Super confused!

NexDeus · Apr 9, 2015

So here's an interesting happening. I somehow made a flavor with no cinnamon taste and smell like cinnamon! I'm an alchemist!!! >.>

So I'm gonna walk you through this step by step to see if you're as confused as I am.

Im making a 30ml (ish) bottle of 3mg/ml max vg Chocolate Caramel Nut (Capella)

I start with my nicotine 100% @ 0.9ml. I then add my flavoring. 15% @ 3ml. Following that is my VG. 23.18 ish ML. Then the saline solution. 0.09 NaCl @ 1.5%. Next the straight Distilled water @ 8.5%.

Shake Shake Shake. ...Cinnamon.

I'm a touch worried about vaping this. I mean....CINNAMON!? I asked my fiancee to smell it also just to be sure. She agreed with my conclusion.

Does anyone happen to have the capella flavoring chemical lists? I know TPA has them but I cant manage to find capellas. I wonder if they snuck cinnamon in there somewhere, but I've used this flavor before (Just got finished with my 10ml bottle) and it wasnt there!

Smoky Blue · Apr 9, 2015

that is a high percentage.. have you tried to lower it..

always when testing something out.. try the lowest first and work up..

with capella, you do have to use a lot, and if i was you.. i'd run that one at 2% and increase by 1% each time..
find your happy spot with single flavors and then you can add t2 together.. tinker again, and you will be putting your own recipes together

cindycated · Apr 9, 2015

How's the flavoring? Wasn't mislabeled?

NexDeus · Apr 9, 2015

cindycated said:
How's the flavoring? Wasn't mislabeled?

Its a good flavor, needs a touch of saline to bring out the caramel and I found like 3-5% Ethyl Maltol with it helps sorta divide the flavors out a bit. I like it

Smoky Blue said:
that is a high percentage.. have you tried to lower it..

always when testing something out.. try the lowest first and work up..

with capella, you do have to use a lot, and if i was you.. i'd run that one at 2% and increase by 1% each time..
find your happy spot with single flavors and then you can add t2 together.. tinker again, and you will be putting your own recipes together

Hey smoky. The 10ml bottle I just killed off was 10% and was in a 50-50 base. I figured the 5% more flavoring for going max VG would compensate. While I've found a lot of information suggesting % similar to what you suggested, I've also read a few things that said that flavor with max VG needed a bit more, which is why I Opted for 15%. I'm vaping on a small amount of it now after heat steeping for an hour. It's actually ok. The cinnamon smell I'm picking up on may be just because of the higher %. Its like your first impulse is cinnamon, but the secondary smell that hits you is caramel. It could simply be that. XD

NexDeus · Apr 9, 2015

The again, that could have been suggested if you werent going to steep it 0.o I wonder now lol

Smoky Blue · Apr 9, 2015

NexDeus said:
Its a good flavor, needs a touch of saline to bring out the caramel and I found like 3-5% Ethyl Maltol with it helps sorta divide the flavors out a bit. I like it

Hey smoky. The 10ml bottle I just killed off was 10% and was in a 50-50 base. I figured the 5% more flavoring for going max VG would compensate. While I've found a lot of information suggesting % similar to what you suggested, I've also read a few things that said that flavor with max VG needed a bit more, which is why I Opted for 15%. I'm vaping on a small amount of it now after heat steeping for an hour. It's actually ok. The cinnamon smell I'm picking up on may be just because of the higher %. Its like your first impulse is cinnamon, but the secondary smell that hits you is caramel. It could simply be that. XD

okies.. you said you had 15% in a 50/50 blend.. that isnt max vg..

max vg is 80vg or higher/20% pg or lower..

you need to start low on every single flavor you have.. get familiar with it, before moving to other things..
max vg or not.. everyone's taste buds are different.. taste and smell is subjective.. what i like, you might not..
and the best way to find something out, is by doing it..

if you keep this in mind.. and start low.. you will never fail with understanding your flavoring..

take notes on everything.. and dont loose them!

Cramptholomew · Apr 9, 2015

I'll interject here, and say that I know several people that get a cinnamon flavor from various mixes. I did an iced tea vape once, that had cinnamon undertones. No cinnamon in it, but there was a distinct cinnamon taste.

