That nice warm vape

[Djentleman9601]

Merry Christmas and a happy new year everyone.
I've been making coils for a while now, I've never ventured into the specialty type coils and wires I've always stuck with a standard dual coil build usually on 26g wire, but so far however small or big I make the I/D of my coils or number of wraps I never tend to get a nice warm milky vape I'm after.


Just hoping some of you guys out there could give a fellow vaper a few pointers.

The setup I'm running at the moment is on a sapor RDA sitting on top of an X cube 2 if that might be affecting anything, in case it is.


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[Neunerball]

Check out http://www.steam-engine.org/coil.asp. Use it as a guideline for your builds. Click on the "How it works" (bottom left), and pay attention to heat flux and heat capacity.
The Sapor RDA is an excellent flavor RDA! Personally, I used dual coil 24g Kanthal for my builds. However, I will start using 316L SS wire in the near future, due to owning two mods that support TC for SS coils.

 

[Djentleman9601]

Thanks a lot buddy, I'll go check it now.


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[zaroba]

I've been making coils for a while now, I've never ventured into the specialty type coils and wires I've always stuck with a standard dual coil build usually on 26g wire, but so far however small or big I make the I/D of my coils or number of wraps I never tend to get a nice warm milky vape I'm after.

Are you using a regulated mod? If so, What wattage are you running at and how high have you tried?
Might just be running the wattage too low to produce enough heat to give a warm thick vape.

 

[Djentleman9601]

I'm using a standard dual coil at 0.3 oh, kanthal around 70 watts. Yes it is regulated also.


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[Neunerball]

Are you using a regulated mod? If so, What wattage are you running at and how high have you tried?
Might just be running the wattage too low to produce enough heat to give a warm thick vape.

As stated by the OP, in his first post:

...The setup I'm running at the moment is on a sapor RDA sitting on top of an X cube 2 if that might be affecting anything, in case it is....

 

[skiibo4200]

The rda's they have now have such a crazy amount of airflow you can almost always cut back the air flow to thicken your vapor and increase your warmth. id try building with 24 or 22g as well.

 

[raymo2u]

Twist your 26g and then wrap (5) it on a 2.5mm bit, pull them as close to your airflow as possible without touching your cap and then crank it up to around 80-90w. That'll be a nice warm vape with a good dose of flavor.
If not take a look at my builds in my Sig Link and see what your want to try, I suggest some 22g/38g Fused Claptons....cant beat the heat and flavor on them

 

[Djentleman9601]

Twist your 26g and then wrap (5) it on a 2.5mm bit, pull them as close to your airflow as possible without touching your cap and then crank it up to around 80-90w. That'll be a nice warm vape with a good dose of flavor.
If not take a look at my builds in my Sig Link and see what your want to try, I suggest some 22g/38g Fused Claptons....cant beat the heat and flavor on them

Thanks for the pointer and yeah I'll check em out shag.
I was thinking of actually getting thinner wire like 28g wire, as the thicker stuff you have to build a lot lower to get results, am I right?
Because at the moment I'm just using normal round wire as I don't feel experienced enough using the more exotic wire and or building too low.
So i was thinking of building a 28g 0.2 ohm build on a 2mm bit.
Also how hard is it to build using that Clapton wire and what do I need to take into account when using it.

Thanks for the reply buddy.


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[raymo2u]

Thanks for the pointer and yeah I'll check em out shag.
I was thinking of actually getting thinner wire like 28g wire, as the thicker stuff you have to build a lot lower to get results, am I right?
Because at the moment I'm just using normal round wire as I don't feel experienced enough using the more exotic wire and or building too low.
So i was thinking of building a 28g 0.2 ohm build on a 2mm bit. Also how hard is it to build using that Clapton wire and what do I need to take into account when using it.

Thanks for the reply buddy.


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Your giving up surface area when you go up in gauges of wire. Your resistance will be higher and will need more wattage/volts to get the same amount of heat a lower resistance build. Shot for around a .2 and it should be much more satisfying for you. I would suggest getting 22g or 24g and retrying a simple macro coil. If you buy/use Kanthal your resistance wont be very low, Most of my 22g builds are above .2. A 22g 6 wrap 3mm Diameter Dual Coil would be tipping the scale at around .24 Ohms...
Which do you think would be a warmer vape?

