Sigelei On The 18650 Band Wagon?

[DuckysVapeReviews]

Saw this while I was pricing new box mods. Kinda took me for a spin. These legit?

http://www.fluidvapes.com/batteries/sigelei-2500-3.7V

 

[Vaping_Vixen]

I've seen them before online, never seen them in person though

 

[Mike H.]

A $5 dollar 20 amp battery battery re wrapped and sold for $10.00...no thanks.

 

[Vaping_Vixen]

Just looked at the picture again, I'm wondering if they are really even associated with Sigelei.. the text on the battery and case looks pixelated like they used a low rez picture to make the logo ...

 

[NemesisVaper]

Seen them in the flesh, they're legit.

Like Mike said, pointless when you can get a grade A 20A from an actual OEM for less. If they're decent then they'd be good included with a Sigelei product but wouldn't waste my money buying one when I could buy two cells that I know are 100% trustworthy.

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

Well some site (might be fluid vapes) tosses them in on some of the Sigs.

 

[NemesisVaper]

That's good. I at least partially trust Sigelei to do the right thing and supply a decent and safe cell.

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

Granted it was only with regulated mods and lower power ones. I just like the idea ecig companies actuall. Stepping up to more than just some unknown built ins or egos even if they are rewraps.

 

[judgewiz]

They are real. I don't who Sigelei hired to manufacturer these batteries but would be interested to see what marking are under the label if any

 

[CurlyxCracker]

My guess, rewrapped VT 4

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

They are real. I don't who Sigelei hired to manufacturer these batteries but would be interested to see what marking are under the label if any

Anyone know where any independent 3rd party testing results are? If so PLZ post link. And I am not so sure it would be a VTC4 as they are only 2100mah am thinking a VTC5 since the mah is higher.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Anyone know where any independent 3rd party testing results are? If so PLZ post link. And I am not so sure it would be a VTC4 as they are only 2100mah am thinking a VTC5 since the mah is higher.

Sorry, that's what I meant. Vct4s are in fact 2100 mah

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

To be honest, one drunken night before I quit drinking, I was gonna unwrap some batts, cant remember what brands, have a friend do up a few labels like in the pic so we could rewrap them and put em up on ebay

 

[judgewiz]

I would like to see Jon at Liion wholesale get hold of some since he is a member of the forums and he could probably answer some questions about where they are on a power curve.

 

[Condensation]

Seems Kangertech is right behind them https://www.facebook.com/kangertech...0487789694537/836803803062932/?type=1&theater

 

[Number3124]

Seems Kangertech is right behind them https://www.facebook.com/kangertech...0487789694537/836803803062932/?type=1&theater

So, is that an 25r or an HE2/4?

 

[Condensation]

So, is that an 25r or an HE2/4?

It says made by LG on the box and 2500mah
matches up to a LG HE2 in a kangertech box.

 

[Joshua Iles]

At least kanger put on there made my lg. Aspire already has theirs out, wondering who's making those, they're way over priced regardless. I do understand where companies are coming from trying to rewrap good batteries for noobs and probably put in their mods, marketing more to the uneducated person and shops selling to those people. I understand the marketing but with Jon@liionwholesale selling authentics for cheaper than these rewraps I'll pass.

Edit for typos.

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

I am truly wondering when 18650 70A 6000mah lipos will break into the market. From what I understand Smok uses lipos in their M series box mods as does HeatVape in the VMesh and thinking SmokJoy does in the Cfiber 100w tube. Ive met a ton of people running lipo packs in cutom mods, but they push insane wattage and regular 18650s dont do so well at 500-750 watts they say lol.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

I am truly wondering when 18650 70A 6000mah lipos will break into the market. From what I understand Smok uses lipos in their M series box mods as does HeatVape in the VMesh and thinking SmokJoy does in the Cfiber 100w tube. Ive met a ton of people running lipo packs in cutom mods, but they push insane wattage and regular 18650s dont do so well at 500-750 watts they say lol.

Lipos are completely different than something in 18650 form. We not COMPLETELY, if we ever see a legit 70A 18650 it'll be a new chemistry battery

 

[DuckysVapeReviews]

It just seems to me like a lipo 18650 form factor battery is a logical next step in battery evolution. Local vape shop guy is even trying to talk me into trading my ego one and gct to a guy for a hammomd mod and letting him put a lipo pack in it for me. Hell, I dont wanna get rid of anymore gear right now and sure as hell dont wanna pay $398.88 for the lipo pack he wants me to get. Something like 100A and 14v. Thats suicide waiting to happen

 

[Joshua Iles]

Im all for battery evolution, but not at the expense of safety. Seen some reviews on the aspire and Pegasus vapor 18650s but nobody with a real test rig that can better identify amperage and such, if there even is such an animal. As long as these companies are rewrapping QUALITY batteries then I'm all for the idea of selling the mods with branded batteries that aren't some trust fire etc level quality. From my understanding what aspire and I believe some of the others are claiming is that these batteries are being specially made and designed for them, but I haven't seen any details as to which factory or company may be doing that. The info I've seen has all been very vague.

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[Joshua Iles]

Roughly $400 for a battery? No thanks. That's insane.

