The Search For Butterscotch

[Li tcube]

From what I gather, butterscotch seems to be the holy grail of DIY. Everyone seems to have trouble with this.

My current recipe for butterscotch is:

3.5% FA Caramel
3.5% FA Butterscotch


It's not what I want, but it's the closest I've come to a butterscotch. FA Butterscotch alone doesn't seem to taste like much at all. Does anyone have any other recipes for a solid butterscotch?

 

[Huckleberried]

Seems a tough one for most, really, especially if wanting to stay away from diketones. Have you tried mixing a little vienna cream with that? I don't know if it would work, but I'm sure it'd be good.

 

[DarthVaper419]

Agghh I've gone crazy playing with trying to find a great butterscotch. I've tried TFA, FA, and NF and don't care for any of them. I've heard FW is where it's at.

 

[DarthVaper419]

Also, I've tried making my own using butter and brown sugar, and tried adding these to existing butterscotch flavors with zero luck.

 

[Heabob]

I mix all of them together
FW 3%
TFA 3%
FA 3%
NF 3%

NF had alcohol taste, but the BS flavor is not too bad.

Twas better than trying each individually.

Just got some Hangsen BS to try, drip taste from the bottle is good.

Edited to add:
If you're gonna get some FW BS, be sure to get some FW Butter Pecan (11%) + Madagascar Vanilla (1-2%), delicious.
You could probably even add a bit to the Butterscotch recipe.

I sometimes add small amounts of these, (1-2 drops in 10ml), to Butterscotch:
Brown Sugar
Caramel
Maple
Molasses

 

[JXN]

I'm vaping a Butterscoth Pudding right now from the recipe section, try adding a touch of Acetyl Pyrazine to enhance the flavor.

 

[LoveVanilla]

Do what you want; but for those unaware, FW Butterscotch is chock-full of diketones.

 

[Heabob]

Do what you want; but for those unaware, FW Butterscotch is chock-full of diketones.

Thanks for the reminder, as I forgot to mention it.

And, also the other FW flavors I listed are also full of them.

 

[VinceV1]

Thanks for the reminder, as I forgot to mention it.

And, also the other FW flavors I listed are also full of them.

They use acetoîn, and no diacetyl and no acetyl propionyl for most of their flavors when needed.

 

[DeadShort]

Do what you want; but for those unaware, FW Butterscotch is chock-full of diketones.

Do you have a link to the report that lists this. I'd like to read this myself. I'm sure you read it before you posted this info for us. Thanks

 

[fq06]

FW hands down wins the butterscotch competition in my books. I've tried all of them.

I actually don't like it straight, kind of too strong on it's own (all of them). I cut it in more than half with other creams, lil vanilla, brown sugga, caps vc being dominant in the cut.

Makes a great smooth butterscotch, more like the hard candy flavor... not the butterscotch kisses that are used in actual cooking recipes... that I didn't want.

 

[LoveVanilla]

Do you have a link to the report that lists this. I'd like to read this myself. I'm sure you read it before you posted this info for us. Thanks

It's a poorly kept secret, and not hard to find. Indeed I am one of many who will not do business with FW given their history of lying on this subject e.g. "All flavors are Diacetyl free!" Unlike FW, I do not take fraud and negligence lightly and, in my estimation, their owners or executives should be in prison.

 

[HitSquad]

Loranns has a pretty good Butterscotch... One of the first flavors I checked into with this company and it turned out pretty well goodluck!

 

[VinceV1]

It's a poorly kept secret, and not hard to find. Indeed I am one of many who will not do business with FW given their history of lying on this subject e.g. "All flavors are Diacetyl free!" Unlike FW, I do not take fraud and negligence lightly and, in my estimation, their owners or executives should be in prison.

You seem to rely on rumours.

Here is a list :
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dgcbcda45ghrkad/AACOwhaFQUX41lau0gt2FCO2a/FW Ingredient List.pdf?dl=0

Some flavors are not on the list, and could be candidate for diacetyle. But I don't think FW would release false information on this list.

 

[VinceV1]

Butterscotch Water Soluble Flavoring. Ingredients: Natural and Artificial Flavoring, Propylene Glycol. USP Kosher Grade Flavoring. Usage Rate 15-20% for E-use. No Refunds on Flavoring. Color Level: Clear. Independently laboratory tested Diacetyl free. Contains 1.074% Acetoin

They have this listed on their website.
http://flavorwest.com/index.php/water-soluble-flavoring/butterscotch.html

And acetoin is not diacetyle. So, there is no problem here.

 

[LoveVanilla]

You seem to rely on rumours.

And acetoin is not diacetyle. So, there is no problem here.

Are you new to vaping? I'm not really all that excited to relive the ugly history that belongs to Flavor West. What if you had a supplier who continued loading their products with Diacetyl -- at levels far in excess of any that might be considered benign -- while stating in advertising, on product labels, and in writing to multiple, direct customers inquiries that their products were Diacetyl free? What if such a supplier were provided independent third-party analysis PROVING the falsehood of their claims? And then continued to so for a period that spanned years. How about it Vince, would you still do business with that supplier?

 

[VinceV1]

Are you new to vaping? I'm not really all that excited to relive the ugly history that belongs to Flavor West. What if you had a supplier who continued loading their products with Diacetyl -- at levels far in excess of any that might be considered benign -- while stating in advertising, on product labels, and in writing to multiple, direct customers inquiries that their products were Diacetyl free? What if such a supplier were provided independent third-party analysis PROVING the falsehood of their claims? And then continued to so for a period that spanned years. How about it Vince, would you still do business with that supplier?

I'm not new to vaping, and I don't know the "ugly story".. I would be very interested to know more about it, but I like Facts. Show us the proof. The door is open, we're in.

 

[VinceV1]

Ok Lovevanilla, I found what you meant. It seems that the butterscotch of FW was full of diacetyle (tested). The question is : Can we trust them now ? And can we trust companies using them ? Mount baker Vapor, Vapor Chef, etc ? I found that some people say that nature's flavor makes false claims as well, if it's true, there are many other companies in trouble.

We need Dr Farsalinos to test flavors from suppliers, not third-party eliquid makers.

 

[Heabob]

Once a trust is broken it's very hard, if not impossible, to regain.
Typical problem with most Business today is the "greed" to gain profits no matter what.
So few are concerned about "customer satisfaction" any more.
And yes, some of the other flavor companies are also not trustworthy.
TFA and FA are the only honest ones IMO, and CAP is starting to try harder with the newer v2 stuff now.

 

[Heabob]

I think legally anything lab tested at less than 1% can be claimed as "free".

Because it's so hard, and expensive, to detect at lower levels.

I may be wrong tho, I think I read about it on the internet so it must be true

 

[VinceV1]

I agree with you Heabob. I only trust FA and TFA. Capella is the third, but the use of butyric acid is not something I fully agree with. I use others suppliers as add-ons, in limited quantity, or simply avoid them with suspicious flavors like Bavarian cream etc.

 

[VinceV1]

From what I gather, butterscotch seems to be the holy grail of DIY. Everyone seems to have trouble with this.

My current recipe for butterscotch is:

3.5% FA Caramel
3.5% FA Butterscotch


It's not what I want, but it's the closest I've come to a butterscotch. FA Butterscotch alone doesn't seem to taste like much at all. Does anyone have any other recipes for a solid butterscotch?

Maybe the addittion of the new caramel flavor (with triacetin) from TFA (without diacetyl) would do the trick. I have not try it yet...