Real Flavors flavorings?

[gopher_byrd]

You guys must like a lot of flavoring. I never go above 3.5% with my RF SC recipes for total flavor percent. I agree some of the single flavors can seem weak by themselves at 2 or 3% but when you put together a recipe at 3.5% total (meaning some of the ingredients are below 1%) it is generally plenty of flavor for me and I almost never use any sweetener (0.25% pyure with fruit mixes sometimes). That being said, I am planning to try a couple of recipes (that I know I like at 3.5%) also at 5 and 7% just to see if it is better, too much, or mutes the flavor.

Actually I'm with the less is more group. I've been using recipes that are 2-3% using Flavorah. Sampling FLV I can taste 1 or 2 drops in a 10 ml solution with most that I have tried except for Rich Cinnamon and Alpine Strawberry. Those are 1 or 2 drops in a 30 ml solution. Also, FLV doesn't take more than 2-4 days to get to a happy place, not 2-4 weeks. And I rarely use any sweetener as most flavors are sweet enough for me.

Then again, I do love GOC at the 13.8% total that @wllmc created it at. It is GOC after all, you can't mess with perfection!

 

[wllmc]

Actually I'm with the less is more group. I've been using recipes that are 2-3% using Flavorah. Sampling FLV I can taste 1 or 2 drops in a 10 ml solution with most that I have tried except for Rich Cinnamon and Alpine Strawberry. Those are 1 or 2 drops in a 30 ml solution. Also, FLV doesn't take more than 2-4 days to get to a happy place, not 2-4 weeks. And I rarely use any sweetener as most flavors are sweet enough for me.

Then again, I do love GOC at the 13.8% total that @wllmc created it at. It is GOC after all, you can't mess with perfection!

lol well I agree with that last part for sure . for me I dropped the idea of a flavor % cap that I will or will not go over. I mean Im not going to use 20+ % of anything ever and once I get over 10 I start double checking to see if its necessary or if Im getting out of control but its all about what you are working with and using them right. Ive never tried the FLV stuff yet but from what I have read about these that they are very potent and less is more is the way to go with these. I really need to just try some already

 

[wllmc]

in general most my stuff hovers around 6% total but man sometimes 14 is the answer

 

[Heartsdelight]

He makes out like this

 

[Mattp169]

see im struggling with these flavors
i love the brownie
at 3%ish it takes like batter form the bowl
I made up about 100ml of this a month or more a go and started using it on fathers day.
Today it tastes like the burnt edges of a brownie
rewicked recoiled washed the tank
same thing
tried in a different tank and it was okish then the burnt taste starts creeping in

the old fashion root beer was perfect at maybe 3% or so in a 30ml test batch

everything i have made since has been so weak, tried 3,4,5,and 6%

how the hell can a flavor change in like 2 weeks over night. Ive never had that happen with my FA recipes

 

[Heartsdelight]

see im struggling with these flavors
i love the brownie
at 3%ish it takes like batter form the bowl
I made up about 100ml of this a month or more a go and started using it on fathers day.
Today it tastes like the burnt edges of a brownie
rewicked recoiled washed the tank
same thing
tried in a different tank and it was okish then the burnt taste starts creeping in

the old fashion root beer was perfect at maybe 3% or so in a 30ml test batch

everything i have made since has been so weak, tried 3,4,5,and 6%

how the hell can a flavor change in like 2 weeks over night. Ive never had that happen with my FA recipes

I'm at a lost too.

 

[fozzy71]

see im struggling with these flavors
i love the brownie
at 3%ish it takes like batter form the bowl
I made up about 100ml of this a month or more a go and started using it on fathers day.
Today it tastes like the burnt edges of a brownie
rewicked recoiled washed the tank
same thing
tried in a different tank and it was okish then the burnt taste starts creeping in

the old fashion root beer was perfect at maybe 3% or so in a 30ml test batch

everything i have made since has been so weak, tried 3,4,5,and 6%

how the hell can a flavor change in like 2 weeks over night. Ive never had that happen with my FA recipes

have you tried it at a lower percent? I SF tested it at 1.5% and loved it but I didn't let my tester steep much beyond a month before combining it with other testers for a franken-vape later. Recommended SF percent on that flavor at ELR is 2%. I have a note from someone there that uses it at 0.75% with 0.5% of the RF Chocolate that he liked.