Smoky Blue · Apr 9, 2015

I had a cherry taste, when there wasnt any cherry..
but.. again.. if he plays with his percentages.. never know what could happen..

NexDeus · Apr 9, 2015

Smoky Blue said:
okies.. you said you had 15% in a 50/50 blend.. that isnt max vg..

No no no, my first bottle (and experience) with this flavor was 10% in a 50/50 base. This NEW batch (that has the cinnamon tone) is 15% flavor in 80/20 VG. I added 5% more to compensate that it's in VG (The only source of PG in this is the nicotine and the flavoring) It's actually closer to like 84/16 or so.

Smoky Blue · Apr 9, 2015

NexDeus said:
No no no, my first bottle (and experience) with this flavor was 10% in a 50/50 base. This NEW batch (that has the cinnamon tone) is 15% flavor in 80/20 VG. I added 5% more to compensate that it's in VG (The only source of PG in this is the nicotine and the flavoring) It's actually closer to like 84/16 or so.

ok will bite..

what did the 10% in a 50/50 base taste like? any cinnamon in there?

NexDeus · Apr 9, 2015

Not a bit XD

Smoky Blue · Apr 9, 2015

NexDeus said:
Not a bit XD

thanks NexDeus

so it is safe to say, playing with percentage can be cool.. experiment all you want, have fun and vape it all up

NexDeus · Apr 9, 2015

I really enjoyed it at 10% in 50/50, but when it came time to make more (today) I still havent gotten in my new batch of PG so had to go Max VG with it. I guess it's not totally impossible for that to have somewhat changed what it smells and tastes like also, what with VG having a different rate of mixing with flavorings.

juicy76 · Apr 10, 2015

I noticed you mentioned there being a chemical chart for TFA .Is that something I might be able to find on their sight.lol I have had that issue with a mix or two... I thought I was loosing my mind. Or just toss me a link please

NexDeus · Apr 10, 2015

https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/specsheetlist.aspx Under the column "Components"

juicy76 · Apr 10, 2015

Thank you but after looking at this spread sheet. How do I read it properly. Is the information I need to use to prevent me from the cinnamon flavor creeping into my mixes in the components column... Is that what you meant?

NexDeus · Apr 10, 2015

Cinnamaldehyde and Cinnamomum Verum Bark Oil are some of the cinnamon flavor chemicals I've seen. You can look at the components list of your flavorings and see if any of them contain those ingredients.

juicy76 · Apr 13, 2015

Thanks for the information.. Will look ASAP

juicy76 · May 5, 2015

NexDeus why do I get a flavor kinda like what used dish water smells like when I make certain mixes.. What would cause that... Thanks in advance, if you can help

Smoky Blue · May 5, 2015

might help if you can post what flavors are in those certain mixes, @juicy76

juicy76 · May 5, 2015

There are like a ton of flavors it use in multiple combinations......

juicy76 · May 5, 2015

One recipe I remember for sure was the cereal killa clone on most all forums that isn't even close..... Fruit circles sweet cream marshmallow lemon meringue ....blah... Blahhh.blah... I made with most fw with some TFA with a few lower ends water melon strawberry pineapple coconut from Lor

Smoky Blue · May 5, 2015

juicy76 said:
One recipe I remember for sure was the cereal killa clone on most all forums that isn't even close..... Fruit circles sweet cream marshmallow lemon meringue ....blah... Blahhh.blah... I made with most fw with some TFA with a few lower ends water melon strawberry pineapple coconut from Lor

only way to find out is sort them singularly and then start to combine them.. best i can say..

juicy76 · May 5, 2015

That's what I figured... Lol. Uugggggg thank you

juicy76 · May 5, 2015

Is there a list of flavors there from 09... If so where

Smoky Blue · May 5, 2015

juicy76 said:
Is there a list of flavors there from 09... If so where

from 09??

juicy76 · May 6, 2015

Yes please

Smoky Blue · May 6, 2015

I am lost.. you want a list of flavors since 2009?

juicy76 · May 6, 2015

Yes to help clone recipes I have been trying

Smoky Blue · May 6, 2015

Juicy,

if you pop up a sample recipe, I am sure someone can help you out..

juicy76 · May 6, 2015

I think I figured out that the lemon meringue pie in one recipe mixed with sweet cream at higher %'s is the cause of the rotten dish water taste on the exhale ..... Lol

Super confused!

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