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Vash

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Just visited your site (thanks to this thread). I am a committed NET vapor and have tried products from many vendors. Your product looks promising and your pricing is very reasonable so I ordered a few 12 ml. bottles to give it a try. Like the fool I can often be, I forgot to use the coupon code for 10% off, but that is not very important as I did remember to add the free 12 ml bottle when spending $20.00. Looking forward to getting my order and trying out your juice! Will be sure to let you (and the forum members) know what I think.
I hope you enjoy your selections :)

We are currently working on getting our site redesign done and when that is complete we will be having another special to celebrate .We are adding all new product pics and logo that will make site very appealing on top of the new template you saw when ordering .

Thank you for your order and support!

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ok back to making nets..

anyone mixed up anything decent? :D lol
 

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Special VU members only discount ....Enter code: VU15 when viewing cart and if you spend over $20 you get free priority shipping!!!
I hope you all get chance to take advantage of this fantastic offer :)
I tried to take advantage of this tonight but it wouldn't go through. I went ahead and placed the order anyways as I'm looking for some great new pipe tobacco flavors.
 

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I tried to take advantage of this tonight but it wouldn't go through. I went ahead and placed the order anyways as I'm looking for some great new pipe tobacco flavors.
Thank you for your support and order

That's was limited offer we only ran for few days but if you enjoy your juices and order again please leave me comment with next order of something you would like to sample and I will include free 10ml.

Order is made and will ship in the morning :)
 
Thank you for your support and order

That's was limited offer we only ran for few days but if you enjoy your juices and order again please leave me comment with next order of something you would like to sample and I will include free 10ml.

Order is made and will ship in the morning :)


Now that's impressive service! I'll make sure to share my impression of them and there's no need to spoil me on the count of my bad reading skills. Thanks!
 

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Now that's impressive service! I'll make sure to share my impression of them and there's no need to spoil me on the count of my bad reading skills. Thanks!
Your very welcome :)



Can't wait to hear what you think !
 

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I just wanted to drop by and say thank you Vash. The nets were all delicious. In fact I liked them so much I left a review and I'm placing another order today so that I don't run out.
Great ! Saw your review last night ,Thank you for the kind words my friend
Want to give you heads up I will announce new special today or tomorrow that if you buy 3 30ml or larger bottles choose a 30ml for free ! Will be limited time offer

If you decide to do so just leave message in comments with order of what you would like for freebie :)
 
Perfect! That Nomad will be given to a friend of mine who is trying to find a good replacement for His camel lights. Thank you sir.
Just got your order and will toss in 30ml of nomad for you unless you want something else just let me know :)
 

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Perfect! That Nomad will be given to a friend of mine who is trying to find a good replacement for His camel lights. Thank you sir.
Then he will love Nomad :) Spot on for a camel turkish blend .

I'm actually going to make some for myself tonight as well. Been vaping nothing but teas past few days
 
I'd say.. leave out any water.. distilled or not!

I don't go by weight or ml.. i go by the jar.. 1/4 tobacco.. cover it in your vg/pg and add a inch.. put clear wrap on top with ring to keep it on.. shake..

if you heat..
do not boil it..
do keep the heat up under boiling for anywhere from half hour to 1 and a half..
swirl it around and let cool for up to 36 hours..
test it.. if i is not where you want it.. top off your fluid and have another go..

if you go cold..

same thing as above.. minus the heat
let soak for up to 3 days.. check..
test it.. if i is not where you want it.. top off your fluid and have another go..

some cold maceration may take anywhere from 1 week to up to 6 months..
its up to you.. :)

that help?

have you noticed any actual flavor profile change doiung cold (room temperature) maceration at these times? , does one week taste different than one month? or 6?
 

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Ahh.. Ethervapes ;)
 

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ok back to making nets..

anyone mixed up anything decent? :D lol

I used a mcClelland tobacco. with cold pg extract. let it sit in a mason jar for a little over a month.
I liked it - and many friends too.

