Sub ohm'ing vs above - less flavor?

[vapingbirdy]

I'm a vaping newb, but just got in a new mod and trying sub ohm out. I love the direct lung hits but I'm getting a lot less flavor with my sub ohm than above. I think I must be doing something wrong but not sure what so looking for any thoughts.

My sub ohm setup is an evic mini vtc with the joyetech tank and 0.5 ohm coils. I'm only firing it at about 14w because anything higher starts to taste burned almost immediately. My juice is 60vg.

My above ohm setup is the istick TC 40w with nautilus mini aspire tank and 1.8 ohm coils. Only firing this one around 9w for the same burning flavor problem. Same juice.

I have a uwell crown tank and a kanger subtank mini, too, but could only find TC coils for those and I'm not quite ready to jump into TC so wanting to get the current setup working better if possible.

Thanks for any thoughts!

 

[fq06]

Not sure about the 0.5 coils but if they are nickel or titanium you should be in TC mode.
If they are kanthal, 14w is super low for a 0.5 coil and you should barely get any vapor let alone burnt taste so somethings not right.
Maybe your in TC with kanthal coils? Or you have a TC coil in power (not TC) mode?

Try TC, simple, set watts around 50 and set temp low then work your way up till you are getting the vapor and flavor you are looking for. If you get to a point that increasing temp makes no change you need to push watts up a little higer. Go to 60w and play with temp again.

 

[vapingbirdy]

Thank you for your response. I'm definitely in power mode and I'm 99% sure I put in the kanthal coils but I will double check that. I'm actually getting pretty good vapor production - more than my above ohm setup - but not crazy clouds for sure. I don't really care about that as much as missing the flavor a lot with it.

If I am using the kanthal coils what wattage should I try? I started low and worked up then backed it off when the burnt flavor started...maybe I need to go higher? I've only gotten up to 25w.

 

[fq06]

You're doing it right starting low and working your way up till it's too hot then backing off to where it's not too hot but you are still getting good vape production and flavor.

~25w sounds in the ball park for a 0.5 kanthal coil, give or take for personal preference.

That's the tank that comes with the vtc mini? My wife has that kit and the juice holes in the coils are very small and you would think they would have a problem with high vg juice but surprisingly they do a fine job and give decent clouds and good flavor.

I have only installed the Ni & Ti coils for her to use though, I dont think I have had her vape with a kanthal coil once with that tank/mod combo.

Maybe that's the difference, she is vaping with TC... just do it... use a Ni coil in TC mode!

 

[Mattp169]

well if you bought the evic vtc kit that came with a tank
it usually ships with only 1 Ni coil and 1 Ti coil no kanthal

but there is a kanthal coil available for it in both .5 and 1.0 ohms usually the kanthal coils have a black oring
while the nickel have a blue
and the titanium have a red

SO triple check

But that .5 coil is good at 14-25ish watts
its only a single coil


Overall if you search the forum you will find most people saying they do not like the tanks from joytech becuase of poor flavor so that may be your issue

if you have a crown
then they have 4 coils
2 dual coil stainless steel in .5 or .25
the .5 shines in the 40 -60 watt range
and the .25 shines in the 50-70w range
the 1.2 is a single coil and works great from 12-25w
the .15 ni coil is excellent in NI TC mode
you can run that at 50j/w and up to 572F ish depending on your tastes
just be sure with any crown coil to really soak the coils cotton first with lots of juice before firing it can hold about .5ml of juice by itself

 

[fq06]

Actually, my wifes kit came with a red oring and a black oring coil but none of them were kanthal. They must have packaged the kit with the correct Ni & Ti coils but got the oring wrong on the Ni coil.

Reason I knew it was the Ni coil is from the resistance the mod read, but the oring color said it was a kanthal coil.

Just a heads up on their coils... you may or may not be running what you think if going by oring color.

 

[Mattp169]

Actually, my wifes kit came with a red oring and a black oring coil but none of them were kanthal. They must have packaged the kit with the correct Ni & Ti coils but got the oring wrong on the Ni coil.

Reason I knew it was the Ni coil is from the resistance the mod read, but the oring color said it was a kanthal coil.

Just a heads up on their coils... you may or may not be running what you think if going by oring color.

nice to know joytech still fucks some things up
this is why i have an rta for under the tree. Getting tired of dealing with stock coils and their issues

 

[fq06]

O'l faithful rta/rda's... can always count on those.

 

[vapingbirdy]

You're doing it right starting low and working your way up till it's too hot then backing off to where it's not too hot but you are still getting good vape production and flavor.

~25w sounds in the ball park for a 0.5 kanthal coil, give or take for personal preference.

That's the tank that comes with the vtc mini? My wife has that kit and the juice holes in the coils are very small and you would think they would have a problem with high vg juice but surprisingly they do a fine job and give decent clouds and good flavor.