 

[Mattp169]

have you tried it at a lower percent? I SF tested it at 1.5% and loved it but I didn't let my tester steep much beyond a month before combining it with other testers for a franken-vape later. Recommended SF percent on that flavor at ELR is 2%. I have a note from someone there that uses it at 0.75% with 0.5% of the RF Chocolate that he liked.

which flavor are you referring to
old fashion rootbeer or brownie?

 

[fozzy71]

which flavor are you referring to
old fashion rootbeer or brownie?

The brownie super concentrate you did at 3%. If you haven't tried it at a lower percentage it might be worth a try.

 

[Mattp169]

well i tried to make it at 3%, but im not super exact it came out closer to 3.5. Im not sure if the issue is the percent on this flavor or ME or the flavoring itselfor my equipment

I have vaped close dto 60ml or more of this batch since fathers day NO ISSUE tasted like brownie batter form the bowl. ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT
Then suddenly the same batch tasted horrible.
I put some in another tank and it started becoming right again. I soaked the tank this flavor was in in hot water
and tried a different flavor, unfortuantely when I reassembled the coils shorted out so I have to rebuild the coils and Ive been busy

I do not think the % is my issue for brownie....I think there is something going on with my tank
I use the same flavor in the same tank always.

so im trying overt the next few days to eliminate every thing and find the culprit

but as far as old fashion rootbeer
its either my % or something happened to my flavoring itself between my original 30ml test batch and my big 100ml batch and every batch since

 

[Chased2Deth]

Good information here it has helped me out when deciding what else to buy. I picked these up from Real Flavors a few weeks ago I will try to contribute any info I can. So far my testers have been rough @ 1 week steep (SC) they may need more time. I haven't even touched the VG based flavors after reading this thread... 1 month to 5 weeks .

 

[Chased2Deth]

Good information here it has helped me out when deciding what else to buy. I picked these up from Real Flavors a few weeks ago I will try to contribute any info I can. So far my testers have been rough @ 1 week steep (SC) they may need more time. I haven't even touched the VG based flavors after reading this thread... 1 month to 5 weeks .
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So 1.5months after I made my testers.... Pure disappointment. 2.5% is there cap or top end on the SC's. I mixed them all at 2% and I get nothing, still. I'm glad a few have had decent success with these concentrates, I for one have not. The VG suspended versions are better IMO but still looking at a few weeks to a month just to test a SF mix. Just not my cup of tea.

 

[Mattp169]

So 1.5months after I made my testers.... Pure disappointment. 2.5% is there cap or top end on the SC's. I mixed them all at 2% and I get nothing, still. I'm glad a few have had decent success with these concentrates, I for one have not. The VG suspended versions are better IMO but still looking at a few weeks to a month just to test a SF mix. Just not my cup of tea.

out of your list i only have apple
i mixed it a 3% NO STEEPING and got good flavor. same with grape and watermelon
I have the taffy base but have not used it yet
I would try the apple and other fruits at 3% as a shake and vape

 

[fozzy71]

So 1.5months after I made my testers.... Pure disappointment. 2.5% is there cap or top end on the SC's. I mixed them all at 2% and I get nothing, still. I'm glad a few have had decent success with these concentrates, I for one have not. The VG suspended versions are better IMO but still looking at a few weeks to a month just to test a SF mix. Just not my cup of tea.

I mix my recipes with these flavors at 3.5% total. They used to suggest 1 - 3.5% but keep in mind even though we use these for vaping that is not their intended purpose and their site makes a point to never mention vaping. I have seen others mix these much higher than 3.5%.

edit: some flavors liked baked bread or cheesecake can be overpowering below 1%.

 

[Mattp169]

I mix them at 3.5%. They used to suggest 1 - 3.5% but keep in mind even though we use these for vaping that is not their intended purpose and their site makes a point to never mention vaping. I have seen others mix these much higher than 3.5%.

edit: some flavors liked baked bread or cheesecake can be overpowering below 1%.

you may be correct that they do not overtly mention vaping but, lets be honest, why would you test and post for DA/AP and A. So they technically imply vaping, and since they post on vaping forums and market to vapers, the recommended amounts could be considered for vaping purpooses

 

[Chased2Deth]

I mix my recipes with these flavors at 3.5% total. They used to suggest 1 - 3.5% but keep in mind even though we use these for vaping that is not their intended purpose and their site makes a point to never mention vaping.

