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Can anybody suggest Safe juice that don't contain diacteyl or its derivatives (acetoin and acetyl propionyl)
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Safe juice's that don't contain diacteyl or its derivatives (acetoin and acetyl propionyl)
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Emilie
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FlavourArt (FA) flavors in their E-Cigarette line.
http://flavourartexpress.biz/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=15
The Flavor Apprentice (TFA) (On The Perfumer's Apprentice's Website) has flavors that do and don't contain these chemicals, but they tell you which do, and which don't).
https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/c-108-the-flavor-apprentice-world-of-flavors.aspx
http://flavourartexpress.biz/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=15
The Flavor Apprentice (TFA) (On The Perfumer's Apprentice's Website) has flavors that do and don't contain these chemicals, but they tell you which do, and which don't).
https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/c-108-the-flavor-apprentice-world-of-flavors.aspx
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Always refer back to these two sites. Many unknowing and unscrupulous distributors include FA flavors in their non-e-cigarette line and very few let people know of the TFA flavors that contain custard notes.
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Awesome thank you.
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Someone had mentioned that there is research from a dr. Going on about this juice issue.
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Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos - google will link you to all kinds of info about him and his research. The most anticipated recent study and findings have not been published yet (it revealed the majority of all vendor juices analyzed contained diacetyl and/or related diketones.)
His facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/konstantinos.farsalinos
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Thanks
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If this is such a bad chemical why all we all still vaping lol
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The link doesn't work
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this should work for seeing it all together
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B88WRf0FZvfDUVpfYnJEYXJGc0E/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B88WRf0FZvfDUVpfYnJEYXJGc0E/edit?usp=sharing
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Your 1st pdf link worked perfect for me. i read it in adobe reader and then downloaded it. maybe the person who couldn't get the link to work didn't have a pdf reader installed?
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Thanks 5150...I wondered what was going on.
Because there are a lot of uninformed people both buying and making ejuice, and because there are no real regulations which would prevent us from unknowingly vaping risky chemicals.
We actually don't really know how bad it is. There was a recent article suggesting the previous 'evidence' of workers in a factory getting popcorn lung from merely working in that environment was flawed. But who knows - for sure vaping isn't entirely risk free, which is why I don't want my nonsmoking teen to start!
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The bad news that came from the study was that 69% of all flavors tested contained some diacetyl. Some of these were from vendors who claim to be diacetyl free. I diy a lot and like onestopdiyshop.com. They have their own line of diacetyl free flavorings and also you can check all the tpa/tfa flavors that contain these "custard notes". Just click on the drop down flavor list and the bad ones have stars next to them. Even if you don't mix, this list will give you an idea of what is safest to vape!
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Where's the list?
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I use ECBlendFlavors.com. I found this to be interesting ... http://www.ecblendflavorshop.com/helpdesk/knowledgebase.php?article=71
Diacetyl
Updated Diacetyl Statement: ECBlend does not add diacetyl to our flavorings nor do we use diacetyl in any of our facilities. We require Certificates of Analysis or Statements from our flavor vendors that they do not add diacetyl to the flavors we are purchasing. In some flavors, Diacetyl occurs naturally (see below).
Diacetyl is the main ingredient of the typical butter aroma. ECBlend's raw Butter Flavoring has been test by a third-party lab for diacetyl with the results of Non-Detected "ND"
With some controlled processes of microorganisms, diacetyl accrues as by-product. A variety of funguses and bacteria found in lactic acid also form diacetyl. Diacetyl can develop in the course of production of beer and wine. In this case, it is undesirable due to its buttery "off" flavour.
Diacetyl occurs naturally
Diacetyl occurs naturally in tobacco, apples, beans, butter, artichokes, black currants, blueberries, blue cheese, coffee, vinegar, dairy, honey, and wheat.
Diacetyl can come from many natural sources. It is a natural by-product from the conversion of glucose to ethanol by yeast during fermentation in beer, and it is also found naturally in low concentrations in coffee, vinegar, dairy, honey, and fruits. It is also present in butter at low levels.
