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Tpat591

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No not nice but intelligent,disciplined . Pride in their service pride and dedication to country . He is apparently the opposite more of a mercenary then a General . Fuck him ! Airborne my ass !!


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While I was aware there was some animosity in his "resignation", that does not mean there was ever a violation of his oath or honor.
A private citizen can dine with anyone he chooses or consult in a business capacity without violating either or the law in any way.

There is a burden of proof when accusing others of a crime. Somthings Dems only remember when they are accused or virtue signaling.
 
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No not nice but intelligent,disciplined . Pride in their service pride and dedication to country . He is apparently the opposite more of a mercenary then a General . Fuck him ! Airborne my ass !!


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Yea, http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696
I see but I don't think having dinner to celebrate RT with Putin at the table seated next to him
necessarily means foul play.
Obviously it was RT who did the invites, possibly with suggestions from the Kremlin
but I still don't see that it's germane to his ability or trustworthiness. All those big shots hob knob and hang together.
Some of them often get together to worship Baal.
 

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While I was aware there was some animosity in his "resignation", that does not mean there was ever a violation of his oath or honor.
A private citizen can dine with anyone he chooses or consult in a business capacity without violating either or the law in any way.

There is a burden of proof when accusing others of a crime.
Umm rules are different for some EX military and high level clearance types.
 

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If there is any truth to this
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/re...kish-benefactor-has-ties-to-russia-and-putin/
I don't think he's trustworthy. But I'm not sure whether his prior military commitments preclude him
from his activity as per the linked to article or whether he violated the law.
Nine times out of 10, this type of thing is with full knowledge, blessing & at often at behest of the CIA to gather intel.. They just didn't like that he was going to be their boss and had previously announced he was coming after certain politicians & high ranking officials & they turned it against him because it suited their narrative.

They have the burden of proof.
 
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I was just surfing around Berkeley's online course webpage
and came across this
https://www.edx.org/course/journalism-social-change-uc-berkeleyx-j4sc101x-1

Journalism for Social Change
Learn how to use solution-based journalism to impel positive social change.


It used to be that journalism was about being unbiased.
Impelling social change is editorializing and not to be confused with
reporting events truthfully.
 

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I was just surfing around Berkeley's online course webpage
and came across this
https://www.edx.org/course/journalism-social-change-uc-berkeleyx-j4sc101x-1

Journalism for Social Change
Learn how to use solution-based journalism to impel positive social change.


It used to be that journalism was about being unbiased.
Impelling social change is editorializing and not to be confused with
reporting events truthfully.
True.
FOX has no journalists.
Neither do the vast majority of our News media.
It would appear that the left is learning from the right.
 

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True.
FOX has no journalists.
Neither do the vast majority of our News media.
It would appear that the left is learning from the right.
By NOT pretending they are in a foreign country under missile attack when they are really in a studio, NOT talking remotely to another correspondent across town while standing in the same parking lot, or NOT calling a Berkeley Free Speech Rally a Trump Tax Return March that turned violent when Trump supporters clashed with demonstrators like the Clinton News Network has been known to do?
 
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Another Slanted Article:
Heavy Police Presence Keeps Berkeley Coulter Protests Peaceful
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/04/27/political-violence-berkeley-ann-coulter-alt-right/

  • Many of the pro-Coulter protesters have “Build That Wall” or “Trump” stickers across their helmets and several are concealing their identities wearing mirrored ski goggles over their eyes. (Defensive measure to protect from pepper spray attacks)
  • I’m a student here this is not what we’re used to at all,” said UC student Nick Garcia. “This is completely militarized. Some students have been arrested and they haven’t committed any crimes” (Were they carrying weapons or masked in violation of law?)
  • Jordan said given the number of officers on hand and the advanced notice for Thursday’s protests police would likely be able to keep Berkeley in control. (There was advanced notice at other events, but Berkeley Police stood down on 3/4 & 4/15 - Dozens of State of California Highway Patrol Officers arrived to encourage Berkeley Police to keep the peace on 4/27. The reason why there was no violence was police unmasked demonstrators, disarmed them & detained them for violations of the law. This kept ANTIFA away or covert/compliant.)
  • Police said they arrested four people at demonstrations on and near the campus related to the canceled Coulter speech. (This implies that Trump supporters were responsible & arrested - this was not the case.)
  • “No one’s saying that anyone should not be proud of their culture or who they are,” said Proud Boy Chad Lanyon. “We are just reacting to what we feel is push back against our values.” (Picture of guy in Allah is Satan shirt meant to portray all right attendees & Proud Boys as intolerant, infringing religious freedom & Racist).
  • Campus police said one person had been arrested for carrying a knife and a second had been taken into custody for wearing a mask and confronting an officer. (Implies these were Free Speech protesters)
  • But a member of the Oath Takers — who were part of the unruly crowd at the April 15th rally — said they would step in if police did not do their job during the afternoon rally. (Oath Takers were by & large providing security for Rally goers & by & large avoided much of the fighting in favor of maintaining a defensive security line on 4/15)
  • E-cigarettes were in banned list of weapons? - that just cruel & unusual punishment.
This reporter should be ashamed of this biased reporting
 
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LOL. You do say the dumbest shit.