Also did a peter something or other tobacco and a Lane bulk 7 they were a lot like grandpa's old pipe. I wasnt a fan
ordered from here http://www.pipesandcigars.com/

I'm about to do more McClelland - was looking in here for more suggestions to try something new too
 

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I used a mcClelland tobacco. with cold pg extract. let it sit in a mason jar for a little over a month.
I liked it - and many friends too.

Also did a peter something or other tobacco and a Lane bulk 7 they were a lot like grandpa's old pipe. I wasnt a fan
ordered from here http://www.pipesandcigars.com/

I'm about to do more McClelland - was looking in here for more suggestions to try something new too


start on spices, Claire..
like allspice, nutmeg, if you can find the root, and not the powder..
altho the powder will work, it's more of a pain to filter out..
cinnamon sticks do wonders..
so does ginger, but i still think my process leaves too much sugar from that.. (coil killer, and i drip!)
mint leaves are always nice.. :)
Vanilla beans and not the pod!!
i would suggest not to use the cold extract method with any of them.. but you can use that..
i just find it takes too long for spices and how i do mine, i'd be sitting for a year waiting.. :p
 

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I have mint leaves outside. Which I'm sure will be dead soon.

A tea will be something I want to do. Nutmeg sounds great!

I have to read backwards to see what process you use.
 

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i wish i had nice pix to go with everything, Claire, and i bet there are a few things i could expound on.. :D
 

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I'm gOing to assume I can do tea same as I do tobacco? Cold extraction in pg for 4-6 weeks
 

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Most tutorials I've written the ones with mainly pics usually worked best.
 

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I did find the following on the topic, seems quite easy with the pressure cooker method, anyone else tried such?

http://blog.v-ecigs.com/2014/03/secrets-revealed-net-e-juice-holy-grail.html
I missed that post some how. I always print out your articles and usually refer back to them several times. You've more or less become my guru... lol
I'm on my second day in slow cooker with a mixture of the tobaccos my father always blended and smoked in his pipe when I was a kid.
I have equal parts of Sir Walter Raleigh, Prince Albert, and Middleton's Cherry Blend.
I'm hoping I can use it, along with a pipe mod, to get him to give up his little cigars and Skoal.
Thank you for the very informative post!
 

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I'm gOing to assume I can do tea same as I do tobacco? Cold extraction in pg for 4-6 weeks


my teas i do different from my tobaccos..
normally i use the mason jars, yes.. but.. i do them on the stove..
in a pot, water up past the amount in the jar.. for 30min to a hour..
just right before a boil..

my tobby's, i do them in the summer, along with my ginger, mints, and i did do a honeysuckle (that one bombed)..
by a cold steep in my laundry room..

you can use the cold extract for teas.. but it takes longer, and you need to refresh your teas as they sit..
just like the tobby's..
 
quick and dirty writeup...

The tobaccos used with description when available

1.Prescott valley vanilla- burley and virginia with black cavendish

2.Imported whiskey - import + domestic +scottish whiskey

3.black cavendish - steam sweetend and fire cured burleys with a hint of chocolate and

4.baja blend - burley and virginia with green river black

5.Tucson blend - sweet blackened leaf with lemon virginias and creamy vanilla, malt dressing and a subtle and sweet rum note

6.mellow- mellow

7.black and gold - black and gold

8.vanilla- vanilla*

9.captain black - captain black

10.Amsterdam blend - roll your own cigarette tobacco

11."Netherlands" blend - roll your own cigarette tobacco

below I will refer to the pipe blends by the lettering of the names and the cigarette tobacco as simply RYO 1 and 2

*I forgot to buy the second batch of vanilla so only had one ounce, hence the vanilla will only be used in a slow room temperature maceration.

The supplies :

All jars are 8 oz canning jars and each contains one ounce of tobacco to begin. The tobaccos were kept in a freezer before use for many days.

A1 series- 150ml PG to saturate. Room temperature maceration (why reinvent the wheel?)

B1 series- 150 cc everclear 190 proof which had been chilled in my freezer before use, Tobacco in this series includes CB, PVV, BC, M and BB .These were capped and placed for 6 hours in a freezer, removed then filterd with aeropress (just experimenting, no reason to break out the vacuum filter just yet) and left open and sitting with a fan on them in front of an open window (per user : Lastlokeans method) . They will be left for 24 hours until a syrup forms.