 

[skiibo4200]

honestly most comp builds are simple and effective, and they give that dense warm vapor 22g ID 2.5mm 7 wraps comes in at about 1.7 ohms or so depending on the wire you use and how clean your build is. the thinner gauge wire you use the less heat and vapor you will get, if you want a higher resistance build just add an extra wrap or 2 or increase the ID to 3mm. but if all you have is 26g id twist it like what was mentioned earlier, takes 10 seconds with a drill and has the same effect as a thicker gauge wire.

 

[raymo2u]

22g ID 2.5mm 7 wraps comes in at about 1.7 ohms.

You did mean .17 right??? and that would be with Nichrome80 not Kanthal, Kanthal 7 wrap on 25mm is .2-.23

 

[skiibo4200]

You did mean .17 right???

was just about to edit that haha

 

[skiibo4200]

yeah I use n80 or omega n90 and mad rabbit I haven't used kanthal in a few months I think the .17 build I mentioned is gplat if I member correctly

 

[blakemorder]

I just got a sapor, I'm going to go against the grain here, I'm getting a nice warm vape at only 60w with dual 28k/38n80 fused claptons. Imo the chamber isn't too huge so you should get good results with say simple 7 wrap 2.5mm 24g duals. If you have a drill try twisting that 26g and doing duals with that, and like raymo2u said build close to the airflow like this:

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[Discobob]

I seem to achieve a nice warm vape with 3mm 5 wrap 22g, it's my favorite build in my dot mod

 

[Djentleman9601]

Your giving up surface area when you go up in gauges of wire. Your resistance will be higher and will need more wattage/volts to get the same amount of heat a lower resistance build. Shot for around a .2 and it should be much more satisfying for you. I would suggest getting 22g or 24g and retrying a simple macro coil. If you buy/use Kanthal your resistance wont be very low, Most of my 22g builds are above .2. A 22g 6 wrap 3mm Diameter Dual Coil would be tipping the scale at around .24 Ohms...
Which do you think would be a warmer vape?

Thanks again man, it all makes sense now!
Yeah I'll definitely get some 24g wire now.


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[Djentleman9601]

Went to my local vape store today asking for either 24g or 22g kanthal and the guy said they didn't have anything in but they had pre made Clapton wire 26/32g. Going to try this stuff later, duals at .3ohms really exited for this. Leave me your thoughts on this later please guys.

I'll drop a few pictures later on :-D

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[raymo2u]

Went to my local vape store today asking for either 24g or 22g kanthal and the guy said they didn't have anything in but they had pre made Clapton wire 26/32g. Going to try this stuff later, duals at .3ohms really exited for this. Leave me your thoughts on this later please guys.

I'll drop a few pictures later on :-D

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When you wrap it use your other wire to parallel it (Staged Heating), it will give you a faster ramp up and better results.
Heres an example:

 

[Djentleman9601]

Jesus Christ that looks hard to do, I'll have to watch some tutorials. How long does a coil like that last with heavy vaping?


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[skiibo4200]

its just like doing a dual parallel just using Clapton wire and a reg piece of wire. and mine last me a few weeks easy. I vape 24/7 also.

 

[raymo2u]

Jesus Christ that looks hard to do, I'll have to watch some tutorials. How long does a coil like that last with heavy vaping?


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If you follow some tutorials and buy some tools and gear needed (Swivels are Key) then they are as simple as straightening normal wire but more time consuming, but well worth it.
I build almost everyday but usually I use them for a few weeks then give them to friends or people wanting to try them. They can last a very long time you just dry burn and rinse and then rewick them.
I have a build still in testing that Ive experimented this same wonder with. I use it heavily and its a hot build, 2 x 22g/46g Fused Clapton. I have vaped this build for almost 4 months (rewicking every few days) and it still vapes like its new.


Today, almost 5 months later:


I recently sent @iiKryptic a Framed Fused Clapton Build and if he would like he can see how long it lasts....

 

[Djentleman9601]

Awh man, they look sexy! I need to try them in the future! By the way, how many wraps to reach .3ohms for that Clapton wire combined with my other 26g wire. Trying to figure out on that app you sent me


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[raymo2u]

Awh man, they look sexy! I need to try them in the future! By the way, how many wraps to reach .3ohms for that Clapton wire combined with my other 26g wire. Trying to figure out on that app you sent me


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If its all Kanthal I would shoot for .15 -.2, thats the best warm experience (.3 is good for a tank as it has a smaller chamber). On a RDA with more chamber space you want a lower build to raise the internal temp of the chamber, Try 6 wraps of clapton and do 5 wraps of your 26g between.
When using the app, clapton wrapping doesnt change your resistance much at all so just use the core as the wire your using on it.

