yourself?? Not sure I want to do that right now but who knows? It was a big leap for me getting the Nautilus and the Protanks... And have quite a bit invested in them so a subtank will have to wait a bit. But thanks for the info,, I'll keep that on the back burner for now. And tomorrow I'll try mixing up some higher vg/lower nic and see what happens. Guess I need to dive in and figure out all this sub-ohm stuff or I'm gonna get left behind


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If you do decide to go the sub tank route, you can always buy pre-coiled wire, but it's much cheaper if you wrap your own(if you want to deal with that). http://sweet-vapes.com/kanger-subtank-organic-cotton-coils-occ-2695.html
Or you can just buy the pre-made heads and just screw them in.

 

[Huckleberried]

Kimber, I vape high PG. I have a problem with high VG. I suppose it's possible you've flip flopped on that. I've seen that happen, rarely. I use mini protanks on my iStick and get lots o'flavor. I hope you figure it out! I'd lose my mind. I vape about 10mg nic.

 

[Mattp169]

sub ohm DOES NOT mean making your own coils
it just means teh coils are below 1.0 ohms
your aspire uses 1.6 and 1.8 ohn coils
so its not technically a sub ohm tank

there are dozens of sub ohm tanks
crown
tfv4
maganus
starre
kanger subtank
etc etc etc

they all have pre built coils that are below 1 ohm
many do have an additional piece you can put in them instead of a the pre built coil
and wrap your own coil that piece is called an RBA deck usually

the sub ohm tank alot of people start on is a kanger subtank
it has 1.5,1.2 and .5 ohm coils available
so that allows you to make a transition form what you are used to - to sub ohm

 

[kimber]

Thanks guys! Clears up a lot of my confusion. Knowing me, I'll have a sub ohm soon. The rebuilding? Ehhh, gonna have to think about that,,, as long as there's pre made I'll spring for those.


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[SailCat]

Hey, kimber! I enjoy sub-ohm tanks and TC boxes but don't wrap coils (yet) due to a combination eyesight and dexterity deficiency. All of the tanks are probably fine and I imagine most are even good.

Having tried several, I settled on the Herakles because it performs beautifully and never, ever leaks (I have three). One of the things that has prevented my trying the Sub Tank (pictured above) is that is uses proprietary coils, The Herakles coils will interchange with Melo, Triton,, Atlantis v1/v2 coils and the Starre/Maganus (the latter two are identical tanks). Fact is, all the coils for all these tanks interchange. Cool, huh? It's also pretty much a sure thing you'll get that flavor payoff you're looking for regardless of what you choose!

 

[kimber]

Thanks sailcat,,, Herakles huh? I'll have to check those out. Cripes, I've done nothing the last couple days but research research research!!! Have to admit I'm a little excited about the building thing,,, after watching P Busardo do a build on a subtank I thought,,, hell, I can do that! I fix lab analyzers all the time, that little coil shouldn't be that big of a deal. I'll also check out all those other tanks too,,, interchangeable heads is a great thing. Kinda wishing I hadn't jumped into the nautilus and subtanks so fast, but they're still far better than my old carto tanks.


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[SailCat]

Nautilus is (are?) a dandy step towards the sub-ohm tanks. You're smart to research; I do so extensively before investing in products. The Herakles is right for me (for now, anyway) and is well worth a look but you make up your own mind. Just have fun doing it and please share whatever you decide!

 

[AmandaD]

Huck has the problem I used to have with VG, and your symptoms do sound very similar - although of course it could be something else. Out of interest, have you tried vaping even lower VG (even as much as 80 or 90 PG?). I'd try that, and if that doesn't work try the opposite to see if that solves your problem! VG can be very heavy on the chest for some people, and some people are sensitive to PG (although I believe the symptoms are different).

 

[SailCat]

Thank you for that reminder, AmandaD! As I'm fortunate to have no problems with either PG or VG, I'm also remiss in remembering that is not the case with everyone.

 

[kimber]

Well just today I mixed up some new base... 50/50 instead of 70/30. Now that I think of it though, and after reading Amanda's post I'm thinking that may not help me figure it out. You're right,,, I should mix some higher pg and then some higher vg and see if it makes a difference. Correct me if I'm wrong but pg carries the flavor and vg makes the clouds? I'm a flavor junkie which is why I've always gone for higher pg and I've always craves the throat hit but with these new tanks the hit is killing me!! So tomorrow's job is to make some high vg stuff. On a side note,,, how do you people wait for all that steeping business??? Crap, it's killing me!! I've got, literally, 10 bottles of new stuff hanging around my work station in the basement "steeping". Never been a big fan, I'm a shake-n-vape kinda girl. No patience. But that's probably why I've had such limited success with my juices so I'm trying to give it the ol college try


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[Mattp169]

Well just today I mixed up some new base... 50/50 instead of 70/30. Now that I think of it though, and after reading Amanda's post I'm thinking that may not help me figure it out. You're right,,, I should mix some higher pg and then some higher vg and see if it makes a difference. Correct me if I'm wrong but pg carries the flavor and vg makes the clouds? I'm a flavor junkie which is why I've always gone for higher pg and I've always craves the throat hit but with these new tanks the hit is killing me!! So tomorrow's job is to make some high vg stuff. On a side note,,, how do you people wait for all that steeping business??? Crap, it's killing me!! I've got, literally, 10 bottles of new stuff hanging around my work station in the basement "steeping". Never been a big fan, I'm a shake-n-vape kinda girl. No patience. But that's probably why I've had such limited success with my juices so I'm trying to give it the ol college try