Maybe that's the problem, I was thrown off by some guy posting food recipes on their site. Thanks for the info Ill go back and try at higher %.

 

[Chased2Deth]

you may be correct that they do not overtly mention vaping but, lets be honest, why would you test and post for DA/AP and A. So they technically imply vaping, and since they post on vaping forums and market to vapers, the recommended amounts could be considered for vaping purpooses

It may be completely false but I have read somewhere on the interweb that the owner was formally an e-juice maker/shop owner? Maybe? Not sure.

 

[fozzy71]

It may be completely false but I have read somewhere on the interweb that the owner was formally an e-juice maker/shop owner? Maybe? Not sure.

yes, he was. he does vape and participates heavily in his threads on ELR's forums but I quit posting there some months back.

 

[Artemis]

I went back to the 3 samples I bought many months ago. I almost forgot about them because I didn't like them at all. Cinnamon toast, cinnamon roll and sugar bear. I seen a sale at BCF and thought I would double check my thoughts. I can taste the flavors but it seems very dry. Is this normal? The Flavor is almost acceptable but I can't get over how dry it is. Maybe its just me. They are mixed single flavors. I'm thinking a hint of Marshmallow for the next test.They were mixed at 2.5%

 

[fozzy71]

I went back to the 3 samples I bought many months ago. I almost forgot about them because I didn't like them at all. Cinnamon toast, cinnamon roll and sugar bear. I seen a sale at BCF and thought I would double check my thoughts. I can taste the flavors but it seems very dry. Is this normal? The Flavor is almost acceptable but I can't get over how dry it is. Maybe its just me. They are mixed single flavors. I'm thinking a hint of Marshmallow for the next test.They were mixed at 2.5%

have they steeped? I feel they need at least 3 to 4 weeks and I would recommend all of those be used at 3.5% as single flavors. That being said, the only one of the 3 you mentioned I will ever mix as a single flavor again in the future would be the sugar cub and even that will likely also get used in recipes with other flavors at some point.

 

[Artemis]

have they steeped? I feel they need at least 3 to 4 weeks and I would recommend all of those be used at 3.5% as single flavors. That being said, the only one of the 3 you mentioned I will ever mix as a single flavor again in the future would be the sugar cub and even that will likely also get used in recipes with other flavors at some point.

They have been sitting since the sale back in March. I will bump up the flavoring next time. I'm sure they are not going to be a single flavor but its how I figure out the flavor or absence of flavor.

 

[fozzy71]

They have been sitting since the sale back in March. I will bump up the flavoring next time. I'm sure they are not going to be a single flavor but its how I figure out the flavor or absence of flavor.

gotcha, a little marshmallow or sweetener couldn't hurt to liven them up a bit. I personally haven't used sweetener in quite a while as I got sick of my pyure always going bad even when refrigerated. I am going to be trying some NOW brand glycerite stevia in the future for my eliquid sweetener once I place my next amazon order.

 

[Artemis]

gotcha, a little marshmallow or sweetener couldn't hurt to liven them up a bit. I personally haven't used sweetener in quite a while as I got sick of my pyure always going bad even when refrigerated. I am going to be trying some NOW brand glycerite stevia in the future for my eliquid sweetener once I place my next amazon order.

Is baklava a single flavor hit? If so what % do you use it at? TIA. I have tried Stevia. I am one of the few who have allergic reactions from it. (Gastrointestinal).

 

[fozzy71]

Is baklava a single flavor hit? If so what % do you use it at? TIA. I have tried Stevia. I am one of the few who have allergic reactions from it. (Gastrointestinal).

I liked baklava at first then I mixed up 220ml of it and grew to not like it. I am not sure if it was the honey notes* or something else (reminded me of cloves) that put me off it but I ended up mixing it with 200ml of pumpkin pie and still couldn't vape it so it got some other smaller single flavor mixes (samoa cookie and banana bread, I think) mixed with it as well as a few random recipes. I now have about 700ml of something I can vape without being overpowered by the baklava notes.

