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why..why is it so hard to comprehend.....our goverment didn't need to uproot the entire cherokkee nation and displace them to Oklahoma....our goverment could have easily avoided a civil war,but they chose to committ war and kill untold thousands , Sherman didn't need to comitt his atrocities but he did..our goverment didn't need to declare war on all the tribes west of the mississippi and herd them into reservations just to make way for the robber barons to exploit a continient...In fact for a nation whose founders told it's citizens to avoid at all costs forgien entanglements our goverment has gone out of it's way to pick fights and indulge in the mass murder of war as if it was a normal and healthy as your bowl of cornflakes in the morning....look at those cretin John Mc Cain and Hilary Clinton they could have created an inferno of human suffering and then gone on TV and laughed and joked about it...our goverment has used the people of this nation like domesticated animals to feed off of and slaughter with impunity , there is no level of barbarisim I doubt they are capable of.

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Worth it to whom, eh?
 
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Dubya didn't seem surprised as he sat there with an upside down book trying to act like he'd been reading.
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Symbolism of that is particularly meaningful. Most discount it as him just being stupid......

Once you accept where all that steel must have gone, the existence of the SSP is child's play.

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She is right that there is no way there was 1,250,000 tons of rubble on the ground after the event.
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She is right. A large portion of that 1,250,000 tons of steel was in(under) the ground level after the event. The towers were not built at ground level. There were stories of the buildings under ground. In short, much of the rubble ended up compacted in the hole that was the sub level floors of the towers. That's to be expected. It's how a kitchen trash compacter works.


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The multiple slow motion clips showing solid steel turning to dust in mid air before it hits the ground are tough to refute. The steel just literally falls to dust! Wonder what our steel worker would say to that.
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I'll give you an experiment. Get yourself a tennis ball and cover it with baby powder. Then, toss it in the air and wack it with a tennis racket. You'll likely end up with a cloud of baby powder and no tennis ball. The tennis ball did not turn to baby powder. The tennis ball went where you hit it proportionate with it's mass and velocity. The baby powder did the same. But the baby powder, having very little mass didn't go far and left a cloud. The tennis ball is gone somewhere else, but it certainly didn't turn into baby powder.

The steel fell proportionately to it's mass. The dust on the steel fell proportionately to it's mass. Since dust is very light and has little mass and lots of drag, it fell much slower than the steel. The steel did not turn to dust. That's impossible. Like the tennis ball, it went somewhere else(to the ground) much faster than the dust.

These theories are getting to be a bit silly. The towers were not solid. They were hollow. Much of the ground under the towers was hollow(sub level floors). Go get your self two twelve packs of beer or soda in cans. Drink them. When the cans are all empty, crush them and put all twentyfour cans in one of the twelve pack boxes. Throw the other box away. They'll fit in one with room to spare. They wouldn't fit, until you crushed them.

Just because you do not see the buildings in their entirety on the ground, does not mean that the entire mass of those buildings have not been compressed into a much smaller(in dimension) mass, much of which is in the holes that were the sub level floors.

This is common sense stuff.
 
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She is right. A large portion of that 1,250,000 tons of steel was in(under) the ground level after the event. The towers were not built at ground level. There were stories of the buildings under ground. In short, much of the rubble ended up compacted in the hole that was the sub level floors of the towers. That's to be expected. It's how a kitchen trash compacter works.




I'll give you an experiment. Get yourself a tennis ball and cover it with baby powder. Then, toss it in the air and wack it with a tennis racket. You'll likely end up with a cloud of baby powder and no tennis ball. The tennis ball did not turn to baby powder. The tennis ball went where you hit it proportionate with it's mass and velocity. The baby powder did the same. But the baby powder, having very little mass didn't go far and left a cloud. The tennis ball is gone somewhere else, but it certainly didn't turn into baby powder.

The steel fell proportionately to it's mass. The dust on the steel fell proportionately to it's mass. Since dust is very light and has little mass and lots of drag, it fell much slower than the steel. The steel did not turn to dust. That's impossible. Like the tennis ball, it went somewhere else(to the ground) much faster than the dust.