Also, acetoin is produced from diacetyl and trace amounts of diacetyl may be present in “pure acetoin”.
Acetoin is currently considered "okay" for vaping. Although there is additional study needed on this.
Tobacco Smoke
Diacetyl is present in tobacco smoke (diacetyl (301-433 microg/cigarette) National Institute of Health NIH.gov). (See Testing below).
[Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
ECBlend Testing
Diacetyl
Updated Diacetyl Statement: ECBlend does not add diacetyl to our flavorings nor do we use diacetyl in any of our facilities. We require Certificates of Analysis or Statements from our flavor vendors that they do not add diacetyl to the flavors we are purchasing. In some flavors, Diacetyl occurs naturally (see below).
Diacetyl is the main ingredient of the typical butter aroma. ECBlend's raw Butter Flavoring has been test by a third-party lab for diacetyl with the results of Non-Detected "ND"
With some controlled processes of microorganisms, diacetyl accrues as by-product. A variety of funguses and bacteria found in lactic acid also form diacetyl. Diacetyl can develop in the course of production of beer and wine. In this case, it is undesirable due to its buttery "off" flavour.
Diacetyl occurs naturally
Diacetyl occurs naturally in tobacco, apples, beans, butter, artichokes, black currants, blueberries, blue cheese, coffee, vinegar, dairy, honey, and wheat.
Diacetyl can come from many natural sources. It is a natural by-product from the conversion of glucose to ethanol by yeast during fermentation in beer, and it is also found naturally in low concentrations in coffee, vinegar, dairy, honey, and fruits. It is also present in butter at low levels.
Also, acetoin is produced from diacetyl and trace amounts of diacetyl may be present in “pure acetoin”.
Acetoin is currently considered "okay" for vaping. Although there is additional study needed on this.
Tobacco Smoke
Diacetyl is present in tobacco smoke (diacetyl (301-433 microg/cigarette) National Institute of Health NIH.gov). (See Testing below).
[Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
ECBlend Testing
Although we have obtained certificates and statements from our vendors, we have begun independent third-party laboratory testing. E-Liquid is a new and emerging industry. Testing e-liquids is new and testing procedures and methods will be updated as the industry and laboratories learn more about the safety and testing of these products.
The current testing method for diacetyl has been developed for tobacco smoke, and modified for e-liquids. This testing method for e-liquid needs improvements for accuracy and detection. The independent third-party testing lab used by ECBlend is currently working to improve methods to better measure diacetyl and other compounds for e-liquids and raw flavoring.
As of this publishing, ECBlend e-liquids that have been independently tested to-date have all returned with Not Detected (ND).
We will continue to independently test through all of our e-liquids, as well as continue to work with our flavor vendors .
Labelling
[Source: GMO Database]
Diacetyl also remains not subject to labelling when produced with the aid of GM microrganisms. Additives that are produced in closed systems with the aid of GM microorganisms are not subject to a labelling requirement provided that the respective additive is purified and does not contain any microorganisms.
The current testing method for diacetyl has been developed for tobacco smoke, and modified for e-liquids. This testing method for e-liquid needs improvements for accuracy and detection. The independent third-party testing lab used by ECBlend is currently working to improve methods to better measure diacetyl and other compounds for e-liquids and raw flavoring.
As of this publishing, ECBlend e-liquids that have been independently tested to-date have all returned with Not Detected (ND).
We will continue to independently test through all of our e-liquids, as well as continue to work with our flavor vendors .
Labelling
[Source: GMO Database]
- A technique has been developed in order to win diacetyl with help of GM microorganisms. No information is available about the commercial use of this procedure.
Diacetyl also remains not subject to labelling when produced with the aid of GM microrganisms. Additives that are produced in closed systems with the aid of GM microorganisms are not subject to a labelling requirement provided that the respective additive is purified and does not contain any microorganisms.
Why?