*I don't really smell my vapor in the house but every time I vaped the straight 3.5% baklava my room mates always plugged their nose and asked me wtf it was.

 

[Artemis]

I might pick that one up for fun. I love cloves.

 

[fozzy71]

I might pick that one up for fun. I love cloves.

I obv never cared for cloves and that is what it reminded me of but now that I bought and single flavor tested their honey that may have been what I was picking up that reminded me of cloves.

 

[wllmc]

finally picked up a handful of these now that BCF is carrying them

 

[Mattp169]

wtf its cheaper on BCF for Rf then on their own website? but they dont have brownie flavor thats what i need

 

[fozzy71]

wtf its cheaper on BCF for Rf then on their own website? but they dont have brownie flavor thats what i need

you can get it off amazon if you are wanting to order just one flavor. it is $1 more than rf's site but if you have prime it should be free shipping.

edit to add: cheaper at BCF probably because they buy in bulk at wholesale prices and rebottle in their own cheaper bottles instead of what rf ships them bottled in. Next time I am ready for a big order of multiple flavors I will probably just use BCF now but that day is a long way off with 60+ of these I got direct from RF over the past year.

 

[PuffOn]

Walmart used to carry RFs on their web site, but I'm not finding them anymore.

 

[Willbo]

I think they are much better then the VG ones but still so hit and miss. Amazes me the amount of discussion they get on other diy sites and usin gthe right percentages, steep times blah blah....think its utter rubbish with these ones, you like them or you dont. I still find a lot of them to be utter duds personally, though there are some really good ones, very very impressed with Packzi so far though

 

[fozzy71]

very very impressed with Packzi so far though

That is one of my faves for single flavor one shot mixing for sure. Currently vaping a mix of 7 different single flavor testers with that in it.

 

[Willbo]

That is one of my faves for single flavor one shot mixing for sure. Currently vaping a mix of 7 different single flavor testers with that in it.

Where I have found a couple of the duds good in mixes (blueberry acai and butter toffee being two) I stopped even testing them a while ago and just been chucking them straight into mixes. Think it may have been a thread on ELR about jam recipes and I said pretty much there isnt a good jam to my taste buds, I have tried making a fair few of my own and other peoples recipes and even concentrates such as Vape Train Australia (dont bother with it, its rubbish) but a donut recipe I made with zeppola, wow, packzi and blackcurrant amongst the ingredients was the first thing I have made where I could really taste jam...so much so it over powered the donut so needs work, which was surprising though. I do think the vast majority of real flavors are way way over rated, but like every company, they do have some really good ones and it seems to be subjective

 

[wllmc]

Where I have found a couple of the duds good in mixes (blueberry acai and butter toffee being two) I stopped even testing them a while ago and just been chucking them straight into mixes. Think it may have been a thread on ELR about jam recipes and I said pretty much there isnt a good jam to my taste buds, I have tried making a fair few of my own and other peoples recipes and even concentrates such as Vape Train Australia (dont bother with it, its rubbish) but a donut recipe I made with zeppola, wow, packzi and blackcurrant amongst the ingredients was the first thing I have made where I could really taste jam...so much so it over powered the donut so needs work, which was surprising though. I do think the vast majority of real flavors are way way over rated, but like every company, they do have some really good ones and it seems to be subjective

interesting to hear about those vape train flavors. been wondering about those

 

[Willbo]

interesting to hear about those vape train flavors. been wondering about those

Well I bought the jam it and marmalade ones. Tried the jam at various percentages from 0.5 up to about 3. It tasted like an flv candy roll if it was on the verge of going off no jam at all more a weird sugar almost as though it was halfway to being turned to alcohol/fa liquid amber. Marmalade was a bit better but not much, i only did one test and decided i wasnt going to go through the hassle again. Im finding rf packzi and fa wow is bringing out a jam type taste to me and I barely ever got the filling taste from wow just a light cake donut before. Wow has been a grower on me generally in cake type mixes, was never that keen on it before.

 

[Chased2Deth]

Well I bought the jam it and marmalade ones. Tried the jam at various percentages from 0.5 up to about 3. It tasted like an flv candy roll if it was on the verge of going off no jam at all more a weird sugar almost as though it was halfway to being turned to alcohol/fa liquid amber. Marmalade was a bit better but not much, i only did one test and decided i wasnt going to go through the hassle again. Im finding rf packzi and fa wow is bringing out a jam type taste to me and I barely ever got the filling taste from wow just a light cake donut before. Wow has been a grower on me generally in cake type mixes, was never that keen on it before.