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i have so many things i could say, but wont
i shake and vape
i get plenty of flavor using max vg
to figure out pg vg
just put pure vg in the tank and try it
then pure pg

 

[AmandaD]

Well just today I mixed up some new base... 50/50 instead of 70/30. Now that I think of it though, and after reading Amanda's post I'm thinking that may not help me figure it out. You're right,,, I should mix some higher pg and then some higher vg and see if it makes a difference. Correct me if I'm wrong but pg carries the flavor and vg makes the clouds? I'm a flavor junkie which is why I've always gone for higher pg and I've always craves the throat hit but with these new tanks the hit is killing me!! So tomorrow's job is to make some high vg stuff. On a side note,,, how do you people wait for all that steeping business??? Crap, it's killing me!! I've got, literally, 10 bottles of new stuff hanging around my work station in the basement "steeping". Never been a big fan, I'm a shake-n-vape kinda girl. No patience. But that's probably why I've had such limited success with my juices so I'm trying to give it the ol college try


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Crockpot - 4 hours, lowest setting with the lid cracked, around 150 degrees (check with candy thermometer). Leave overnight - voila done (I should add that I rarely 'steep' anything anymore - everything I make is done in at most a couple of days, but most are shake and vape)

Also, you may need to cut your nic in half if the tank is giving you more 'oomph!'

 

[Heabob]

12mg NIC is probably too high IMO, seriously, try 6mg.

I use the Protank type and get plenty of flavor at 70/30VG or 80/20VG, and occasional 50/50.
But I make my own micro coils and use cotton wicks too.

 

[Neunerball]

Well just today I mixed up some new base... 50/50 instead of 70/30. Now that I think of it though, and after reading Amanda's post I'm thinking that may not help me figure it out. You're right,,, I should mix some higher pg and then some higher vg and see if it makes a difference. Correct me if I'm wrong but pg carries the flavor and vg makes the clouds? I'm a flavor junkie which is why I've always gone for higher pg and I've always craves the throat hit but with these new tanks the hit is killing me!! So tomorrow's job is to make some high vg stuff. On a side note,,, how do you people wait for all that steeping business??? Crap, it's killing me!! I've got, literally, 10 bottles of new stuff hanging around my work station in the basement "steeping". Never been a big fan, I'm a shake-n-vape kinda girl. No patience. But that's probably why I've had such limited success with my juices so I'm trying to give it the ol college try


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IMHO, I personally taste not much much difference between a high VG or a high PG juice. The only thing might be the high VG could be slightly sweeter, and (yes) produces more vapor. During your trails making new juices, just make tiny little mixes. I like doing 10-12ml in a 0.5oz. bottle, which leaves me roughly 3-5ml to add flavors if needed. In addition, it doesn't hurt so much, if you actually dispose of it.

 

[kimber]

I actually did dig out my little crock pot yesterday and did exactly as you describe. They were in there for a few hours and then I just shut it off before I went to work and left them there. So I guess they should be good to go this morning. I will definitely try the plain pg and plain vg,,, see if that tells me anything. And I did mix up some 3% and made some juice with that. I'm really starting to think my nic level is too high for these tanks and that's going to end up being my problem. Thanks for the input everyone!! We'll see how my lungs feel later today


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[SailCat]

.... and that's going to end up being my problem.

Which means you have the key to your solution. Happy Day!

 

[itsmenotyou]

Best of luck. I hope you have It figured out.
Vape on and enjoy this chilly (here in south indiana)day

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[kimber]

UPDATE::: I may have figured out the whole lung thing. I was reading through some posts last night and someone mentioned "diacetyl wheeze". I'm a fruit lover, so never used any creamy or buttery flavors but in my last order got a bunch of the creams and vanillas and didn't pay any attention to the diacetyl. I guess I figured it might be bad but it certainly can't be as bad as the junk in cigarettes. Almost every new juice I've made in the last week has that in it. I've made some really good ones ( thank you HIC!). But I think that must be what's causing my lung issue. Maybe I'm just super sensitive to it. So the plan for today is to do some fruits, no creams. I'll go back to my standard peach/passion fruit and hopefully find a couple good new ones and lay off the creamy ones for a while and see if that helps. This makes me pretty sad,,, HICs creamy strawberry is really really good!


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[AmandaD]

UPDATE::: I may have figured out the whole lung thing. I was reading through some posts last night and someone mentioned "diacetyl wheeze". I'm a fruit lover, so never used any creamy or buttery flavors but in my last order got a bunch of the creams and vanillas and didn't pay any attention to the diacetyl. I guess I figured it might be bad but it certainly can't be as bad as the junk in cigarettes. Almost every new juice I've made in the last week has that in it. I've made some really good ones ( thank you HIC!). But I think that must be what's causing my lung issue. Maybe I'm just super sensitive to it. So the plan for today is to do some fruits, no creams. I'll go back to my standard peach/passion fruit and hopefully find a couple good new ones and lay off the creamy ones for a while and see if that helps. This makes me pretty sad,,, HICs creamy strawberry is really really good!


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HIC very rarely uses flavorings with diacetyl in them, and specifically notes if there is! On the whole there is no diacetyl in the FA flavorings (except a couple from the kitchen line that HIC doesn't use).

 

[kimber]

OH. Good to know!! Thanks for that!! I guess I DON'T have to toss all my good stuff


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[MrScaryZ]

Huck has the problem I used to have with VG, and your symptoms do sound very similar - although of course it could be something else. Out of interest, have you tried vaping even lower VG (even as much as 80 or 90 PG?). I'd try that, and if that doesn't work try the opposite to see if that solves your problem! VG can be very heavy on the chest for some people, and some people are sensitive to PG (although I believe the symptoms are different).