These theories are getting to be a bit silly. The towers were not solid. They were hollow. Much of the ground under the towers was hollow(sub level floors). Go get your self two twelve packs of beer or soda in cans. Drink them. When the cans are all empty, crush them and put all twentyfour cans in one of the twelve pack boxes. Throw the other box away. They'll fit in one with room to spare. They wouldn't fit, until you crushed them.

Just because you do not see the buildings in their entirety on the ground, does not mean that the entire mass of those buildings have not been compressed into a much smaller(in dimension) mass, much of which is in the holes that were the sub level floors.

This is common sense stuff.
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I was a chemistry major in college & firmly rooted in the physical laws of science. Matter is matter & it will exist in the same state before & after the events of 9-11 in the same mass. Told myself The DEW Theory was utterly bonkers for years & all the debris fell into the six subterranean basements crushing the supports that held the spire causing it to fall as well. Never examined visual evidence as closely as I should. The number of pics of intact or relatively unscathed underground structures that were eventually dismantled flies in the face of the theory that all the debris that made up the towers was compacted underground.

Now that I have examined it more closely, I'm not so sure of everything I believed before...... I'll leave it at that as I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Merely thanking Hazy for forcing me to give it a closer look and reexamining my preconceived (or implanted) beliefs.
 
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Tpat591 said:
I was a chemistry major in college & firmly rooted in the physical laws of science. Matter is matter & it will exist in the same state before & after the events of 9-11 in the same mass. Told myself The DEW Theory was utterly bonkers for years & all the debris fell into the six subterranean basements crushing the supports that held the spire causing it to fall as well. Never examined visual evidence as closely as I should. The number of pics of intact or relatively unscathed underground structures that were eventually dismantled flies in the face of the theory that all the debris that made up the towers was compacted underground.

Now that I have examined it more closely, I'm not so sure of everything I believed before...... I'll leave it at that as I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Merely thanking Hazy for forcing me to give it a closer look and reexamining my preconceived (or implanted) beliefs.
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My bad. I thought you were asking my opinion. :p


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Wonder what our steel worker would say to that.
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You asked what I'd say, so I answered.

How much did Dr. Judy Wood make selling her book?

I like Hazy just fine and I've been down all the rabbit holes on the internet years ago. I've forgotten all the stuff I've read about the towers because most of it isn't plausable, let alone possible.
 
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My bad. I thought you were asking my opinion. :p




You asked what I'd say, so I answered.

How much did Dr. Judy Wood make selling her book?

I like Hazy just fine and I've been down all the rabbit holes on the internet years ago. I've forgotten all the stuff I've read about the towers because most of it isn't plausable, let alone possible.
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Can't imagine she made an awful lot. Everyone thinks she is a nutter from what I can tell.

DEW are in fact a reality & have been in use for quite some time whether or not they were used on 9-11. We have seen their deployment on Aegis destroyers in last 4 years & our carriers are currently being refitted with them as well. There are reports of their limited use in every conflict since Panama.

Doesn't make Judy Wood wrong that a strong possibility exists that DEW were employed to minimize collateral damage by breaking up the falling rubble during the false flag of 9/11.
 
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Can't imagine she made an awful lot. Everyone thinks she is a nutter from what I can tell.

DEW are in fact a reality & have been in use for quite some time whether or not they were used on 9-11. We have seen their deployment on Aegis destroyers in last 4 years & our carriers are currently being refitted with them as well. There are reports of their limited use in every conflict since Panama.

Doesn't make Judy Wood wrong that a strong possibility exists that DEW were employed to minimize collateral damage by breaking up the falling rubble during the false flag of 9/11.
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Reading through Dr. Woods bio it appears she is more than qualified to determine how a building falls down...she has extensive knowledge of engineering .including structual engineering as well as materials used in building...she may or may not be right about her theroy of HOW those buildings were destroyed, but should be more than qualified to access whether or not there is anything peculiar about how they fell down....I can't find a reason to dismiss her ideas...on the contrary her questions about the official fairytale just make the case plainer we are being lied to.



