So how are they(ECF) taking the loss

[5150sick]

ECF the forum that boasts 250,000 members.

248,000 of them are "moved on",

1000 of them are inactive to rarely active

500 of them are staff or vendors,

250 are Casaa or other advocacy type members

125 are diehards who kiss moderator ass

Then there is the 125 who are new and haven't figured out what they are getting themselves in to.

That "forum" is a money making machine for Oliver Kershaw. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[5150sick]

The 'proof' of this being:
out of the 250,000 members they could only manage to get 1400 votes to the "best of 2014" that just happened a couple months back.

 

[Whiskey]

+10 to that!!!!!!!!!

 

[itsyourmove]

ecf is a joke. The select few can post whatever they want and if you question or god forbid question their hate related posts they report you. They have a third reich mentality and once on their hit list any freedom to post is taken away from you. Retired1 is a moron as are a few other moderators. I can only think of one moderator who is fair.

 

[RebelGolfer72]

Hey, I was a supporting member there also. People need to go their Paypal (if that is what you used of course) go in to settings->payments and you will see subscriptions, you can click on this and cancel ECF or any other subscription you may have.
If you didn't use Paypal...you may be up shit creek without the proverbial paddle, but you should be able to contact your bank if you used Mastercard or Visa.

That's a good point. Made sure to do that immediately after getting my perma-ban there, and set up to give this place the yearly donation.

You would think that they wouldn't be so quick to ban paying members... You would think they need the $$

 

[John Q Public]

John Q should be a moderator in this joint. He would whip this motley crew of posters into shape in no time.
Plus the VU mods hook up all the time, and Whiskey has been giving me the eye.

 

[Whiskey]

John Q should be a moderator in this joint. He would whip this motley crew of posters into shape in no time.
Plus the VU mods hook up all the time, and Whiskey has been giving me the eye.

 

[HazyShades]

Wow! That pix really looks like you, Whiskey.

 

[Whiskey]

Found one like it of you......

 

[HazyShades]

Found one like it of you......

Nah, I have a moustache, brown eyes and long silver locks.
Good try but no banana. Try again.

 

[Whiskey]

 

[f1r3b1rd]

I wish the Korean hackers would do something useful; like, shutdown ECF.

 

[nabibrian]

Classwife's response:
There is a Forum out there to suit everyone's needs...
ECF is a work safe and family safe forum.

That's funny! My work blocks ECF but I can easily get on to VU, go figure!
VU for the win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HazyShades]

That's funny! My work blocks ECF but I can easily get on to VU, go figure!
VU for the win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yay! Let's break out the custard juice!
The part I can't understand is "family safe". WTF!? One is supposed to be of legal age
to vape...so it follows, at least in my mind, that it is implied if not outright and implicitly stated
that in order to participate in a vaping forum one needs be an adult.
Bottom line is the nanny state mentality runs rampant
and I'm old enough to tie my boot laces w/o anybody making sure I
don't hang myself with the little strings or get lost in my combat boots.

 

[RebelGolfer72]

I also believe, that as soon as you are associated/affiliated with another vaping forum, you get a nice, big, red target on your back. Proof? Look at the staff list here...how many are permanent banned over there? I know on another forum, 4 out of 5 listed staff members (and I think some previous staff member) all have "moved on" status on ECF.

 

[HazyShades]

I also believe, that as soon as you are associated/affiliated with another vaping forum, you get a nice, big, red target on your back. Proof? Look at the staff list here...how many are permanent banned over there? I know on another forum, 4 out of 5 listed staff members (and I think some previous staff member) all have "moved on" status on ECF.

I do know that some mods from there come looksie here now and then to see what's being said by whom.
Wouldn't know about that big red target being a consequence of membership here
'cause I've had one on me since my very first, second, third...post there.
My first post was deleted by r1 'cause I asked a question about FT that he considered a negative review.
The 2nd, 3rd, ETC post was me arguing with 3 or 4 mods and Oliver himself...about my 1rst post not meriting deletion
The only reason I wasn't banned was another mod's intercession.

Some folks just can't handle other folks who know the language and the law
and those 1rst folks are quick to point out that ECF is privately owned and NOT IN THE USA
and therefore not subject to US laws...

