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Yeah, it is true.
I am glad I took the leap of faith and finally decided to quit smoking. I find e-cigarette as the best alternative for tobacco smoking.
I did tried to quit smoking so many times but usually without success, always started to smoke after few days again. Finally beginning of last year i started to vape and actually i did reduced smoking little bit. By the end of the year i smoked minimum and yes since last month i haven't had any. It has been already 5 weeks without cigarettes and i am so grateful to my wife, who got me Vapour2 for my birthday. Got used to smoke ecig very fast. Maybe worked that the ecigs looks like real to me and i do not have that need to have normal one again. But it is hard to say, different things work for different people.
I will never touch another cigarette again. In fact I'm afraid it might hook me up again. As for vaping, I see people wanting to stop it too. I don't know if I ever want to kick the vaping...I smoked because it was an addiction, only enjoyed the occasional one, but I love vaping, it not only serves a purpose, but it is fun and I enjoy every minute of it (except dry hits)...
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Its been 6 Years 10 Months, since I smoked my last
filthy rotton cigarette!! I smoke 2 packs a day for over 45 Years!!! I can honestly tell you, Id rather
die than ever smoke again!!! So right on for You!!!
Those Cancer Sticks Can Rot In Hell!!
I'm finding that vaping is far more expensive than smoking. At the moment I'm getting through between 10 - 20ml of juice a day and I'm two coils down and running my third and forth this week.
A pack of 3 coils for me is around £12.99 and juices are typically £3-4 for 10ml.
This week its probably fair to say my vaping is costing me will over over £44.50 (It is actually a lot more but i've excluded my CBD use for fairness - although perhaps I shouldn't as I'm finding that is what really kills my craving for a roll up.)
My smoking would cost me about £3 for my filters and papers and then £14 on the tobacco, so about £17 a week (my true cost was actually lower as I was getting my tobacco from duty free in bulk but again, to provide a fair comparison I'm using UK prices.
Its scandalous how much is being charged for E-Liquids and Coils.
By using vaping to quit smoking I'm spending about $60 a week instead of about $23 dollars when I was smoking.
The vaping industry isn't doing itself any favours by the blatant excessive profiteering. Yes I know I could probably shave some cost off by making my own E-Liquids, but then that isn't the point. It should be as easy, cheap and accessible as possible to switch to vaping. You could probably shave some money off tobacco smoking by growing your own tobacco.
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Now you know why so many of us build our own coils and DIY juice. I used to spend about $176 a month on cigarettes; now it would probably be over $200; I doubt if I've spent $200 on vaping in the last YEAR... or maybe the last 2 yrs!
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Its disappointing and another fail for capitalism. Its not even an industry with 4-5 players. There is plenty of competition and yet still people aren't applying reasonable markups and delivering reasonable and fairly priced products.Now you know why so many of us build our own coils and DIY juice. I used to spend about $176 a month on cigarettes; now it would probably be over $200; I doubt if I've spent $200 on vaping in the last YEAR... or maybe the last 2 yrs!
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I'd have to say it's a huge win for capitalism -- make all the money you can, as fast as possible, and devil take the hindmost: that's capitalism in a nutshell. If you want to save money, you have to remove yourself from the money stream and build your own coils, make your own juice. Which is a HUGE plus for those of us who were slaves to BT for DECADES, forced to pay whatever price they and their flunkie gov'ts decided to charge. Neither coil building nor juice making is difficult, and in fact, the products of DIY in both cases are FAR superior to anything you can buy pre-made. Stop being a consumer and be proactive, and you'll save a ton of money. The pre-made shit is fine for those just starting, it gives them an entry, but for those in it for the long term, continuing to buy pre-made garbage is stupid.
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Unfortunately it does seem to be that way, which is a bit of a blow for specialisation. There is only so much time in a day, I'd rather not have to everything myself all the time. It does seem for most things these days that you have a choice of either being ripped off and ending up with something sub standard or you have to do it yourself. No wonder we see more and more regulation in supposedly free market economies!