Dr. Wood received her

  • B.S. (Civil Engineering, 1981) (Structural Engineering),
  • M.S. (Engineering Mechanics (Applied Physics), 1983), and
  • Ph.D. (Materials Engineering Science, 1992) from the Department of Engineering Science and Mechanics at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia.
Her dissertation involved the development of an experimental method to measure thermal stresses in bimaterial joints. She has taught courses including
  • Experimental Stress Analysis,
  • Engineering Mechanics,
  • Mechanics of Materials (Strength of Materials)
  • Strength of Materials Testing
Judy D. Wood is a former professor of mechanical engineering with research interests in experimental stress analysis, structural mechanics, optical methods, deformation analysis, and the materials characterization of biomaterials and composite materials. She is a member of the Society for Experimental Mechanics (SEM), co-founded SEM’s Biological Systems and Materials Division, and has served on the SEM Composite Materials Technical Division.
From 1999 to 2006 Dr. Wood has been an assistant professor in the Mechanical Engineering Department at Clemson University in Clemson, South Carolina. Before moving to Clemson she spent three years as a postdoctoral research associate in the Department of Engineering Science and Mechanics at Virginia Tech.

One of Dr. Wood's research interests is biomimicry, or applying the mechanical structures of biological materials to engineering design using engineering materials. Other recent research has investigated the deformation behavior of materials and structures with complex geometries and complex material properties, such as fiber-reinforced composite materials and biological materials. Dr. Wood is an expert in the use of moiré interferometry, a full-field optical method that is used in stress analysis, as well as materials characterization and other types of interference. In recent years, Dr. Wood and her students have developed optical systems with various wavelengths and waveguides. Dr. Wood has over 60 technical publications in refereed journals, conference proceedings, and edited monographs and special technical reports.

Dr. Wood started to question the events of 9/11 on that same day when what she saw and heard on television was contradictory and appeared to violate the laws of physics. Since that day she has used her knowledge of engineering mechanics to prove that the collapse of the World Trade Center twin towers could not have happened as the American public was told.
 
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pulsevape said:
Dr. Wood started to question the events of 9/11 on that same day when what she saw and heard on television was contradictory and appeared to violate the laws of physics. Since that day she has used her knowledge of engineering mechanics to prove that the collapse of the World Trade Center twin towers could not have happened as the American public was told.
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So, she came to a conclusion while watching news anchors on tv and then set out to prove her conclusion.

Not really so different than the Ivy League CIA recruits that came to the conclusion of WMD's in Iraq and set out to prove it showing us video of a truck that we can't see inside of carrying WMD's or that Russia hacked Podesta by using code that anyone had access too.

Anyone can "prove" anything, if they pick and choose which "facts" to present and ignore others.
 
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So, she came to a conclusion while watching news anchors on tv and then set out to prove her conclusion.

Not really so different than the Ivy League CIA recruits that came to the conclusion of WMD's in Iraq and set out to prove it showing us video of a truck that we can't see inside of carrying WMD's or that Russia hacked Podesta by using code that anyone had access too.

Anyone can "prove" anything, if they pick and choose which "facts" to present and ignore others.
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Might it possibly be that Dr Wood saw video of an occurrence that didn't fit in with her education and experience of how things work and set out to
INVESTIGATE what really happened and why then came to a conclusion after investigating the facts?
 
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HazyShades said:
Might it possibly be that Dr Wood saw video of an occurrence that didn't fit in with her education and experience of how things work and set out to
INVESTIGATE what really happened and why then came to a conclusion after investigating the facts?
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No. At least that's not what she said.

She came to the conclusion that there was not enough debris, because a reporter said it. Then she set about trying to "prove" that there was not enough debris. Then she needed an explanation of where the "missing" debris went. Poof, it turned to dust.

Magicians have been using smoke to make things "disappear" for a very long time. Using a naturally occurring smoke screen(dust) to claim steel magically turned to dust in mid air is nothing more than a naturally occurring smoke screen disappearing magic trick caught on video. Using this as "evidence" is nothing more than confirmation bias.

Maybe she was a Kansas fan too.

