Ready for my first build. Suggestions ?

[Demon_Vap3]

looking for suggestions on what gauge kanthal and how many wraps. Cotton(s) ,silica , have Japanese Cotton square pads.

I do realize that my current atomizers are probably the worst ones to start of a build on, but open to suggestions on a atomizer that would be better to work with .

I was thinking of 30 gauge ? 6 wraps ? and use the Japanese cotton ? since its what i have and it looks and seems to be adequate and quality

Current arsenal :
Omega Ady
Aqua Ady
Mech. mods
Tree of Life ( 3 tube set)
Origin (knock down tubes) I dislike this mod in a very strong way ..
Sentinel M16 ( telescopic )
Hades 26650 Absolutely Love this mod, smooth threads , like the option of spring and magnet button. Reverse button lock is flared and easy to manipulate.

VV/WW mods :
Innokin SVD & MVP 2.0 (Iclear30's, protanks 2 & 3, Nautilus BVC)

 

[Celtic Fog]

Im still learning the ropes to building coils myself, but here is a great weblink to a calculator that is helping me along the way.
http://coiltoy.ermeso.com/

 

[Demon_Vap3]

Thanks ! Exactly what i been looking for its to the point , simple and not diluted .

 

[fq06]

You will probably want to get some 28g sooner or later.
I would build the magma with 7 or 8 wraps on a 2mm bit or hex to get you to about 0.7 to 0.8 resistance. Use a mechanical with a 18650 or 26650 battery

Lots of videos on it but I start with my thumb pinching the wire on the bit and wrap it across the bit to get your coil away from your thumb. After that wrap to move it away I start counting coils. Wrap them nice and tight next to the last and when done unwind that first not for real wrap. Pull both ends to snug it up on the bit.

From here you can pinch the coil with tweezers and heat it up till it glows with one of those cheap blow torch lighters. Or assemble on the rda and fire with your mod till glowing and pinch the coils tight... don't touch the coil with metal tweezers while firing.

 

[Demon_Vap3]

what do you prefer as your wick medium overall ?

 

[Celtic Fog]

Ive been buying organic cotton and stockpiling it for when my mech gets here, But i really want some of this stuff too...
http://www.rbasupplies.com/READYxWICK.html

 

[Demon_Vap3]

You will probably want to get some 28g sooner or later.
I would build the magma with 7 or 8 wraps on a 2mm bit or hex to get you to about 0.7 to 0.8 resistance. Use a mechanical with a 18650 or 26650 battery

Lots of videos on it but I start with my thumb pinching the wire on the bit and wrap it across the bit to get your coil away from your thumb. After that wrap to move it away I start counting coils. Wrap them nice and tight next to the last and when done unwind that first not for real wrap. Pull both ends to snug it up on the bit.

From here you can pinch the coil with tweezers and heat it up till it glows with one of those cheap blow torch lighters. Or assemble on the rda and fire with your mod till glowing and pinch the coils tight... don't touch the coil with metal tweezers while firing.

Ya i have been practicing the wrap and heat and compress technique a few times with the kanthal that came with my mods and atty's as it wasn't specified as to what it was so not worth using IMO.

 

[fq06]

I am going between cellucotton and Japanese cotton... hated cotton balls... yuk.

Ready x wick rocks! Super long lasting and your juices flavor really comes through... but not as much as cellucotton or Japanese cotton. I would put flavor from highest down cellucotton, Japanese cotton, ready x wick, cotton balls, silica.
Ready x wick lasts longer than all though before you have to clean the wick & coil

 

[fq06]

I toss that thin stuff they send, gotta be thinner than 32g. 28 is a great all around wire and it holds its shape well rewick after rewick.
26 or 24 if you want to go for clouds and the coils are like Ft. Knox strong.

There are a number of coil calculators out there but I have found this one to be just about spot on with what comes out on my atty. http://www.steam-engine.org/coil.asp?s=dp&r=0.8&id=2&ll=4

 

[Demon_Vap3]

I toss that thin stuff they send, gotta be thinner than 32g. 28 is a great all around wire and it holds its shape well rewick after rewick.
26 or 24 if you want to go for clouds and the coils are like Ft. Knox strong.

Ya i,m not looking to stratus sphere clouds , or have crazy Ohm levels and such. Flavor and safe vaping is my happy place. Well i'm glad i scooped up the Japanese cotton for good price from your personal rating seems like good stuff.

i bet the 28 G is easier to work with. and as far as the wire that came with mods and atty,s i used it as practice , no intentions of using it .