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It does seem very time-consuming at first, but after you've done it for a while, you find that it's no more time-consuming than say...emptying/washing ashtrays... running to the store for smokes... or in your case, running to the store for supplies and then rolling your own. I can wrap a fresh coil and get it mounted, wicked, and vaping, in about 10 minutes, and they usually last around 2 months-ish. I mix up my regular ejuice 58ml at a time, about every 10 days to 2 wks; inside a half hour, I can get it mixed and all the cleanup finished. It beats the hell out of going to Walgreens every other day, parking, waiting in line, then handing them $11 for 2 pks of death.
As I've often noted to new vapers... smoking is easy. So is developing some life-threatening condition thx to smoking.... but dying from smoking.... well, it looked pretty hard when I saw my dad doing it. Mixing ejuice and building coils is a lot easier than gasping for your next breath, knowing it might be your last. Something that might extend your life for years or even decades? Worth a little bother.
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I'm definitely not using the cost of vaping as part of backing out of giving up smoking so no worries there if that's what you are thinking. For me its a straight toss up between cost Vs personal effort.
The idea of building my own custom mod and designing a new type of atomiser is right up my alley and I would happily spend loads of time doing that. In my ideal world I'd get to do that and be able to buy very reasonably priced juice in 10ml/ 20ml / 30ml shots so I could have a selection of 100's if not 1000's to suit my every whim without breaking the bank.
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I've never really understood why people are so attached to buying ejuice. You have to accept whatever flavor someone else thinks is good, in the PG/VG ratio they think is good, at the various nic levels they think are appropriate. To all of which, I say, FUCK THAT NOISE. I need at least twice as much flavoring as any other vaper I've heard from, and at least twice to 4 times as much PG (I vape 86%-87% PG)... and I like to select my own nic levels, and if they need changing, changing them 1mg or less at each mix, which allows you to go up or down without really noticing any difference in the nic level you're vaping. Plus the fact that if you buy it online -- the only even moderately-affordable way to buy it -- you're getting a pig in a poke, which may be great... or may be a horrible waste of money that goes right down the sink.
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He seems to be new. Most people are not ready to jump on the DIY bandwagon immediately. Plus it looks like he's in the UK, which is subject to the EU's TPD, and that makes it difficult to get nic base.
If you compare pre-built coil heads and vendor juice with buying packaged cigarettes, you'll find that vaping is less expensive.
If you compare DIY juice and your own coils for a rebuildable atomizer with RYO cigarettes, you'll find that vaping is less expensive.
But you're not doing that. You're comparing pre-built coil heads and vendor juice with RYO cigarettes. Apples and bananas.
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It took me a bit longer to go full-on DIY juice than to start building my own coils -- about 3 months for the coils, when I saw that the pre-made ones might be good for only a couple weeks.. or might be duds right outta the pkg.
But I was edging into DIY juice almost from the start, by combining premade juices in various flavors and nic strengths to arrive at something both tasty and at an appropriate nic level for *me*. By the time I had vaped for about 6-8 months, I was acquiring all the necessary gear, and essentials like PG/VG/nic and of course (for me!), sweetener! and also Flash, since I craved TH but my low nic levels just couldn't deliver it. I started vaping in Feb 2014; in Dec 2014 I first created the strawberry & cream that is STILL my all-day everyday vape. But it became plain to me very soon after I started vaping that I was gonna need to make my own, because nothing pre-made answered all my desires and requirements -- especially the one about saving money. And frankly, after 39 yrs of smoking, I was just damn tired of being bossed around by an industry. FREE AT LAST!!!!!!!!Andria
There's a bit of a learning curve at first, along with capital expenditure. However, once you get up to speed, then both factors decrease dramatically. I mix once every 12-14 days, quite consistently. I have a ton of juice waiting to be vaped, so much so I could go 3 months without mixing. I can make enough coils in an hour to last months, and I switch them often. So, bite the bullet and in a few months you'll be very happy you did so.