I laughed a lot when the censor censored the term for the back of a moving van
which comes from the term for the back of a Refrigerated truck.. What? no context?
I was talking about driving up to Tennessee to get one of those for my stepdad's moving company..
I laughed even more
when I asked a mod how come the Brit slang term for cigarette isn't censored,
after all it is an insult to many...The response was that since Oliver is a Brit...

 

[RebelGolfer72]

I do know that some mods from there come looksie here now and then to see what's being said by whom.
Wouldn't know about that big red target being a consequence of membership here
'cause I've had one on me since my very first, second, third...post there.
My first post was deleted by r1 'cause I asked a question about FT that he considered a negative review.
The 2nd, 3rd, ETC post was me arguing with 3 or 4 mods and Oliver himself...about my 1rst post not meriting deletion
The only reason I wasn't banned was another mod's intercession.

Some folks just can't handle other folks who know the language and the law
and those 1rst folks are quick to point out that ECF is privately owned and NOT IN THE USA
and therefore not subject to US laws...

I laughed a lot when the censor censored the term for the back of a moving van
which comes from the term for the back of a Refrigerated truck.. What? no context?
I was talking about driving up to Tennessee to get one of those for my stepdad's moving company..
I laughed even more
when I asked a mod how come the Brit slang term for cigarette isn't censored,
after all it is an insult to many...The response was that since Oliver is a Brit...

Double standards for sure. I don't think it's as much the general user base on his or other forums who are in the line of fire...its those who are in moderator/admin/owner type roles of other forums.

I had my share of run-ins with them on the ECF...over the stupidest shit most of the time, but from what I've seen go on, there is a special part of ECF hell for those with any position above "user" on another forum

 

[HazyShades]

Double standards for sure. I don't think it's as much the general user base on his or other forums who are in the line of fire...its those who are in moderator/admin/owner type roles of other forums.

I had my share of run-ins with them on the ECF...over the stupidest shit most of the time, but from what I've seen go on, there is a special part of ECF hell for those with any position above "user" on another forum

Oh yeah. They even get strange if any user gets too popular. At least one mod here got moved on because she was
a leader type, and I know of several others who left in mass because the same happened to another lady.
I generally just read around and PM there so I don't get in trouble...but sometimes I can't help myself...

 

[f1r3b1rd]

i wonder when they are going to start having members tattoo the registration numbers on their forearms

 

[RebelGolfer72]

It's funny how all of us who were labelled as trolls, haters, or otherwise unhelpful members of that place, live relatively normal lives, hold normal relationships outside the forum, get along with most folks on other forums...and even are the first ones that folks come to for help... Methinks the problem is with them...not us

 

[f1r3b1rd]

It's funny how all of us who were labelled as trolls, haters, or otherwise unhelpful members of that place, live relatively normal lives, hold normal relationships outside the forum, get along with most folks on other forums...and even are the first ones that folks come to for help... Methinks the problem is with them...not us

 

[exodus]

Some folks just can't handle other folks who know the language and the law
and those 1rst folks are quick to point out that ECF is privately owned and NOT IN THE USA
and therefore not subject to US laws...

but their servers are,putting them under U.S. jurisdiction

 

[HazyShades]

It's funny how all of us who were labelled as trolls, haters, or otherwise unhelpful members of that place, live relatively normal lives, hold normal relationships outside the forum, get along with most folks on other forums...and even are the first ones that folks come to for help... Methinks the problem is with them...not us

Ha-ha, I agree with your sentiment but disagree with your statement on a personal level.
I've been known to troll, I hate lots of people, I try to help as few as possible
'cause I've found that the ingrates I help usually turn against me, I do not get along with most of the members
on this and other forums, my life is not normal, and my relationship with family and friends is dysfunctional at best...

About the only thing I have going for me is that I'm brutally honest and I tend to be polite
even when I'm being an asshole

 

[RebelGolfer72]

Ha-ha, I agree with your sentiment but disagree with your statement on a personal level.
I've been known to troll, I hate lots of people, I try to help as few as possible
'cause I've found that the ingrates I help usually turn against me, I do not get along with most of the members
on this and other forums, my life is not normal, and my relationship with family and friends is dysfunctional at best...