 

[fq06]

Around 0.8 is a nice resistance for a good blend of flavor and vape production (dual coil). Much less than 0.6 and I start to lose the flavor.

A lot of people love cotton balls, I did like it better than tasteless silica but it has a dirty taste to it for a while and then gets better but it doesn't last that long and I like custardy caramel butterscotch desert types of juice that gunks up organic cotton balls in about a half day of vaping or less.

I want to slit my wrists wrapping anything thinner than 28... maybe 29 at the thinnest. If you are free wrapping around the wick thinner is actually easier, but thicker for micro coils is easier.

Thing I like about micro coils is that they can stay in place rewick after rewick until your tired of your build and want to try a higher or lower resistance... or you just want to tinker.

Wrapping around the wick is a recoil every time you need a fresh wick, that's not for me for the past couple years.

 

[Demon_Vap3]

definitely want to make Micro coils like you was explaining above. And i see alot of people rave about the Magma<-- ( you also mentioned) being one of the best flavor producing atty's around . I'm sure once i learn the proper ways i'll be making decent coils in no time. As i've been tying fishing flies for many years so small tedious and precision detail isn't foreign to me .

 

[fq06]

The Magma's also real easy to build on. Not a fog machine, but great flavor and plenty of vape for me... I have a hard time as it is watching tv with it. Good thing for DVR so I can jump back after the cloud clears

Yeah, if you can do those damn flies, wrapping coils and building should be a breeze.
Tried fly fishing and was glad I brought some food in the cooler lol.

 

[moecat]

I've been liking the Smoke RSBT for single coil builds along with 3 mm ReadyXWick

 

[moecat]

Forgot to mention that I use 30 AWG Kanthal built at 1.8 ohms

 

[Demon_Vap3]

The Magma's also really easy to build on with a hole for each wire. Not a fog machine, but great flavor and plenty of vape for me... I have a hard time as it is watching tv with it. Good thing for DVR so I can jump back after the cloud clears

Yeah, if you can do those damn flies, wrapping coils and building should be a breeze.
Tried fly fishing and was glad I brought some food in the cooler lol.

Haha ya some days i think tying the flies is easier then using them to catch the fish... its like a science every day to figure out what they'll hit and what size and time of day... then theres the casting...

 

[fq06]

Pictures are worth a thousand words.
Kink the wires so they match the hole spacing on the magma.

 

[Demon_Vap3]

wholly crap those are some tight close wraps! very nice !

 

[fq06]

Its not hard with the thicker 28g and also once you get the wrap away from the big dumb thumb. Took me a couple weeks of wrapping till I figured that one out.

 

[Demon_Vap3]

well i ordered Temco A1 28 awg Kanthal 100 feet for 8 bucks lol . your photo made it easy to be sure i got right one . thanks FG06

 

[fq06]

No problem. That $8 will last almost a year with you and a buddy or two building with it.

Happy fishing... I'll be in the fish section at the grocery store catching dinner for tonight

 

[Demon_Vap3]

No problem. That $8 will last almost a year with you and a buddy or two building with it.

Happy fishing... I'll be in the fish section at the grocery store catching dinner for tonight

Cool . so i will plenty to waste with practicing. HAHA i'll not be eating anymore fish till next April... so sick of trout and salmon . soon ill be on to the next game

 

[VH fan]

Ya i,m not looking to stratus sphere clouds , or have crazy Ohm levels and such. Flavor and safe vaping is my happy place. Well i'm glad i scooped up the Japanese cotton for good price from your personal rating seems like good stuff.

i bet the 28 G is easier to work with. and as far as the wire that came with mods and atty,s i used it as practice , no intentions of using it .

After trying just about every resistance and build on numerous atty's, i keep going back to builds in the 1.2- 1.8 ohm range because that range gives me the best possible flavor . Anything much below that range really kills the flavor and vape quality for me.

Building higher ohm also increases battery life which is an added benefit.

Any organic cotton will work well , Rayon works great too and doesn't need to be replaced nearly as often. Twenty eight gauge is ideal for most builds .

Good luck , it's much easier than many initially think.

 

[Demon_Vap3]

After trying just about every resistance and build on numerous atty's, i keep going back to builds in the 1.2- 1.8 ohm range because that range gives me the best possible flavor . Anything much below that range really kills the flavor and vape quality for me.

Building higher ohm also increases battery life which is an added benefit.