 

[Djentleman9601]

If its all Kanthal I would shoot for 1.5 -.2, thats the best warm experience (.3 is good for a tank as it has a smaller chamber). On a RDA with more chamber space you want a lower build to raise the internal temp of the chamber, Try 6 wraps of clapton and do 5 wraps of your 26g between.
When using the app, clapton wrapping doesnt change your resistance much at all so just use the core as the wire your using on it.

Guessing you meant .15 yeah? ok man
Thanks for all your help shag, really appreciate it!
Gona make a start in abit then I'll send the end results later :-D


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[Djentleman9601]

So after I watched a tutorial I took up the challenge and after a long time of effing and blinding to my self I managed to make a vapable setup. Very sloppy but it works, dont think I'll take up the task again tonight and I'll have another go tomorrow when I get my vape Mail.

Found it extremely hard to wrap the two wires and trying to center them.. Well I gave up and just left them as I was wrecking them when centering, which left a horrible wicking task afterwards haha!

But vaping wise even though it's sloppy I definitely get that lovely creamy warm vape and that good hit of flavour, I'm using custard right now and I definitely get that nice creamy taste. I'm very OCD with my coils usually and I won't rest tomorrow untill there perfect haha!

First few drags though was horrible, I think I just had to break it in.
Vaping at a 100 watts right now and reading 0.21 on my ohm meter.

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[raymo2u]

So after I watched a tutorial I took up the challenge and after a long time of effing and blinding to my self I managed to make a vapable setup. Very sloppy but it works, dont think I'll take up the task again tonight and I'll have another go tomorrow when I get my vape Mail.

Found it extremely hard to wrap the two wires and trying to center them.. Well I gave up and just left them as I was wrecking them when centering, which left a horrible wicking task afterwards haha!

But vaping wise even though it's sloppy I definitely get that lovely creamy warm vape and that good hit of flavour, I'm using custard right now and I definitely get that nice creamy taste. I'm very OCD with my coils usually and I won't rest tomorrow untill there perfect haha!

First few drags though was horrible, I think I just had to break it in.
Vaping at a 100 watts right now and reading 0.21 on my ohm meter.

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It looks good for a first try man, much better then Ive seen in the past. One thing, you shouldnt warp them together at the same time....Wrap your Clapton 6 Wrap, Then wrap you 26g in between the Clapton wire. This will make it tighter looking and easier for you to finish. Some of my "Tight Setups"

 

[Djentleman9601]

It looks good for a first try man, much better then Ive seen in the past. One thing, you shouldnt warp them together at the same time....Wrap your Clapton 6 Wrap, Then wrap you 26g in between the Clapton wire. This will make it tighter looking and easier for you to finish.

Hey, thanks man! Means a lot.
Nice one I'll give it a try that way, do you have any tips on centring your coils? I always have a trouble do it. Is there a certain method you use at all?

 

[Djentleman9601]

Man, them setups look real bad ass man, Jesus Christ coil porn haha!

 

[raymo2u]

Hey, thanks man! Means a lot.
Nice one I'll give it a try that way, do you have any tips on centring your coils? I always have a trouble do it. Is there a certain method you use at all?

I normally dont care to center them, I make them for functionality but they still look good. If I do go for a CP then I leave a bit more lead on the Negative Lead and then use pliers to bend the lead over to the Neg. Post. Try and make your Positive Lead go straight into the Post, no bends or anything then tighten pulse and then move around until they are perfect to you.
Check my Sig link for some other build pics Ive done

 

[Djentleman9601]

I normally dont care to center them, I make them for functionality but they still look good. If I do go for a CP then I leave a bit more lead on the Negative Lead and then use pliers to bend the lead over to the Neg. Post. Try and make your Positive Lead go straight into the Post, no bends or anything then tighten pulse and then move around until they are perfect to you.
Check my Sig link for some other build pics Ive done

Thanks for the pointer buddy, how do I get on to sig link?

 

[raymo2u]

Thanks for the pointer buddy, how do I get on to sig link?

Lol I meant Link in my Signature...Just click Here: Click ME

 

[Djentleman9601]

Lol, noob (face palm) will do man

 

[Djentleman9601]

Attempt 2, much happier with this one. Vaping so well! Man just tried mothers milk and cookies by SB also ( I know it's off topic but damn!)

Really happy with my self on this setup