Have you tried any flavors from UK? Rebranded Range and Chefs Flavours both have a Strawberry jam flavor. I have recently tried the Rebranded Range Strawberry Jam and its actually fairly close to jam imo. I'm about 99.9% sure its the same strawberry used in Jam Monster's Strawberry E-Juice.

 

[Willbo]

Have you tried any flavors from UK? Rebranded Range and Chefs Flavours both have a Strawberry jam flavor. I have recently tried the Rebranded Range Strawberry Jam and its actually fairly close to jam imo. I'm about 99.9% sure its the same strawberry used in Jam Monster's Strawberry E-Juice.

Funnily enough it was one I always kept looking at but the only review of it on the site was slating it so much I never bought it I am in the UK so use Chefs quite a lot, mainly them and Rainbow Vapes

 

[Chased2Deth]

Funnily enough it was one I always kept looking at but the only review of it on the site was slating it so much I never bought it I am in the UK so use Chefs quite a lot, mainly them and Rainbow Vapes

Im in the U.S. but always looking for good flavors no matter where they are and I pay no attention to customer reviews, one of my favorite flavors is a 2 out of 5 online lol.I tested the chefs and Rebrandeds Strawberry Jam at 5% 3mg 65/45 vg/pg. Neither are the greatest standalone but rebranded would definitely get you started in the right direction imo. I'm letting the chefs steep a bit, it smells amazing but I didn't taste anything S&V.

 

[Willbo]

Im in the U.S. but always looking for good flavors no matter where they are and I pay no attention to customer reviews, one of my favorite flavors is a 2 out of 5 online lol.I tested the chefs and Rebrandeds Strawberry Jam at 5% 3mg 65/45 vg/pg. Neither are the greatest standalone but rebranded would definitely get you started in the right direction imo. I'm letting the chefs steep a bit, it smells amazing but I didn't taste anything S&V.

Be interested on the results as I wonder if they are actually the same concentrate. "Chefs Choice" concentrates are basically all rebranded "Cupcake World" concentrates another ENglish company that were very popular in the early days for vendors in the UK. I have tried quite a lot of CCW concentrates the majority of which are really pretty poor. However I can highly recommend Devon Cream which is probably my favourite cream and Pear Drops which is spot on, both excellent concentrates. Also clotted cream fudge and vanilla slice are very good too. Jam Roly Poly is very popular though not my cupof tea. Rebranded range are obv rebrands of various companies concentrates.

 

[Willbo]

PS So what is your 2/5 favourite flavour? Im one of a very small number who actually likes FA Monsoon, doesnt seem to mix with anything but if Im running low on juice or cant be bothered to mix I often just mix up a bottle of it standalone.

 

[Chased2Deth]

Be interested on the results as I wonder if they are actually the same concentrate. "Chefs Choice" concentrates are basically all rebranded "Cupcake World" concentrates another ENglish company that were very popular in the early days for vendors in the UK. I have tried quite a lot of CCW concentrates the majority of which are really pretty poor. However I can highly recommend Devon Cream which is probably my favourite cream and Pear Drops which is spot on, both excellent concentrates. Also clotted cream fudge and vanilla slice are very good too. Jam Roly Poly is very popular though not my cupof tea. Rebranded range are obv rebrands of various companies concentrates.

I can assure you that the two same named Strawberry Jams are definite different beast just by smell.
That's interesting I thought to myself as I was picking out flavors under "Rebranded" that it was weird name and sure enough I was right. Thanks for the info. I will have to check some of those out since OSDS carries Chefs but are promoted as one shots.. which I rarely care much for honestly.

PS So what is your 2/5 favourite flavour? Im one of a very small number who actually likes FA Monsoon, doesnt seem to mix with anything but if Im running low on juice or cant be bothered to mix I often just mix up a bottle of it standalone.

FW Rainbow Sherbet - It does need a lot of help, by no means is it a S&V SF mix kinda flavor but I does nail the aroma of a rainbow sherbet.