Upon retrieving this from the freezer and putting it into the aeropress I noticed the tobacco felt "crisp" and "dry" , almost like I'd hit it with liquid nitrogen! , total liquid about 125cc per jar (from the original 150cc used) , questionable as to how much liquid I will be able to dry off.

B2 series - 100% vg , put in freezer, 150cc, TB, IW, BG - checked on after 2 hours vegetable glycerin is gelatinous, removed from freezer and placed with A1 series for time maceration at room temperature. This was an accidental addition as I did not want to leave to go get more everclear.

c1 series - 50/50 pg vg including 2 ryo , 24 hour slow cooker. Series Includes all tobaccos including RYO , purchased a slow cooker but having trouble lowering temperature below 180f

Horrible mistake : I made a jar that was a mix of all the blends minus the RYO , it weighed 14 grams, this I mized with 100 cc 50/50 pg/vg and microwaved and then immedaitely filterd and extracted. I took 1cc and mixed in with 9 cc of 50/50 pg/vg. It tastes...tobaccoish on inhale and...just bad on exhale. I have dubbed it "frankensteins afterbirth" to commemorate its birthday on halloween. I have decided not to get rid of the 100ml or so of concentrate I have, perhaps it will get better with time.

Thoughts : I'm not hopeful about the pure VG but very curious to see how the PGA mix turns out, I'm curious as to wether or not one could add pg / vg in equal parts with the pga to begin with for added flavor effect. The author has purchased far too many mason jars.

UPDATE: My cheap non mercury thermometer broke when checking temperatures 12 hours in, the cheap crock pot is scalding hot, I terminated maceration on the blends contained within it, both RYO1 AND RYO2 as well as the BB and IW. The IW has some kind of foam forming on it. The newer slow cooker I purchased at sears has bathrub warm water, I can place my hand in it no trouble. I'm placing the 4 terminated 12 hour heat extracted jars with the A1 and B2 series to cool.

Nov 1 - c1 series out after heat maceration (9 pipe blends and 2 RYO's), allowed to cool. Will pull 1 ml of each and store for later comparison. 1ml to blend right now with a further 50/50 vg/pg at 14% concentration. I'll check again in a week (might even take more samples) . Planning on 2 weeks total before final filtration.

PGA left to sit an additional 8 hours, some of the jars had 45-60cc left , this was possibly a mistake as I ended up with 15-20 cc when I rememberd to check. Lots of waxy stuff on the side of the jars. I bottled these 5 for later and placed them in the freezer to store.

nov 4th - sampless from c1 series all have a "hollowness" to them, hard to describe, they smell like the tobacco they were born of. They tastwe like it on inhale, a note on exhale, but inbetween its flat, nothing for the tongue to play with even when its rapped against the roof of the mouth filled with vapor. It occurs to me that 14.2% (1ml with 3ml pg and 3ml vg) might be too weak. I add another .75 ml to each from the concentrates I had frozen. Now at 22.5% concentrate. Immediate improvement. I'll let these sit awhile longer.

nov 7 - 2ml samples taken from the still unfilterd c1 series (heat macerations 24 hours) , mixed with 6ml 50/50 pg /vg

also started 2 new slow cooker macerations which will be series D1, one set of 6 will be left in the slow cooker for 6 hours allowed to cool to room temperature and then put back for another 6 hours, the second set 12 hours straight, these will then be allowed to steap at room temperature. 1 oz tobacco mixed with 100ml pg (per boomerdudes reccomendation...actually he said 80 but I round up) We have

sedona - golden virginias, rich burleys and smooth black cavendish with creamy vanilla

bisbee - vanilla burley, virginia and green river tobaccos

black velvet - fire cured cavendish, with vanilla, chocolate and whiskey

prickley pear - aged american burley, flue cured virginias topped with cognac

the prescott valley vanilla and

the baja blend

Nov 14 - C1, I did 2 batches of mellow for some reason so I decided to leave one sitting, the rest were strained , first with the normal filters the aeropress came with and then 2.5 micron filter gravity.

nov 15 -

Heat maceration taste test

C1 series 50/50 pg/vg , 8 pipe blends , 2 ryo's and one blend of captain black with a generic black cavendish at a 50/50 ratio of concentrate.