Any organic cotton will work well , Rayon works great too and doesn't need to be replaced nearly as often. Twenty eight gauge is ideal for most builds .

Good luck , it's much easier than many initially think.

So you prefer rayon/cellucotton ? Is that stuff safe to vape with?

 

[Demon_Vap3]

well i got my 28 awg A 1 kanthal . made a 0.8 Ohm on a APO atty and a 1.8 on a Omega Atty, used two different juices on each . both was disappointing. no consistent cloud vapor and both harsh . Both with Jp cotton . below is my Omega 1.8 build

 

[fq06]

A mechanical mod you want to be at the highest 1.2 ohms for single coil IMO. Otherwise the coils are not going to fire very hot and give you weak vape production.
Just a guess 6 or 7 wraps if that's about a 2mm coil.

Or since that's a single coil and wont pull that many amps try it on your variable at 1.8 ohms and crank up the voltage.

Not sure what an apo atty is but assuming single coil that may be too hot.

 

[fq06]

Correction, apo is a dual coil. 0.8 should be a good temp for a dual coil. Maybe take puffs and see if the cottons taste improves... like after 10 or so. Cotton needs to break in a bit.

You have an ohms tester to make sure of your resistance after its built?

As far as cellucotton there is much debate over it. It is a cellulose like cotton and nothing has been proven good or bad about vaping cotton or cellucotton so I guess we will find out in a decade on both

 

[Demon_Vap3]

i have for now my MVP and SVD to check the ohms. i don't want to invest a ton in mechs and RDA's and such if i only decide i don't care for it , as most of my mech mods i've bought i dislike unfortunately... My hades is the only one that i really like , i just recently got a Tesla Shotgun and im undecided if i like or hate it . as far as it goes now my MVP is exactly that a Most Valuable Player out of the bunch i can get 680 puffs out of it on one charge easily and its totally consistent and VV WW

both atty's are dual coil the APO i made dual coils the Omega i didn't just single , just really playing the field and wanted to build up some coils

 

[MKPM]

Generally I do dual 28g builds on tanks @.9ohm, and dual 24g on rda's @.4ohm.....Japanese cotton on everything. I hit my numbers in both cases going 10 wraps on a standard jewelers screwdriver shank. Tanks I vape at 35w, rda's at 50w. As for favourite rda to build on...hmm....Mutant X clone followed by the Zenith (airflow ring removed completely)

 

[MKPM]

a good ohm tester is a MUST for building. They are more accurate in that, all they do is that one thing and are designed to do that one thing....they are also invaluable for comparing readings to your devices. On DNA/YIHI style chips...if the resistance is being misread, it throws off the other math as well.

 

[Demon_Vap3]

well i just recently picked up a Rose V2 clone... thing looks and functions amazing as far as sealing , threads and overall craftsmanship. but RBA's seem and look difficult to build so i'm holding off for now

 

[Demon_Vap3]

whats a good volt ohm tester combo with out breaking the bank?

 

[MKPM]

Rda's are a great place to start. The build deck on the vast family of vacuum based RTA's is tight for certain, but yield fantastic "cant be bothered with dripping" vapes (especially the Orchid).

 

[MKPM]

whats a good volt ohm tester combo with out breaking the bank?

Any recommended one found in most vape shops. Most of us rock this type. Some of our esteemed vendor/supporters offer this kind...check them out!

 

[Demon_Vap3]

sweet thanks i'll ebay search it now .

 

[Demon_Vap3]

Rda's are a great place to start. The build deck on the vast family of vacuum based RTA's is tight for certain, but yield fantastic "cant be bothered with dripping" vapes (especially the Orchid).

so you saying you don't like the Orchid ?

 

[MKPM]

One thing I do recommend when looking to buy any sort of vape kit....check out Vapor Joe's first....ace deals can be found there!

 

[MKPM]

so you saying you don't like the Orchid ?

No, I love the Orchid (I own five), but it is a tiny build deck and requires the least amount of cotton of any RTA out there. I've said it many times, the Orchid is what the Kayfun SHOULD have been in the first place. The only drawback to the Orchid is the juice capacity.

 

[fq06]

Agree on having a ohms meter. Plus they will measure to the hundredths so a 0.66 coil is just that... that will be 0.7 on a regulated device.

Work on the single to get it right, easier, less variables.
Try a 1.1 ohm build and start at 10 watts and go up in wattage from there till you find a setting you like.
Try it on a mechanical too.