 

[fozzy71]

All this talk of jams: has anyone ITT tried the new XXXXX Jam with Toast flavors from RF yet?

 

[Willbo]

All this talk of jams: has anyone ITT tried the new XXXXX Jam with Toast flavors from RF yet?

I would be interested to see peoples thoughts on these. I got fed up of trying to make jam on toast recipes. Solub Arome does a really good toast flavour and also does jam on toast ones, but for me wasnt jam...hence all the talk of jams I did consider the RF ones but not seen any reviews of them

 

[Willbo]

I can assure you that the two same named Strawberry Jams are definite different beast just by smell.
That's interesting I thought to myself as I was picking out flavors under "Rebranded" that it was weird name and sure enough I was right. Thanks for the info. I will have to check some of those out since OSDS carries Chefs but are promoted as one shots.. which I rarely care much for honestly.



FW Rainbow Sherbet - It does need a lot of help, by no means is it a S&V SF mix kinda flavor but I does nail the aroma of a rainbow sherbet.

Chefs do two lines the chefs choice which is CCW and also there chefsvapour concentrates which are there own one shot mixes.

 

[fozzy71]

I would be interested to see peoples thoughts on these. I got fed up of trying to make jam on toast recipes. Solub Arome does a really good toast flavour and also does jam on toast ones, but for me wasnt jam...hence all the talk of jams I did consider the RF ones but not seen any reviews of them

some of the reviews on ELR look promising but most of the notes are basically from their shake n vape tests. These are very new flavors so I will be waiting until the ELR notes are better and mention longer steep times for the tests as I am in no rush to buy any new flavors.

 

[Just Frank]

For those of you that enjoy Fruit Pebbles can you suggest a % and steep time? Thanks.

 

[fozzy71]

For those of you that enjoy Fruit Pebbles can you suggest a % and steep time? Thanks.

Did you check the notes over on ELR?

http://e-liquid-recipes.com/flavor/163925

They recommend 3%. I did a 20ml single flavor test at 3.5% and I loved it even early into the 30+ day steep. I would say to try and wait at least 2 weeks but the longer the better.

I have a 100ml bottle I mixed up at 4% on 20Sept. There are 9 x 100ml bottles in front of it (plus all the other 100ml bottles I am vaping at the moment) so it will probably be a while before I get to that. I actually should pull 30ml off that to try now and see if the flavor fades when I get around to finally vaping the rest as I haven't really done much long steeping with these RF SC flavors yet but that will be happening more now that I am almost out of non-RF flavors to mix with.

 

[Just Frank]

Did you check the notes over on ELR?

http://e-liquid-recipes.com/flavor/163925

They recommend 3%. I did a 20ml single flavor test at 3.5% and I loved it even early into the 30+ day steep. I would say to try and wait at least 2 weeks but the longer the better.

I have a 100ml bottle I mixed up at 4% on 20Sept. There are 9 x 100ml bottles in front of it (plus all the other 100ml bottles I am vaping at the moment) so it will probably be a while before I get to that. I actually should pull 30ml off that to try now and see if the flavor fades when I get around to finally vaping the rest as I haven't really done much long steeping with these RF SC flavors yet but that will be happening more now that I am almost out of non-RF flavors to mix with.

Ok, thanks for the help. With Real Flavors should I even bother with PG? I imagine these are designed for max VG (?).

I cant get ELR to work. Its still seems foreign to me.

 

[fozzy71]

Ok, thanks for the help. With Real Flavors should I even bother with PG? I imagine these are designed for max VG (?).

I do 70vg myself. I would say do whatever you normally do and see how it goes. The more VG you use the longer you probably want to steep. These are designed for anyone but almost all their super concentrates are pg free and the 1 or 2 that have some pg only have trace amounts.

 

[Just Frank]

I do 70vg myself. I would say do whatever you normally do and see how it goes. The more VG you use the longer you probably want to steep. These are designed for anyone but almost all their super concentrates are pg free and the 1 or 2 that have some pg only have trace amounts.

Ok I do 70/30 too . My process is-
1.) flavor first in the bottle.
2.) add pg and shake vigorously.
3.) add half of intended VG and shake vigorously.
4.) add remaining VG amount and shake again.

I like to think the flavor is mixed better this way. I mean opposed to add everything and shake. Funny how we all develope our own little rituals.