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You are not sleeping because you are too busy doin this, Just sayin.........
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/vaping-makes-you-gay.294831/
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/nicotine-makes-you.294830/
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/i-think-fu-ked-up.295308/
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/vaping-makes-you-gay.294831/
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/nicotine-makes-you.294830/
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/i-think-fu-ked-up.295308/
Dude why you being a dick to me?
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Maybe ease up on the nic a little, for several hours before bedtime. My sleeping actually got better after I quit smoking, probably because I'm not choking on phlegm anymore, but it might also be the lack of all the toxins. But when I first started vaping, I had to use a lower nic level from after dinner till bedtime, or I got the pounding-heart, can't-fall-asleep problems.
Also, you didn't say how long it's been since you smoked, but when I first quit, my usual insomnia became a lot worse for a few weeks; I think it's just one of the withdrawal symptoms. I didn't pay much attention because insomnia has always been a problem for me, sometimes better, sometimes worse. It eased after 2-3 weeks.
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Im wasn't a smoker before, i was on chewing tobacco, also i chose not to add Nicotine to my juice/ Maybe that's it? i miss nicotine ?
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That very well could be the problem. Nicotine has a potent effect on the neurochemistry of the brain, which is nearly always a factor in any sleep problems. You will undoubtedly eventually balance out, but in the short-term, adding a bit of nic might help a lot.
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Since you didn't smoke, you didn't have quite as strong and overwhelming a dependence on nicotine as a smoker does, helped along by the pyrolytic compounds, but maybe more like the dependence of a heavy coffee drinker for caffeine -- some troublesome symptoms, but not the overwhelming *jones* that a withdrawing smoker feels. But I was once a very heavy coffee drinker who tried to go cold-turkey, and the headaches were absolute KILLERS. I ended up becoming a tea drinker, to lessen the dependence, and that was helpful when I became a vaper, so I could go from 8-10 cups of black tea a day, to just 2 or 3, without any unpleasant symptoms.
My suggestion would be maybe vaping 1mg-2mg ejuice, at least part of the time, to help ease your brain's transition to nic-free. It *will* balance out eventually, but sleep *is* kinda required; you probably can't afford to have that much disruption to your sleeping for the months it might take.
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Awesome
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Because he was used to nic with chewing tobacco, so he's basically in withdrawal, albeit a milder form than a smoker suffers. It fucks up the neurotransmitters, which fucks up sleep bigtime. Nicotine works primarily with the neurotransmitter dopamine, which is involved in the sleep/wake process.
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Hmm... It might be -- how long since you used real tobacco? If it's been awhile (more than 3 wks), I wouldn't suggest more than 1 or 2 mg. If it's been less than 3 wks, then 3mg might be just fine.
In any case, I'm sure you know the symptoms of too much nic -- abdominal pains, nausea, jitters, that sort of thing.... It's pretty much the same, no matter how you get the nicotine.
Since you seem to be trying to get away from nicotine, you might want to not use it in everything you vape, in any case -- in which case, again, 3mg might be just fine.
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its been 3 weeks since i gaven up chewing tobacco. i will go with 3mg then
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is this real - https://www.fasttech.com/products/3009/10004083/1297707-authentic-liqua-e-liquid-for-electronic do people take 18mg nicotine :| ?
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HA no fucking way that a dipper is less addicted than a smoker, that nic is adsorbed faster and longer than smoking just minus the tar. Depending if it was american dip or chewing tobacco the nic content is unknown, where snus is mg/mg ratio.
Dip was a motherfucker, chewing tobacco not so much, snus about as wicked as dip only because it was rocking 18mg per mg of snus.
It has been years and I still find myself craving a prilla in my upper lip.
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He said chewing tobacco, not "dip." Since it's not smoke being inhaled deeply into the lungs, it's absorbed the same as the nicotine in vapor, thru the mouth -- a much less efficient way than smoking.
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No, dip is flip flopped word.
Smoking is less efficient delivery.
Trust me the oral absorbed is vastly more intense, instead of dealing with the tars and other shit it is damned near instant and constant. A nic sledge hammer.
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Might help one GET to sleep. Does nothing about sleeping so lightly that one wakes at every small noise.
I have that problem myself, due to PTSD, and the only thing that helps me is keeping a fan running in my room, to block out all the noisy neighbors and their fucking noisy dogs and fucking noisier cars that have apparently never heard of a muffler.
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I have that problem myself, due to PTSD, and the only thing that helps me is keeping a fan running in my room, to block out all the noisy neighbors and their fucking noisy dogs and fucking noisier cars that have apparently never heard of a muffler.
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Fuck it...Stupid internet is being a wanker!
it used to
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Not sure why it keeps showing the quote thing.I have tried twice to get rid of it...Oh well fuck me running I guess.
Lol. I don't mean a gallon of water but I know plenty of people who drink no whatever whatsoever.
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Oh, I know; I used to be one of them; except for taking pills, I never drank any water -- and still don't drink a great deal, but I do drink a lot of non-caffeinated, non-alcoholic beverages; cutting down on my caffeine helped a great deal both with my chronic dehydration and chronic insomnia. I'm sure getting sober in 1992 had a very beneficial effect!
The main thing is... even those of us who've struggled for years, decades, with insomnia, can't really address ALLLLLLLLLLLL the many and varied reasons for it, nor how to correct it -- even though I've gotten much better at sleeping, thru various tricks and strategems, there are still nights when it's just no use, I must get back up and try it all again -- the sleepy pills (I prefer Dramamine (generic) to anything else), the warm milk, the low lights, the many and varied other physical problems that can interfere with sleep.
So if those who've learned good tricks for beating insomnia still can't *always* understand or beat it... those who've never suffered it, or suffer it only mildly or rarely, don't have a hope in hell of even understanding what it means to be unable to sleep. It's hell, sometimes. Especially for me, if I need to be up and active the next day, since one of the surest ways to bring on my own insomnia is to set an alarm clock.
But as for the OP... it turns out that he used chewing tobacco, rather than being a smoker, and when he switched to vaping, he didn't use any nicotine. That right there is the problem, because nicotine does have a powerful effect on the neurotransmitters of the brain, and if they don't work properly, then the sleep/wake process won't work properly either. Just abstaining from nicotine when one is accustomed to it, is plenty of reason for the sleep/wake process to be severely disrupted, maybe even worse than using *too much* nicotine -- because of withdrawal. Even if vaping controls most of the urges to smoke or chew or whtever... there are still going to be chemical changes, especially if one is abstaining from the primary psychoactive ingredient of any tobacco use -- nicotine.
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I am fully aware of your plight. I've had insomnia for years. I just notice that it's even harder to sleep... and sometimes I get the weird shakes (borderline a panic attack) if I am very dehydrated... But that's just me and I think there are psychological reasons on top of the normal physical reasons for why not drinking enough water causes the sleeping issues.
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I guess it definitely could, since the brain is mostly water and fat; if the dehydration is severe enough, that would surely cause the brain a big problem -- even though the brain's needs would probably take precedence over any other physiology in the body -- if there's not enough, then there's just not enough.
It's always interesting, the tricks the brain uses to try and get what it needs/wants. When I needed the other tobacco alkaloids after my appendectomy, my brain kept telling me to smoke, even though *I* didn't want to, at all! At first, I did relapse to dual use, but after I got smoke-free again and the cravings came back, I tried WTA, and that did the trick, without needing to smoke again.
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