Looks like you have about the right amount of cotton in the coils. It should pull through without much resistance. I also leave it all in one piece. I've seen people like to tear the outside layers off but I didnt like it as much that way.

Too much cotton and the juice flow gets choked off. Also too saturated of a wick doesn't vape well and after a few puffs will start performing better.

Rome was not built in a day. It takes a while to find your preferred setup and learn how much wick should be in the coil. But I promise that once you get it you will be much happier than using a clearomizer or carto.

 

[MKPM]

Also keep in mind that different juices like different numbers. Some 6mg juice can handle 80w quite handily....some taste horrid at anything over 35w. Seems that even with identical builds...all of my devices vape with very subtle differences.

 

[Demon_Vap3]

No, I love the Orchid (I own five), but it is a tiny build deck and requires the least amount of cotton of any RTA out there. I've said it many times, the Orchid is what the Kayfun SHOULD have been in the first place. The only drawback to the Orchid is the juice capacity.

Are you familiar with the Rose V2 ? check it out from what i've researched its a great rig and the clone i got came with a 510 stand one side thread a atty one to it or a none threaded on other side and a tool side to unscrew it and a rod bar to tighten it and threads and seals are awesome

 

[Demon_Vap3]

Agree on having a ohms meter. Plus they will measure to the hundredths so a 0.66 coil is just that... that will be 0.7 on a regulated device.

Work on the single to get it right, easier, less variables.
Try a 1.1 ohm build and start at 10 watts and go up in wattage from there till you find a setting you like.
Try it on a mechanical too.

Looks like you have about the right amount of cotton in the coils. It should pull through without much resistance. I also leave it all in one piece. I've seen people like to tear the outside layers off but I didnt like it as much that way.

Too much cotton and the juice flow gets choked off. Also too saturated of a wick doesn't vape well and after a few puffs will start performing better.

Rome was not built in a day. It takes a while to find your preferred setup and learn how much wick should be in the coil. But I promise that once you get it you will be much happier than using a clearomizer or carto.

well i wanna get my atty's for use on my mech mod's i got tons of protanks and aspire and iclear tanks for my VV/WW devices

 

[MKPM]

Are you familiar with the Rose V2 ? check it out from what i've researched its a great rig and the clone i got came with a 510 stand one side thread a atty one to it or a none threaded on other side and a tool side to unscrew it and a rod bar to tighten it and threads and seals are awesome

Rose looks a bit fiddly.

 

[Demon_Vap3]

Rome was not built in a day. It takes a while to find your preferred setup and learn how much wick should be in the coil. But I promise that once you get it you will be much happier than using a clearomizer or carto.

I agree totally, thats why i'm asking you all that have been responding to my thread, you care enough to reply and take the time i'll certianly try my vbest to follow your instructions till i got enough experience to try my own thing. but i can't slam the MVP its the only crutch that has succeeded in helping me quit cigs so its great device. Heck i'm still just finding my favorite flavors still but i got 5 that i'm absolutely fanatic about and glad i found them

 

[fq06]

well i wanna get my atty's for use on my mech mod's i got tons of protanks and aspire and iclear tanks for my VV/WW devices

Then just work on the mech. Keep your VV for your I know it will work device and play around with the mech and dripper.
Cant adjust it... just gotta keep playing with the coil builds and see what works for you and like franciscan said the juice that you're using. 6mg max nic for me. Anything more and it kills my throat and makes me green in a minute of vaping in a dual coil dripper or orchid. High nic juice is all good in a clearo or carto, but put it in a performance device an ooohhh man!
Great high though, 16mg like slapping 3 max level nicotine patches on

 

[Demon_Vap3]

Rose looks a bit fiddly.

haha bit fiddly you say huh... Hmmm its origin is England . the Aqua is fiddly to a flaw , Rose seems awesome, i have both

 

[Demon_Vap3]

ya i've already read that as i suspected anything over a 6mg would convulse me lol

 

[Demon_Vap3]

the main idea in theory of getting a mech mod and buid etc. beyond the use of my vv/ww devices was to get a 0 mg nico juice to hit with the mech mod as i figured the hit would be greater and help trick my nico addiction in event start to ween off it totally

 

[fq06]

To me the orchid is simple. Yes a small amount of wick but you don't need a lot. It's always wet.
Smaller deck than a dripper but plenty of room for what's needed. That's for later though.

 

[fq06]

Yeah, a lot of people move from 6 to 3 to 0 to not vaping... I'm stuck on 6 lol!