Not really, I think. I bought a few liters from the UK before the TPD. Last month I contacted the company and was told they'll still sell me half liters at 72mg.
In my case Its not that I'm attached to buying it, its just that I have a very limited idea what flavours I might like or what I might want to settle on trying to replicate/ modify to suit me even better than the pre made version. There are 1000's of flavours on offer out there and at the moment the idea of buying lots of little 10ml bottles to give things a whirl is quite attractive other than the cost of course.
How would you ever know of 'Fried Cream Cakes' to find out you like it and want to try to make something that tastes like it. Is it realistic to buy flavourings to make up multiple random flavours in a short period of time. Would you end up with loads of flavourings you would use once and never again. Seems to make sense to buy lots of testers to work out what your tastes are, and then narrow what flavourings you are going to buy and play around with mixing.[/QUOTE]
I think I might fall into that camp. I've been quite disappointed with the intensity of a lot of the liquids I've tried.
Yeah, I've heard there are still a few that will sell 72mg base in the UK, but that one generally needs to claim to be a business in order to purchase it. This is why I said "difficult" rather than "impossible".
How long have you been vaping?
Assuming you've quit smoking, how long has it been?
Your tastes will change after a while. Many people find they need less flavoring as time goes on. But people are different and there are always exceptions, like @AndriaD, she's very exceptional.
You could buy some PG, VG, and nic base, and make up a big batch of unflavored liquid slightly stronger than you'd like to vape. This will be dirt cheap. Also get an assortment of flavoring concentrates. Then DIY becomes a simple matter of adding some flavoring concentrates to small portions of your pre-mixed base. Yes, you'll surely decide that some of those concentrates are not something you care for and you won't use them again. But that's really no different than buying a finished liquid and deciding you don't like it...
Yeah, I've heard there are still a few that will sell 72mg base in the UK, but that one generally needs to claim to be a business in order to purchase it. This is why I said "difficult" rather than "impossible".
I wonder if it makes a difference if they ship it out of the EU?
Another option is HiLiq in China. They'll relabel if you ask.
You should be working up to extra hardware. I've only been vaping 6 months and not really a collector but I do have 6 mods and 7 atomizers. What I do for juice is order around 500ml at a time.I vape a lot, prolly more like 10ml a day or more. But stuff gets old, breaks, wears out, and some times I do not have the money to immediate replace parts etc. That's when I buy regular pipe tobacco and roll my own until I can vape again. I smoke way less then I vape. Only when I have cravings. I find I can vape around the clock
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I dunno, when you said something about January, I guess, I didn't realize you really were a total "newbie" -- by the time I'd been vaping 6 months, I was building coils, buying Kayfuns (rebuildable tank atomizer) and already adding Flash and sweetener to my bought ejuice, and acquiring the gear to really get into DIY ejuice. Sorry! In that case, it seems you're now discovering all the excellent reasons why coil-building and DIY ejuice really are good ideas.
Yes, when you're still in the first few months, first year, maybe even first couple of years, after quitting smoking, the tastebuds are quite "muffled" -- self-protection against the foul taste of tobacco, I think! Or maybe just because all that tar you were breathing into your lungs had to get past your tongue and sense of smell first, so a good deal of that particulate matter accumulates in those places (tongue, nose, sinuses) as well as the lungs. How long it takes to get past that varies a LOT, depending on the person, how long they smoked, and probably other factors, but it does ease after a while. When I first started DIY, I was using 31% flavoring, 2.5% of which was sweetener! Because I couldn't taste much of anything that others mixed, or bought ejuice -- though fortunately I found one almost right away that tasted a lot like the Virginia Slims I smoked for 30+ yrs -- MyFreedomSmokes' Virginia. The 2.5% sweetener was the first flavoring to be lowered until now I use either none, or something like .1% -- and the whole recipe is around 24%-25% flavoring, a substantial reduction over its initial state, but still probably twice as much flavoring as most folks use when they DIY, though I've been off smoking for nearly 4 yrs.