CNN, NBC, and many of the others were spewing leftist garbage years before FOX was a created. I'm afraid the right learned it from the left. :)
Yes but they had to give equal time to opposing viewpoints. Reagan doing away with fairness doctrine enabled all the this party or that party orientation among the media. With the fairness doctrine in place Fox nooz would fold.

Unlike you I just want the facts. No commentary or sensationalism please.
 

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Yes but they had to give equal time to opposing viewpoints. Reagan doing away with fairness doctrine enabled all the this party or that party orientation among the media. With the fairness doctrine in place Fox nooz would fold.

Unlike you I just want the facts. No commentary or sensationalism please.
Time is right - You DO say the dumbest shit!

Fox News has a liberal whining on every pundit panel espousing an opposing viewpoint ad nauseaum on every story segment they air.
 

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Time is right - You DO say the dumbest shit!

Fox News has a liberal whining on every pundit panel espousing an opposing viewpoint ad nauseaum on every story they air.
Bullshit.
who is hannity's liberal pundit? Coulter, Who was O'lieleys? Beck's? etc
And talk radio? Who does Limpballs have on his show as a counter point?
As I said ending the Fariness doctrine enables all the biased 'news' we are subjected to now.

the national enquirer still leads the curve though :)
 
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Tpat591 said:
Time is right - You DO say the dumbest shit!

Fox News has a liberal whining on every pundit panel espousing an opposing viewpoint ad nauseaum on every story they air.

Bullshit.

That is the only proper response to your ludicrous post.

And they don't experience technical difficulties and cut them off like the Crap News Network regularly does to conservatives or pundits calling a story "Fake News".
 

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Bullshit.
who is hannity's liberal pundit? Coulter, Who was O'lieleys? Beck's? etc
And talk radio? Who does Limpballs have on his show as a counter point?
As I said ending the Fariness doctrine enables all the biased 'news' we are subjected to now.

the national enquirer still leads the curve though :)


repost of my edited post for your eddification.

I repeat Bullshit.
Fox is biased as hell.
Please list the same show counterpoints for the above listed Fox pundits?
 

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Yes but they had to give equal time to opposing viewpoints. Reagan doing away with fairness doctrine enabled all the this party or that party orientation among the media. With the fairness doctrine in place Fox nooz would fold.

Unlike you I just want the facts. No commentary or sensationalism please.

What a dink. :rolleyes:

FOX was founded in '96. The fairness doctrine was abolished in '87. That's NINE YEARS of leftist dribble from the rest of them before FOX existed.

And, I don't watch FOX. I doubt that you give two fucks about facts given how you just made up two bullshit stories without any facts at all. Especially when the facts make you look stupid. Anyone with a memory longer than 20 years knows your full of shit.:finger:
 

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What a dink. :rolleyes:

FOX was founded in '96. The fairness doctrine was abolished in '87. That's NINE YEARS of leftist dribble from the rest of them before FOX existed.

And, I don't watch FOX. I doubt that you give two fucks about facts given how you just made up two bullshit stories without any facts at all. Especially when the facts make you look stupid. Anyone with a memory longer than 20 years knows your full of shit.:finger:
Thanks for making my point for me.
FCX NEWS was founded AFTER the Fairness doctrine was ended.

And it should be you're not your.
Are you sure that you are not a FOX journalist?
 

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Thanks for making my point for me.
FCX NEWS was founded AFTER the Fairness doctrine was ended.

And it should be you're not your.
Are you sure that you are not a FOX journalist?
Beck & O'Reilly aren't even on Fox any more. Beck has been gone for years.

I don't listen to Limbaugh, so I can't speak to that. You could learn from that as you have said repeatedly you won't watch Fox.

Hannity speaks alone, then has a guest near end of his show to discuss & provide opposition. O'Reilly did too before he was fired. I know because that's usually when I lose interest & change the channel.

Fox has become very liberal. Hannity, Pirro & Carlson are about all that is left somewhat resembling right there & I don't give Hannity long there.
 
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https://www.rt.com/usa/386345-flynn-investigation-pentagon-trump/
Pentagon inspector general opens investigation into former Trump adviser Flynn
Published time: 27 Apr, 2017 14:08
The inspector general's office has opened an investigation to determine whether former national security adviser Michael Flynn failed to obtain approval prior to receiving payment from a foreign government, a document published by a top Democrat states.
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It seems he was warned but did it anyway
 

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https://insidejbs.org/2017/04/27/the-president-and-nato/
The President and NATO
by JBS President Emeritus John F. McManus

During his campaign for president, Donald Trump frequently employed the word “obsolete” to register his negativity about the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). After he won the election and was only a few days away from inauguration, he repeated his dour opinion on January 16, 2017, with “I said a long time ago that NATO had problems. Number one, it was obsolete because it was designed many, many years ago.”