About the only thing I have going for me is that I'm brutally honest and I tend to be polite
even when I'm being an asshole

So you are a likable asshole? Lol dude, the fact that you can hold civil conversations puts you above the norm in some circles

 

[HazyShades]

So you are a likable asshole? Lol dude, the fact that you can hold civil conversations puts you above the norm in some circles

Sometimes I'm likeable...sometimes I'm an asshole. Neither applies all the time.
I think I need to say thank you..
Yea, normal is only an average of everybody's deviation
and I'm way beyond the mean so yea, I'll grant you that.
It's a bird, it's a plane. No. It's Hazy shoving intruders off my cloud.

 

[John Q Public]

John Q is beloved everywhere.
My secret to being loved at ECF is simple. Don't post.
When you do post, keep it light and substanceless.

You are now on your way to becoming an internet icon.

 

[HazyShades]

John Q is beloved everywhere.
My secret to being loved at ECF is simple. Don't post.
When you do post, keep it light and substanceless.

You are now on your way to becoming an internet icon.

Man, I was an inet icon on usenet. Made the Loonie list and had idiots post my RL info
including an aerial pix of my house all over the place. To this day I am defamed or idolized
depending...

I kinda agree with you regarding your MO at ECF.
Being controversial will get you in trouble. Some buds and I were labeled
"ANTZ" just because we recognize the gub'min is screwing big tobacco also, not just vapers.
Moreover, if the big tobacco lobby was all that controlling of gub'min
a pack of smokes wouldn't cost 6 bucks.
When I started smoking a pack was 35 cents the rest is taxes.
It didn't help us either that we think vapers shouldn't vape in hospitals, schools,
and other places where smoking is prohibited even though vapor and smoke
are different animals.

Anyway, ya. That's why my post count there is only 777. I like the number.

 

[HazyShades]

I'll bet'cher fun at parties...

LOL! My first thought is wallflower but given the state of mind of the general public
now-a-days I'll say he blends right in.
My old lady took our kid to a party the other night and came home commenting
how all the boys were on one side and all the girls on the other.
I said "Yeah, that's why I used to get laid when I was that age,
I walked across the room."

Today they're all wearing ear buds and dancing by themselves to different tunes.
It's a social cacophony of noisy silence and averted lustful looks.

 

[HazyShades]

Every 8 y/o boy knows that girls have cooties. Science has proven this time and again.

Indeed. But my boy is 13. Types about 400 words a minute on his mac (I exaggerate )
and can talk even faster on skype but put him in front of a RL chick and he freezes.
When I was 13 I'd had a condom in my wallet for a year. Hadn't used it but
I was a good boy scout. Be prepared.

addendum: Eventually when I did use it, it broke...but that's another scary story

 

[smacksy]

but their servers are,putting them under U.S. jurisdiction

Out of curiosity where is ECF located?

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[HazyShades]

Out of curiosity where is ECF located?

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ECF proper, that is, where the main office is in England as is Oliver.
They're using a cloudflare server so Exodus has a point.

10-4

 

[HazyShades]

but their servers are,putting them under U.S. jurisdiction

Yup. Cloudflare is in San Francisco...the ECF IP points to someplace in the states.
So technically, any reciprocity agreements between US and the Brits
which would mandate respect and abidance to US laws notwithstanding,
the fact the their "broadcast" emanates from here would place them under US
jurisdiction.
Of course, given our (US) state of affairs nobody knows what jurisprudence means
anymore anyway.

 

[smacksy]

ECF proper, that is, where the main office is in England as is Oliver.
Their using a cloudflare server so Exodus has a point.

10-4

Copy that, Thanks!

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[HazyShades]

Copy that, Thanks!

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QSL, brah
Ye old Wicked Wizard, the Triple 7 in da sandpile

 

[RebelGolfer72]

Yup. Cloudflare is in San Francisco...the ECF IP points to someplace in the states.
So technically, any reciprocity agreements between US and the Brits
which would mandate respect and abidance to US laws notwithstanding,
the fact the their "broadcast" emanates from here would place them under US
jurisdiction.
Of course, given our (US) state of affairs nobody knows what jurisprudence means
anymore anyway.

Cloudflare has servers all over the US, and I think worldwide

 

[HazyShades]

Cloudflare has servers all over the US, and I think worldwide

Yes they do, but their infrastructure and offices are in Frisco
and the current ECF IP (just checked) says US.