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I wanted to reply specifically to this part, about buying loads of different flavorings.... Yes, I suspect a lot of DIYers, at first, end up with flavors they'll never use again... I've PIFed quite a few to @Teresa P .
And I still have quite a few flavorings in my cabinet that I haven't yet tried, since I'm an oddball that vapes the same thing all the time. But the thing is.... flavorings cost maybe one-tenth what finished ejuice costs. So even if you buy some that you really dislike, or that just don't do it for you, for whatever reason, you've wasted far less than if you'd bought the same number of ejuices. Anytime I make up a new recipe, I never make more than 6ml (I used to go for 5ml, but using even numbers helps to keep small quantities of flavoring in the hundredths of ml's rather than thousandths -- 1ml syringes will measure hundredths of ml's!), because that way, if it's awful or just blah, I haven't wasted much nic or PG/VG or flavoring, Wasting anything is anathema to me! Particularly money.
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I dunno, when you said something about January, I guess, I didn't realize you really were a total "newbie" -- by the time I'd been vaping 6 months, I was building coils, buying Kayfuns (rebuildable tank atomizer) and already adding Flash and sweetener to my bought ejuice, and acquiring the gear to really get into DIY ejuice. Sorry! In that case, it seems you're now discovering all the excellent reasons why coil-building and DIY ejuice really are good ideas.
I gave up smoking on 9th May this year and I've only had my X-Priv for 8 days now. I've had an Endura T22 for about 4 years or so, but to be fair it got very little use. I bought about 6 10ml bottles - (All vampire vapes sweet tobacco) for it and I still have 3 of them in my kitchen cupboard. While im down with the theory side of things, I'm learning an awful lot about the practicalities now I'm hitting it full time using a vape where I can empty a tank in one sitting .
Very good point on the taste buds. I hadn't thought of that. After my experience with the 'Sweet Tobacco' this time the idea of trying to find something that actually tastes like tobacco didn't interest me at all. I've approached it on the basis of 'why do that when you can play with all these weird and wonderful flavours instead'
I'm going hard core on the whole lifestyle thing in one big hit. I've gotten lazy with what I've been stuffing into my mouth over the past 5 years and I'm one week into a very low carb diet. I'm determined to lose weight rather than gain weight as part of giving up. I suppose that might be one reason why blueberry donut e juice is rather appealing right now. Slightly paranoid about the fact that these sweet tasting juices are increasing my carb intake - particularly when I take an excessively strong draw and end up swallowing a little of the juice!
When you are right you're right. Having now found a number of things I like, I think I'm going to start finding recipes where people's have tried to replicate them / make similar flavours and ordering stuff I know I will use to mix my own liquids. Then I will dial back the buying to just sampling new flavours as part of seeing if I want to try to replicate it.I wanted to reply specifically to this part, about buying loads of different flavorings.... Yes, I suspect a lot of DIYers, at first, end up with flavors they'll never use again... I've PIFed quite a few to @Teresa P .
Anytime I make up a new recipe, I never make more than 6ml (I used to go for 5ml, but using even numbers helps to keep small quantities of flavoring in the hundredths of ml's rather than thousandths -- 1ml syringes will measure hundredths of ml's!), because that way, if it's awful or just blah, I haven't wasted much nic or PG/VG or flavoring, Wasting anything is anathema to me! Particularly money.
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You won't increase your carbs by vaping, not at all. The worst effect of swallowing a little juice might be hiccups or an upset tummy, from the nicotine. Or just being icked out! I was wrestling with a coil earlier in the week that just would NOT stop spitting at me, so even though it was a fresh coil, I had to just bite the bullet and replace it yet again, and now finally have a well-behaved vape again -- getting juice in my mouth totally icks me out! No idea why sometimes they do that, but sometimes you can fix it by re-wicking, and then sometimes you just have to replace the coil and everything.