I ran 7 flavors for taste tests among some friends and decided to call it in.

3 bottles of each flavor mixed at 20%, the first bottle was concentrate pulled immediately after the heat maceration (no extra time) , one bottle was made of concentrate that had been allowed to sit at room temperature for one week after the initial heating, final bottle 2 weeks.

the captain black / black cavendish had 4/5 of volunteers choose the 2 week hands down. One volunteer couldn't decide between the 2 and 1 week.

Imported whiskey - (imported + domestic tobaccos and scottish whiskey) 4 chose the 2 week maceration and one person prefferd the concentrate that had been pulled immediately after heating.

baja blend - (burley and virginia with green river black cavendish) - completely inverted! , some extra folks walked into the b&m and took part, 5 participants chose the baja that had not been left any longer than the initial 24 hour heating. 2 chose the 2 week, no one prefferd the 1 week.

captain black - one preferred no time, one preferred one week and 3 chose the 2 week.

Prescott valley vanilla- (burley and virginia with black cavendish) , 5/5 chose the 2 week.

Ryo1 - 2 chose 1 week, 3 chose 2 week.

ryo2 - another outlier, 3 chose the 1 week, one chose 2 week, one chose no extra time (heat only)

I had freshly ground coffee in a jar for the volunteers to sniff in between tasting, testing was done with participants blind to the age of what they tasted, using mech mods running duel coils at .3 ohm with japanese cotton.
 
Sub Micron Filtration of NET's, final results

So , bring everyone up to speed, NET's (naturally extracted tobaccos) are ejuice made with actual tobacco leaf - flavor that is unmatched by anything artificial on the market. Unfortunately these juices tend to gunk coils.

My experiment here regards using sub micron filtration of the concentrate in an attempt to lessen this effect, my hypothesis being that starches (amylose and amylopectin) from the leaf are the main culprits in the gunking. All of these below were pg macerations, I have notes on ohm and wattage if anyones interested.

Below is the name of the juice followed by how many ml I was able to vape before gunking / burnt taste , then the coil used and finally where applicable the level of filtration.

blacknote sample pack (mix of tobacco varieties) - 57ml , tfq4 coil, unknown filtration size

blend 11 (a blend I made) - 46ml , tfq4 coil (used @ 4% concentration) , 2 micron filtration

blacknote cav only (sonata) - 53 ml , tf-clp2 coil , unknown filtration

mcclelland 2025 - 48ml , tf-clp2 coil, 2 micron filter

mcclelland 2025 (0.03 ohm) - 58ml , tf-clp2 oil, 0.03 micron filtration

kanger protanks 15ml (average of all juices over time at 2 micron vacuum filtration)

I also did not notice any major flavor difference at sub micron filtration, YMMV - word per others on ECF is that flavor was diminished at even 0.5 micron filtration (perhaps different leaf would have different effect in this regard)

So , I was happy to see that the sub micron filtration did seem to have noticeable effect on coil longevity however, we can see from the above (comparison with older style coils - kanger protank in this instance) that the lions share of improvement comes not from better filtration but simply from better coil technology (presumably simply more surface area)

However, if you are vaping 15ml a day and don't want to be tied down to an RDA and dripping all the time or switching out wicking material an extra 5 or 10ml per coil before changing really does add up over time (buying bulk these smok coils are 4-5 dollars a piece)

The reason I used Smok tfv4 coils is that they simply happend to be in stock at a local b&m when I upgraded from my atlantis - I suspect similar results would follow from other newer setups.

I'd like to replicate the experiment to see if 0.015 micron and even just 0.5 micron has the same effect and perhaps what if any flavor difference I would see with other leaf varieties but for now i'll be moving on to some other projects.
 

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