Oh, if I remember correctly the forum's domain was registered in Canada.

 

[RebelGolfer72]

Yes they do, but their infrastructure and offices are in Frisco
and the current ECF IP (just checked) says US.

Oh, if I remember correctly the forum's domain was registered in Canada.

The way folks act over there I would have guessed it was based in the land of make-believe, and governed by aliens

 

[HazyShades]

Mabye it had expired by the time you turned 30...

annnd thank you for leading with yer' chin BTW. I don't get many that easy.

Ha-ha. Nope, I got it from a dispenser in the men's room at the movie theater, same place I got my smokes,
when I was 12 going on 13. I used it the day I turned 14..with a 16 year old chick
whose boyfriend was a Vietnam vet and had taught her everything the Vietnamese hookers taught him.

Now I feel like fucking with your head and telling you a story
about how I felt so bad that I indulged in pre-marital sex and never ever had sex again but that would be bullshit.
I'm actually still a virgin. Can't you tell?

 

[mommysprincesskatelynn]

This is just too funny:;

 

[HazyShades]

This is just too funny:;

Isn't it?
Hello.
See ya.

 

[stevegmu]

Man, I was an inet icon on usenet. Made the Loonie list and had idiots post my RL info
including an aerial pix of my house all over the place. To this day I am defamed or idolized
depending...

I kinda agree with you regarding your MO at ECF.
Being controversial will get you in trouble. Some buds and I were labeled
"ANTZ" just because we recognize the gub'min is screwing big tobacco also, not just vapers.
Moreover, if the big tobacco lobby was all that controlling of gub'min
a pack of smokes wouldn't cost 6 bucks.
When I started smoking a pack was 35 cents the rest is taxes.
It didn't help us either that we think vapers shouldn't vape in hospitals, schools,
and other places where smoking is prohibited even though vapor and smoke
are different animals.

Anyway, ya. That's why my post count there is only 777. I like the number.

ANTS is the correct term...

 

[HazyShades]

ANTS is the correct term...

Ya mean we always show up at picnics uninvited?
What's up my bud? Good to see ya here. You slumming? (that's what my mod bud over there calls it)
or did they finally ask you nicely to git?

 

[Whiskey]

Can I just scoot in here.....
Thank you

 

[HazyShades]

Can I just scoot in here.....
Thank you

Welcome, Madam. I'll take two shots of you, clean please. <scooting over some>
Hazy

edit: On 2nd thought, make that neat

 

[Whiskey]

LOL

 

[RebelGolfer72]

ANTS is the correct term...

I know we have had differences in the past, and I agree that you are posting the correct meaning behind the acronym. However, I am pretty sure, that in the vaping circles, ANTZ has been generally accepted due to the fact that the ringleader to the group is named Glan*tz. And that acronym was used not only tongue in cheek, but to also keep search bots from picking up the correct acronym, and giving him and his cronies more attention than they deserve.

...and now you know..... ..... .... The rest of the story.

 

[stevegmu]

Ya mean we always show up at picnics uninvited?
What's up my bud? Good to see ya here. You slumming? (that's what my mod bud over there calls it)
or did they finally ask you nicely to git?

What's up? Yeah, banned. The geriatric mod didn't like my comments about those buying freezers to store gallons of nicotine. I thought it seemed like a desperate act of an addict, but we all know nicotine isn't addictive...

 

[stevegmu]

I know we have had differences in the past, and I agree that you are posting the correct meaning behind the acronym. However, I am pretty sure, that in the vaping circles, ANTZ has been generally accepted due to the fact that the ringleader to the group is named Glan*tz. And that acronym was used not only tongue in cheek, but to also keep search bots from picking up the correct acronym, and giving him and his cronies more attention than they deserve.

...and now you know..... ..... .... The rest of the story.

I came up with ANTS to make fun of those who think ANTZ lurks behind every corner and swoops down in silent black helicopters...

 

[RebelGolfer72]

What's up? Yeah, banned. The geriatric mod didn't like my comments about those buying freezers to store gallons of nicotine. I thought it seemed like a desperate act of an addict, but we all know nicotine isn't addictive...

Shit they banned you too?

 

[stevegmu]

Shit they banned you too?

Oh, yeah. I've Moved On...