 
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Theory on the USS Fitzgerald ramming


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Funny he cannot recognize the radome for LAWS

 
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pulsevape said:
Reading through Dr. Woods bio it appears she is more than qualified to determine how a building falls down...she has extensive knowledge of engineering .including structual engineering as well as materials used in building...she may or may not be right about her theroy of HOW those buildings were destroyed, but should be more than qualified to access whether or not there is anything peculiar about how they fell down....I can't find a reason to dismiss her ideas...on the contrary her questions about the official fairytale just make the case plainer we are being lied to.



Dr. Wood received her

  • B.S. (Civil Engineering, 1981) (Structural Engineering),
  • M.S. (Engineering Mechanics (Applied Physics), 1983), and
  • Ph.D. (Materials Engineering Science, 1992) from the Department of Engineering Science and Mechanics at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia.
Her dissertation involved the development of an experimental method to measure thermal stresses in bimaterial joints. She has taught courses including
  • Experimental Stress Analysis,
  • Engineering Mechanics,
  • Mechanics of Materials (Strength of Materials)
  • Strength of Materials Testing
Judy D. Wood is a former professor of mechanical engineering with research interests in experimental stress analysis, structural mechanics, optical methods, deformation analysis, and the materials characterization of biomaterials and composite materials. She is a member of the Society for Experimental Mechanics (SEM), co-founded SEM’s Biological Systems and Materials Division, and has served on the SEM Composite Materials Technical Division.
From 1999 to 2006 Dr. Wood has been an assistant professor in the Mechanical Engineering Department at Clemson University in Clemson, South Carolina. Before moving to Clemson she spent three years as a postdoctoral research associate in the Department of Engineering Science and Mechanics at Virginia Tech.

One of Dr. Wood's research interests is biomimicry, or applying the mechanical structures of biological materials to engineering design using engineering materials. Other recent research has investigated the deformation behavior of materials and structures with complex geometries and complex material properties, such as fiber-reinforced composite materials and biological materials. Dr. Wood is an expert in the use of moiré interferometry, a full-field optical method that is used in stress analysis, as well as materials characterization and other types of interference. In recent years, Dr. Wood and her students have developed optical systems with various wavelengths and waveguides. Dr. Wood has over 60 technical publications in refereed journals, conference proceedings, and edited monographs and special technical reports.

Dr. Wood started to question the events of 9/11 on that same day when what she saw and heard on television was contradictory and appeared to violate the laws of physics. Since that day she has used her knowledge of engineering mechanics to prove that the collapse of the World Trade Center twin towers could not have happened as the American public was told.
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She is portrayed as a nutter by any MSM who reports on her theory.
 
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So, she came to a conclusion while watching news anchors on tv and then set out to prove her conclusion.

Not really so different than the Ivy League CIA recruits that came to the conclusion of WMD's in Iraq and set out to prove it showing us video of a truck that we can't see inside of carrying WMD's or that Russia hacked Podesta by using code that anyone had access too.

Anyone can "prove" anything, if they pick and choose which "facts" to present and ignore others.
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except she doesn't work for the goverment....or the banks...she has very little to nothing to gain from speaking out against the goverment fairytale, and alot to lose by questioning it.
 
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except she doesn't work for the goverment....or the banks...she has very little to nothing to gain from speaking out against the goverment fairytale, and alot to lose by questioning it.
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The Mayan Calendar(2012) folks didn't work for the government either. But, they made money on their books. And some of them were considered experts.

Look at her site. There are sales pitches for her book, several of them, as you scroll down the page, interspersed between videos(that also get ad revenue). Of course she had something to gain.

There are better, simpler and more believable explainations than hers. I prefer those.
 
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The Mayan Calendar(2012) folks didn't work for the government either. But, they made money on their books. And some of them were considered experts.

Look at her site. There are sales pitches for her book, several of them, as you scroll down the page, interspersed between videos(that also get ad revenue). Of course she had something to gain.

There are better, simpler and more believable explainations than hers. I prefer those.
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I'm not buying she is under some impression that she's gonna rake in the big bucks off a little website and a few books...but I'm pretty damn sure she wouldn't have snowball's chance in hell of getting a teaching position in any major University because of her views. With her level of education what she did is defintely a bad carrerr move that she did because she felt it was important that people know what really happened......I don't know why I should assume this woman is stupid,greedy,or insane....but not the so called experts that work for the goverment, a goverment that is stupid,greedy and insane. People that write conspiracy theroy books aren't really getting on the best sellers list....they get labeled nutter loony and tinfoil hat wearer...for every David Icke there are a thousand conpiracy writer publishing in oblivion....and unlike David Icke or Alex Jones...this woman does not strike me as a showman but rather a serious acedemic.
 