Is Trump changing his view on NATO?
Now that he is President, he has reversed his view on NATO. On April 12, 2017, he declared, “I said it was obsolete. It’s no longer obsolete.”

[...]
 

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No, Your point was;



Which was factually incorrect and stupid. That's what I corrected, with real facts.

The right learned it from the left.
The left is learning to use 'journalism' as a tool for their benefit.
 

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Beck & O'Reilly aren't even on Fox any more. Beck has been gone for years.

I don't listen to Limbaugh, so I can't speak to that. You could learn from that as you have said repeatedly you won't watch Fox.

Hannity speaks alone, then has a guest near end of his show to discuss & provide opposition. O'Reilly did too before he was fired. I know because that's usually when I lose interest & change the channel.

Fox has become very liberal. Hannity, Pirro & Carlson are about all that is left somewhat resembling right there & I don't give Hannity long there.

I watch no networks news. I read my news. I am not so insecure that I seek reinforcement.

I am my own decider. I watch less than 3 hours of TV in a month. That includes both what they call entertainment and news.
I watch some moves.
But not political ones.
Never watched any of the fat liberal guys stuff either. Moore I think is his name.
 

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I watch no networks news. I read my news. I am not so insecure that I seek reinforcement.

I am my own decider. I watch less than 3 hours of TV in a month. That includes both what they call entertainment and news.
I watch some moves.
But not political ones.
Never watched any of the fat liberal guys stuff either. Moore I think is his name.
Which is consistent with what you said in past, Kind of tough to take an authoritative opinionated stance on how slanted Fox news is when you don't watch Fox News is it not?

Beyond Roger & Me, I haven't seen much of Moore's stuff either.
 

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Which is consistent with what you said in past, Kind of tough to take an authoritative opinionated stance on how slanted Fox news is when you don't watch Fox News is it not?

Beyond Roger & Me, I haven't seen much of Moore's stuff either.
I have watched Fox news in the past for it's entertainment value. Beck was a madman.
I grew beyond that though.
I do not need programming. And that is what they call shows on TV...Programming....
The last Sick com that I liked was Tool Time.

And the Surreality shows are just garbage.

Jeopardy was ok.
 

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https://www.rt.com/usa/386345-flynn-investigation-pentagon-trump/
Pentagon inspector general opens investigation into former Trump adviser Flynn
Published time: 27 Apr, 2017 14:08
The inspector general's office has opened an investigation to determine whether former national security adviser Michael Flynn failed to obtain approval prior to receiving payment from a foreign government, a document published by a top Democrat states.
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It seems he was warned but did it anyway
All this came out after the election & he was vetted. I remember quite clearly them whining about it when he was named. He was grilled by Congress on all this, Vetted & cleared subsequent to the Intelligence Agencies clearing him.

This to me means it was cleared by CIA & he was asked to gather intelligence on his trip. They agency took care of all the particulars.

I don't really see what it matters now anyway. They didn't even have time to put his name on his office door before he resigned.

Who gives a crap? I'm more worried about What Lil Kim is gonna do in NK.
 

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All this came out after the election & he was vetted. I remember quite clearly them whining about it when he was named. He was grilled by Congress on all this, Vetted & cleared subsequent to the Intelligence Agencies clearing him.

This to me means it was cleared by CIA & he was asked to gather intelligence on his trip. They agency took care of all the particulars.

I don't really see what it matters now anyway. They didn't even have time to put his name on his office door before he resigned.

Who gives a crap? I'm more worried about What Lil Kim is gonna do in NK.

yes who cares now. It is all in the past...
It is all Obama's fault anyway.

LOL
 

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Very likely wishful thinking on your part.
Hell of a lot more realistic than believing a guy was vetted by Intelligence Agencies, The White House, & Congress in open & closed hearing and approved to run the Intelligence apparatus of the USA without that having disqualified him.

Think about what you are saying. It is utterly absurd.
 

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What the difference between getting paid by RT or CNN for an appearance.... the fact that one is owned by a government vs one that owns the government.

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LOL.

Think we have to honestly concede that both news organizations are propaganda machines of their respective government Intelligence Services.
 

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LOL.

Think we have to honestly concede that both news organizations are propaganda machines of their respective government Intelligence Services.
Only one works with or for intelegence the others work with or for the DNC. U up can toss the whole alphabet media in with them while your at it.

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Hell of a lot more realistic than believing a guy was vetted by Intelligence Agencies, The White House, & Congress in open & closed hearing and approved to run the Intelligence apparatus of the USA without that having disqualified him.

Think about what you are saying. It is utterly absurd.
I usually assume the worst from politicians and am seldom dissapointed.
 

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What the difference between getting paid by RT or CNN for an appearance.... the fact that one is owned by a government vs one that owns the government.

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CNN owns the government?
A bit of a stretch there.
 
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