As for the various flavors people want, in order to ditch cigarettes... that varies as much as anything else. I was convinced that a) I would require a "cigarette form-factor", a/k/a a cigalike, and b) that my vape had to taste like my cigarettes or at least very close. I was wrong on the first count; I got the cigalike, an eRoll, and though it got me to the point of quitting, having a 65 mAh battery and a .4ml tank is a HUUUUUUUUUGE pain in the ass, so I upgraded to a pen-style right as I was giving up cigarettes (after about 3 wks of regular vaping with the eRoll). I now consider the 800 mAh of those iTaste vv3's another huge pain in the ass, I prefer either my 2000mAh coolfire IVs or my 3000 mAh Samsung 30Q's, but the RDA I use exclusively has roughly the same capacity, 2.5ml, as the starter clearomizers I went to after the eRoll (which contained 2.8ml).
However, for me, it really was necessary to find a flavor that was at least very similar to the cigarettes I smoked for so long; it helped me fool my stupid brain into calming down because nothing much had really changed, despite the fact that the flavor was no longer coming from burning stinkweeds. At first I found the entire idea of "smoking food" bizarre in the extreme.... but about 4-5 months into vaping, at a local vape shop I tried some Blueberry Muffin flavor... and that changed EVERYTHING. After that, it only took about 2 wks before I could no longer tolerate the taste of ANY tobacco-anything.
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As for the various flavors people want, in order to ditch cigarettes... that varies as much as anything else. I was convinced that a) I would require a "cigarette form-factor", a/k/a a cigalike, and b) that my vape had to taste like my cigarettes or at least very close. I was wrong on the first count; I got the cigalike, an eRoll, and though it got me to the point of quitting, having a 65 mAh battery and a .4ml tank is a HUUUUUUUUUGE pain in the ass, so I upgraded to a pen-style right as I was giving up cigarettes (after about 3 wks of regular vaping with the eRoll). I now consider the 800 mAh of those iTaste vv3's another huge pain in the ass, I prefer either my 2000mAh coolfire IVs or my 3000 mAh Samsung 30Q's, but the RDA I use exclusively has roughly the same capacity, 2.5ml, as the starter clearomizers I went to after the eRoll (which contained 2.8ml).
However, for me, it really was necessary to find a flavor that was at least very similar to the cigarettes I smoked for so long; it helped me fool my stupid brain into calming down because nothing much had really changed, despite the fact that the flavor was no longer coming from burning stinkweeds.
At first I found the entire idea of "smoking food" bizarre in the extreme.... but about 4-5 months into vaping, at a local vape shop I tried some Blueberry Muffin flavor... and that changed EVERYTHING. After that, it only took about 2 wks before I could no longer tolerate the taste of ANY tobacco-anything.Andria
Unlike quitting smoking any other way, vaping seems to be weight-gain neutral. Yes, some people do gain, but it seems just as many (or more!) lose, probably because they're able to substitute yummy vape flavors for snacks.
As Andria already said, this is simply not a factor.
Trying replicate the flavor of an existing, store-bought juice can be quite difficult. You may come close, you you may never achieve an exact match. Personally, I just make stuff I like without trying to replicate something else.
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I lost weight at first, for 2 reasons: 1) I'd already been on a post-holiday diet for some time, and 2) vaping instead of snacking helped to continue the weight loss. However once my tastebuds started waking up, I ended up gaining back a good bit, because everything (mostly) tasted so much better.
Absolutely this. I've never been able to replicate a couple of juices that I really love, and it really pissed me off... That's why I decided to try a strawberry, because I'd never bought any strawberry vapes, so had no comparison -- and ended up with the best vape I've ever tasted. Still vaping it, 3+ yrs later.