I have only installed the Ni & Ti coils for her to use though, I dont think I have had her vape with a kanthal coil once with that tank/mod combo.

Maybe that's the difference, she is vaping with TC... just do it... use a Ni coil in TC mode!

Thanks, I'll give it a go and see if TC is better I just bumped it back up to 20w and it is better now, so maybe I didn't let my coil get saturated enough at first. Still not as intense flavor as my aspire mini, but not burnt now and deeper flavor at least.

 

[vapingbirdy]

well if you bought the evic vtc kit that came with a tank
it usually ships with only 1 Ni coil and 1 Ti coil no kanthal

but there is a kanthal coil available for it in both .5 and 1.0 ohms usually the kanthal coils have a black oring
while the nickel have a blue
and the titanium have a red

SO triple check

But that .5 coil is good at 14-25ish watts
its only a single coil


Overall if you search the forum you will find most people saying they do not like the tanks from joytech becuase of poor flavor so that may be your issue

if you have a crown
then they have 4 coils
2 dual coil stainless steel in .5 or .25
the .5 shines in the 40 -60 watt range
and the .25 shines in the 50-70w range
the 1.2 is a single coil and works great from 12-25w
the .15 ni coil is excellent in NI TC mode
you can run that at 50j/w and up to 572F ish depending on your tastes
just be sure with any crown coil to really soak the coils cotton first with lots of juice before firing it can hold about .5ml of juice by itself

Thank you! I bought a separate pack of 0.5 kanthal coils since I noticed that the kit only came with Ni and Ti. I did not, however, double check those to see if they are a screw up batch that are actually Ni or Ti, so I'll grab my pack and check when I get home. I'm thinking it's probably just the tank like you said. I noticed they didn't get great flavor reviews but when I couldn't find kanthals for the uwell and subtank I decided to get the whole kit (it was only $10 more vs just the evic - so why not, just to have a spare tank.) I'm going to *try* to burn through the coils for the joyetech before switching to the uwell or subtank because if the flavor is tons better I probably won't look back at the joyetech...don't wanna waste the coils!

 

[Mattp169]

stainless steel is slowly replacing kanthal for many but not all
its the most versatile metal
it can be run in power or tc mode
it seems to be cleaner then NI
cheaper then Ti

so many coils are coming out in SS
but there are still plenty of knathal coils

but teh crown does not offer kanthal period
but you run the ss coils in power mode all day long

 

[vapingbirdy]

O'l faithful rta/rda's... can always count on those.

nice to know joytech still fucks some things up
this is why i have an rta for under the tree. Getting tired of dealing with stock coils and their issues

This is why I got the subtank...since it comes with the RBA. But I'm definitely not there yet

 

[vapingbirdy]

stainless steel is slowly replacing kanthal for many but not all
its the most versatile metal
it can be run in power or tc mode
it seems to be cleaner then NI
cheaper then Ti

so many coils are coming out in SS
but there are still plenty of knathal coils

but teh crown does not offer kanthal period
but you run the ss coils in power mode all day long

Awesome, thank you. Still so much to learn!

 

[pulsevape]

I'm a vaping newb, but just got in a new mod and trying sub ohm out. I love the direct lung hits but I'm getting a lot less flavor with my sub ohm than above. I think I must be doing something wrong but not sure what so looking for any thoughts.

My sub ohm setup is an evic mini vtc with the joyetech tank and 0.5 ohm coils. I'm only firing it at about 14w because anything higher starts to taste burned almost immediately. My juice is 60vg.

My above ohm setup is the istick TC 40w with nautilus mini aspire tank and 1.8 ohm coils. Only firing this one around 9w for the same burning flavor problem. Same juice.

I have a uwell crown tank and a kanger subtank mini, too, but could only find TC coils for those and I'm not quite ready to jump into TC so wanting to get the current

Well, you've got into vaping at a unique time....the sub ohm tanks have become popular for the sole reason they are convinent,cheap,and blow big clouds...they are not the style of vaping for people who are flavor chasers regardless of whether or not you vape them low or high. generally you sacrifice flavor for clouds.

 

[smacksy]

Well, you've got into vaping at a unique time....the sub ohm tanks have become popular for the sole reason they are convinent,cheap,and blow big clouds...they are not the style of vaping for people who are flavor chasers regardless of whether or not you vape them low or high. generally you sacrifice flavor for clouds.

Well that's not entirely true..the stainless/Japanese cotton .25 coil used in my Crown rivals my best RDA's in both clouds and flavor .. just sayin

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[pulsevape]

Well that's not entirely true..the stainless/Japanese cotton .25 coil used in my Crown rivals my best RDA's in both clouds and flavor .. just sayin

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doesn't touch a gennys...

 

[smacksy]

doesn't touch a gennys...

Old school gennys doesn't work for me at all..super ass tight airflow is only one reason I haven't used one in over three years..but to each their own,

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