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[DaBuddhaVapes]

They are real. I don't who Sigelei hired to manufacturer these batteries but would be interested to see what marking are under the label if any

Unwrapped a 35A one. No markings what so ever.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Hmmm

 

[Jon@LiionWholesale]

Lipos are completely different than something in 18650 form. We not COMPLETELY, if we ever see a legit 70A 18650 it'll be a new chemistry battery

Lipo just refers to the casing. A lipo is in a soft pouch and is delicate. An 18650 is the same stuff with some safety devices added inside and put into a metal cylinder. RC guys make lipos durable by putting a hard casing around them. Even then though they're significantly more fragile than the thick cylinder that is an 18650.

It's the same stuff inside the casing. The main advantage of the pouch format is light weight and being able to pack slightly more battery in and less casing. There's no magic chemicals in a lipo. Sure you can make a 100A 14V Lipo but I can make the same thing out of 18650s by spot welding the cells together. It's what every battery pack in a tesla or electric bike is. The lipo pouch would be about 20% lighter and a little bit smaller but other than that it's no difference.

On the other hand pouches give up a lot of safety, not having any PTC or CID and are therefore much more likely to explode instead of vent.

 

[Mike H.]

Some of the best lipo's ive used were from Gens Ace...had a 4000 mah 20c that lasted me for longer than a year with no sign of weakening. (In an rc Crawler)

I dont know about 300 dollars for a lipo though...thats a rip off big time...Max Amps is a big time name in expensive lipos but i dont think they run that much for super high amp cells...A123 is also another big name.

You would need a decent lipo balancing charger as well for 2 or more cells..basicly a whole new battery/charger set up for like rc cars.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Lipo just refers to the casing. A lipo is in a soft pouch and is delicate. An 18650 is the same stuff with some safety devices added inside and put into a metal cylinder. RC guys make lipos durable by putting a hard casing around them. Even then though they're significantly more fragile than the thick cylinder that is an 18650.

It's the same stuff inside the casing. The main advantage of the pouch format is light weight and being able to pack slightly more battery in and less casing. There's no magic chemicals in a lipo. Sure you can make a 100A 14V Lipo but I can make the same thing out of 18650s by spot welding the cells together. It's what every battery pack in a tesla or electric bike is. The lipo pouch would be about 20% lighter and a little bit smaller but other than that it's no difference.

On the other hand pouches give up a lot of safety, not having any PTC or CID and are therefore much more likely to explode instead of vent.

That's kind of what I meant it's more battery in another form.
I have a question you may be able to answer, would a lipo be an icr battery without a protection?
Even though there's different compounds I look at lipos like c4 (moldable explosive) and a 18650 as a stick of tnt, c4 can be molded into one big explosive while the (without removing casing) you'd wrap together and combine the fuse. Do you stock lipos btw? I have an evic VT and would rather replace the lipos when they go bad than tossing the mod.

Edit: isn't that exactly what laptop batteries do with 18650s?

 

[Number3124]

Edit: isn't that exactly what laptop batteries do with 18650s?

Yes. Exactly what they do. They take low C batteries, put them in series then put them in parallel. I had a 9 cell battery pack. It was 3 cells run in series which were run in parallel three times to give over 9,000 mAh. The sad thing is is that the battery only gave my laptop 2.5 hours of battery life.

 

[Jon@LiionWholesale]

That's kind of what I meant it's more battery in another form.
I have a question you may be able to answer, would a lipo be an icr battery without a protection?
Even though there's different compounds I look at lipos like c4 (moldable explosive) and a 18650 as a stick of tnt, c4 can be molded into one big explosive while the (without removing casing) you'd wrap together and combine the fuse. Do you stock lipos btw? I have an evic VT and would rather replace the lipos when they go bad than tossing the mod.

Edit: isn't that exactly what laptop batteries do with 18650s?

A lipo can be any li-ion chemistry, so it could be ICR or IMR or whatever. Usually they're ICR.

The lipo itself has no protection although someone building a lipo pack could have added protection just like they could with an 18650 pack. The main difference is that 18650's have required safety devices inside them. Even unprotected 18650s have these safety devices. They're called the PTC and CID, you can google them for more info. They're a very basic form of protection from certain failures, basically like fuses. Lipos don't have these.

I don't sell batteries that aren't cylindrical cells like 18650s or 26650s etc, I can special order pretty much anything if someone's looking for a bulk order but it won't make sense after shipping from asia if you're just buying one.

And yep, a laptop battery pack is a pack of 18650s most of the time although sometimes they use lipos.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

A lipo can be any li-ion chemistry, so it could be ICR or IMR or whatever. Usually they're ICR.

The lipo itself has no protection although someone building a lipo pack could have added protection just like they could with an 18650 pack. The main difference is that 18650's have required safety devices inside them. Even unprotected 18650s have these safety devices. They're called the PTC and CID, you can google them for more info. They're a very basic form of protection from certain failures, basically like fuses. Lipos don't have these.

I don't sell batteries that aren't cylindrical cells like 18650s or 26650s etc, I can special order pretty much anything if someone's looking for a bulk order but it won't make sense after shipping from asia if you're just buying one.

And yep, a laptop battery pack is a pack of 18650s most of the time although sometimes they use lipos.

I looked at the specs of the 3 lipos in my Evic. Now I know an the lipos themselves are 2mm shorter than an 18650 but they are all wrapped together inside a battery pack. So I may be able to squeeze them in there if there's somehow extra room. My question is why is it safe to charge the three parallel lipos via USB but others have said the refuse to do this with 18650s in parallel.... I'd love to be able to save my mod once the lipos poop out.

 

[chris.ardito.3]

Matt from suckmymod use these battery's


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