However sometimes even a "miss" can turn out ok, even if not exactly what you were going for -- I tried to replicate Long Bottom Leaf by Pipe Sauce, never could even come close... but the Smocha recipe in my blog page is what I did come up with, and it's not bad in its own right.
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Bullshit. We quit smoking because with vaping, WE CAN. You really oughta keep that snake oil shit in the forums that believe in it.
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I have been smoking cigarettes for over 5 years until this summer. A friend gave me his e-cigs to check it out and i liked it! It's a little bit different from cigs but healthier according to a report of UK's Department of Health "e-cigs are at least 95% safer than tobacco cigarettes". So i was feeling safe for my health. Also it's much cheaper, so that is + as well.
After all i stayed with them. I surfed the web a lot and found VapingDaily site. Great site, reccommend.
Right now i'm using v2
After all i stayed with them. I surfed the web a lot and found VapingDaily site. Great site, reccommend.
Right now i'm using v2
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Sure, I think everybody here understands that vaping is less harmful than smoking. I connected my life with vaping a few years ago when I have stopped.
I don`t have dyspnea anymore, and you can`t even imagine how happy I am about that. The big problem is how expensive it is. To buy so many liquids every mouth, so I have read a few guides on how to make e juices correctlyhttps://vapingdaily.com/what-is-vaping/how-to-make-vape-juice/ And articles like that have helped me a lot!
Right now 70% of my liquids I am doing on my own and save a lot of money. I hope I can help somebody
I don`t have dyspnea anymore, and you can`t even imagine how happy I am about that. The big problem is how expensive it is. To buy so many liquids every mouth, so I have read a few guides on how to make e juices correctlyhttps://vapingdaily.com/what-is-vaping/how-to-make-vape-juice/ And articles like that have helped me a lot!
Right now 70% of my liquids I am doing on my own and save a lot of money. I hope I can help somebody
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I have been off cigarettes for (checking calendar on phone) 3 months 1 week. I was a pack and a half a day smoker, smoking for around 28 years. I have stepped my nic levels from 9mg nic to 3mg/0mg, I am planning to get down to 0mg nic here real soon.
Studies have concluded that vaping is a lot safer and not as harmful as cigarettes.
Smoked my last cigarette in September of 2011 while on the way to buy my first vaping setup. A cheap pen style thing.
By the end of the year I was using a nautalus tank on a tube mod, upgraded to an Atlantis tank and sigeli box in Jan then by the end of feb I was mixing my own liquid and using RDAs. Been there ever since. DIY juice, own coils, RDAs and a currently a sigeli snowwolf. Average around 20ml a day.
Even with startup costs, DIY is still really cheap. This math isn't 100% accurate, but should be close using my mixing calculator and recent purchases. 4 gallons of vg/pg can be bought for around $70, 15140ml. Adding a 500ml bottle of 100mg/ml nicotine (around $40) will make it around 3-4% nic. 15,640 ml for $110 = $0.007 per ml. Flavors vary wildly by percent to use and price, but bare minimum, about 700ml of a single Flavor West flavoring added (can be around $40) is around 4% flavoring.
In the end it gives you a total of 16,340ml of eliquid for just $150, only $0.009 per ml.
That is 545 30ml bottles of eliquid. How much does a 30ml bottle cost you?
If you pay $19.99 per 30ml bottle at a store, it would cost you almost $11,000 to get that much eliquid.
Now, naturally the first batches of mixing will cost more then that since you wouldn't mix it all at once nor all the same flavor, you could easily buy 10-20 different flavor concentrates to use and different brands. But even with that, it wont cost more then a few pennies per ml. Cost to mix drops because you also likely wouldn't use ALL of a flavor at once. Flavoring, VG, and Nic all cost less depending on the volume bought. You'd still have some left over for later mixing (unless you waste money buying tiny quantities) causing the cost per ml to drop with the more you mix. The only real reoccurring cost is the VG and PG, nicotine and flavoring is easy to buy in larger volumes and use slowly.