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The Mayan Calendar(2012) folks didn't work for the government either. But, they made money on their books. And some of them were considered experts.

Look at her site. There are sales pitches for her book, several of them, as you scroll down the page, interspersed between videos(that also get ad revenue). Of course she had something to gain.

There are better, simpler and more believable explainations than hers. I prefer those.
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LOL! Too funny! The most creative explanation I have seen of that is that the world did end in 2012 & Scientists at CERN averted disaster by shifting us interdimentially to restore an alternate time line causing the Mandela Effect.

Gotta admire their resilience! Not only do you defend your theory, you spawn a sequel spinoff!


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I'm not buying she is under some impression that she's gonna rake in the big bucks off a little website and a few books...but I'm pretty damn sure she wouldn't have snowball's chance in hell of getting a teaching position in any major University because of her views. With her level of education what she did is defintely a bad carrerr move that she did because she felt it was important that people know what really happened......I don't know why I should assume this woman is stupid,greedy,or insane....but not the so called experts that work for the goverment, a goverment that is stupid,greedy and insane. People that write conspiracy theroy books aren't really getting on the best sellers list....they get labeled nutter loony and tinfoil hat wearer...for every David Icke there are a thousand conpiracy writer publishing in oblivion....and unlike David Icke or Alex Jones...this woman does not strike me as a showman but rather a serious acedemic.
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A snake oil salesman she is not. Her lectures are snooze worthy and her attempts at jokes fall very short. She is not in it for money or memes. She believes it and actually discounts controlled demolition despite mountain of evidence.

I would only think DEW might be an attempt to mitigate effects of CT.


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Yeah...fuck you I'm millwall try and enforce it bitches.
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Idiots in Britain, France, EU, & even US have no one to blame but themselves. What did they think would happen if they allow it?

Deport these assholes back to country of origin for subversion of the written laws of the land in the country they live so they can happily live under their prized Sharia. Don't bring that here.
 
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Idiots in Britain, France, EU, & even US have no one to blame but themselves. What did they think would happen if they allow it?

Deport these assholes back to country of origin for subversion of the written laws of the land in the country they live so they can happily live under their prized Sharia. Don't bring that here.
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Seriously.... historically we've had alot of immigrants who were communists and socialists, and yet if they had established zones where the neighborhood soviet kicked down the doors and forcibly took over someone's bussiness and establish workers cooperatives we would have put them in prisons.
 
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yeah so what...Ron Paul is portrayed as a nutter by those scum.
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Didn't say she was one. Just that MSM Propagandists do attempt to discredit her. They are protecting a Narrative by seeking to discredit and that alone warrants closer inspection of her theories.
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Seriously.... historically we've had alot of immigrants who were communists and socialists, and yet if they had established zones where the neighborhood soviet kicked down the doors and forcibly took over someone's bussiness and establish workers cooperatives we would have put them in prisons.
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Send them to prison & they do the same there while we pay to support them. They grow stronger. The way to deal with them is to send them back to face what they ran from in the first place, not to let them build the same thing here that they will be in charge of.
 
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Yet another Clinton related death:
Pulitzer Prize winning Wall Street Journal reporter, 34, is found dead in his Manhattan home after he failed to turn up for work
It is averaging one a week for last month. If Trump goes for an actual prosecution, it will get worse.
 
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SNOPES.COM COMMUNITY: WE NEED YOUR HELP
Snopes.com in Danger of Shuttering

Sounds like the CIA Propaganda department is asking for donations....Trump must be giving them hell.
 
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sounds alot like treason to me...
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Secret Service should have him in custody for saying that. Trump has got to stop allowing these traitors to run roughshod over the laws of the land or he will wind up like Kennedy. Sessions seems reluctant to do his job. Wonder what Hillary has on him.
 
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