Making your own coils saves money too. How much really depends on the gauge and device though. Thinner wires wear out much faster then thicker lower gauge wire so using an RDA with a low gauge wire really wins here. I bought 25ft of 20 gauge kanthal when I switched to using RDAs in 2012 and I still have more then half of it left 8 years later, and it is the only thing I've used aside from some experimentation. The thick wire is very durable and I have coils that have been in use for YEARS.
By the end of the year I was using a nautalus tank on a tube mod, upgraded to an Atlantis tank and sigeli box in Jan then by the end of feb I was mixing my own liquid and using RDAs. Been there ever since. DIY juice, own coils, RDAs and a currently a sigeli snowwolf. Average around 20ml a day.
Even with startup costs, DIY is still really cheap. This math isn't 100% accurate, but should be close using my mixing calculator and recent purchases. 4 gallons of vg/pg can be bought for around $70, 15140ml. Adding a 500ml bottle of 100mg/ml nicotine (around $40) will make it around 3-4% nic. 15,640 ml for $110 = $0.007 per ml. Flavors vary wildly by percent to use and price, but bare minimum, about 700ml of a single Flavor West flavoring added (can be around $40) is around 4% flavoring.
In the end it gives you a total of 16,340ml of eliquid for just $150, only $0.009 per ml.
That is 545 30ml bottles of eliquid. How much does a 30ml bottle cost you?
If you pay $19.99 per 30ml bottle at a store, it would cost you almost $11,000 to get that much eliquid.
Now, naturally the first batches of mixing will cost more then that since you wouldn't mix it all at once nor all the same flavor, you could easily buy 10-20 different flavor concentrates to use and different brands. But even with that, it wont cost more then a few pennies per ml. Cost to mix drops because you also likely wouldn't use ALL of a flavor at once. Flavoring, VG, and Nic all cost less depending on the volume bought. You'd still have some left over for later mixing (unless you waste money buying tiny quantities) causing the cost per ml to drop with the more you mix. The only real reoccurring cost is the VG and PG, nicotine and flavoring is easy to buy in larger volumes and use slowly.
Making your own coils saves money too. How much really depends on the gauge and device though. Thinner wires wear out much faster then thicker lower gauge wire so using an RDA with a low gauge wire really wins here. I bought 25ft of 20 gauge kanthal when I switched to using RDAs in 2012 and I still have more then half of it left 8 years later, and it is the only thing I've used aside from some experimentation. The thick wire is very durable and I have coils that have been in use for YEARS.
9 years ago in a few months from now I came home from work and sat down to eat dinner and my wife announced that "she" was going to quit smoking because smokes had gone up in price again. A couple of days later she had a script for chantix. She said that I couldn't take the Chantix because of my high blood pressure. So I got Welbutrim? I said I thought "YOU" were quitting. Needless to say that included me too LOL. The Welbutrim did absolutely nothing for me to help quit smoking. The guys at work were offering to pay for my smokes because I guess was turning into an asshole there. I picked up a cigalike at the local gas station and have been vaping ever since. Cannot stand the smell of a cigarette now but I will never quit vaping. I work in a high stress environment and the nicotine helps me relax.
Wow, you’re one of the OG vapers. Congrats on your anniversary when it comes. 9 years is totally awesome! Yay you!
That's insane, literally.
Same here. I can't say I will never quit vaping becuase there are things that might cause that to happen, but I have no intention to do so. But I can;t stand the smell of a cigarette and I can't see myself ever going back to that. The smell not only nauseates me but it also infuriates me.
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Would love to think smoking again would not/could not occur here if somehow all the preps got taken away, but that is a not a certainty at all, even after all these years
Share your anxiety here as well. Not sure I would smoke though. Keep having urges to rub snuff. The Mrs. wouldn't approve so I'd have to smoke, of course she wouldn't approve of that either.