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Which US Presidential candidate will you be voting for?


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Tpat591

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Deplorable of him.
But I suppose if they import/market it in the USA they are violating the FDA regs.
Nope. Read the regs. There is plenty of time to file the paperwork and the guy hasn't a clue whether P Busardo has or hasn't done so.
Regardless of whether he has or not pointing the finger at an important figure of the vaping industry is kick in the nuts to all vapers.

Tell me, Robert. Isn't that crop you're growing in your backyard illegal also?
 

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Wasn't it crommie, the great predictor who questioned Trump and basically called it bullshit that he'd visit PR then the next day visit LV? Finger on the pulse as usual considering he did exactly that. Pretty spiffy what people can do with those newfangled aeroplanes. Too bad crommie doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground and is still calling a flash suppressor a 'silencer'. Must be all those years of firing water pistolas from which he gathers his font of knowledge. lol

If it weren't for the legal ramifications and the fact that some would see it being done in poor taste given the tragedy I'd be able to wear a go pro and show everyone how simple it would be for a single guy to pull off this 'expert' shooting. Not with live people or live rounds, but a safe re-enactment given the same conditions.

Maybe there were accomplices especially where the explosives are concerned but those didn't actually get used. Just basing it off what actually happened, not delving into speculation about other plans which failed or weren't carried out. For that matter we don't know that the explosives were even functionally set up. Was there a working detonator, were they mixed properly? Simply buying concrete mix doesn't mean you can pour a functional slab, mixing it wrong it may just wind up a big soupy mess of garbage without the know how involved to do it properly. They're saying he was seen with a woman not his known gf. Seen with a woman, in vegas? gtfo. No.. Way. It may make her his side piece but not sure it makes her an accomplice. Not unless she helped him carry the weapons to the room or ran interference with security, helped him gain access he wouldn't have otherwise had etc.

People seem to get all hard over alex jones shit and automatically assume it was a false flag inside job. Hijacking several jets, taking down two world trade center towers, crashing into the pentagon etc all coordinated with one another - that was pretty impressive. A 60yr old guy with a couple guns and a few thousand rounds of ammo using basic aftermarket add ons with several days to drag it up to his room via elevator is about as impressive as a 3yo pushing dog poo through a playdoh machine.

I wonder if when there's a multicar pileup if these same conspiracy folks start looking for the black helicopters, covert retractable barricades and mole people who activated them, obviously causing the accident to create a false flag for tighter seat belt regulations. That's how nuts this shit sounds. Not to say false flag events don't happen, but they do so with an embarrassingly obvious narrative that's quickly driven. That's the whole point, make something look like something it's not - like a muslim terrorist attack, NK aggressive maneuver, russian scandal etc. When something like this happens and there's no narrative like obviously political leanings or terrorist affiliation and authorities are saying 'no fucking clue why he did it' - it defeats the whole false flag purpose.

I don't even think it's logical to suggest the left wing nutjobs are behind it to drive anti gun legislation. They just beat that drum anytime anything happens, much like isis claiming responsibility whenever granny so much as slips on a banana peel in a crosswalk. Like al baghdadi himself ran out into traffic yelling 'aloha snackbar' and tossed the peel in the path of her walker.

People always complaining 'what possible use could someone have for wanting or needing a bump stock'. That can be asked of anything including ice cream. Why the hell do we need ice cream? It serves no purpose, it's not of nutritional value. All it does is makes people fat and yet there are entire shops based on selling just ice cream. They have trucks that traffic the shit to neighborhoods so kids can start working on their diabetes goals. No reason at all for ice cream but look at those fat fucks go.
 

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Nope. Read the regs. There is plenty of time to file the paperwork and the guy hasn't a clue whether P Busardo has or hasn't done so.
Regardless of whether he has or not pointing the finger at an important figure of the vaping industry is kick in the nuts to all vapers.

Tell me, Robert. Isn't that crop you're growing in your backyard illegal also?
Umm the regs say no new devices introduced to US market after 8-8-2016.
 

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Nope. Read the regs. There is plenty of time to file the paperwork and the guy hasn't a clue whether P Busardo has or hasn't done so.
Regardless of whether he has or not pointing the finger at an important figure of the vaping industry is kick in the nuts to all vapers.

Tell me, Robert. Isn't that crop you're growing in your backyard illegal also?

Nope weeds and grass are fully legal.
I said what he did was deplorable AND that what Busardo and many more are doing and have done since 8-8-2016 are in violation of FDA regs.

I have bought a couple of attys introduced after 8-8-2016. But did not buy them from a US vendor so I should be legal.

not had much interest in much introduced after 8-8-2016 since I buy no attys over 22mm nor have any use for mods over 100 watts.
 
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In order to allow the FDA to encourage innovation that has the potential to make a notable public health difference—and to inform future policies and efforts that will protect kids and help smokers quit cigarettes—the agency extended timelines to submit tobacco product review applications for newly-regulated products that were on the market as of August 8, 2016. Under the revised timelines:

Key phrase products that were on the market as of 8-8-2016.
Please show me where they did away with the no new products on market after 8-8-2016 without prior FDA approval?

I will be pleased if this did change.

As I understand it any product introduced after 8-8-2016 must had FDA approval BEFORE it can be sold in the US market.
they have extended the deadline for products introduced prior to 8-8-2016 though.
 

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In order to allow the FDA to encourage innovation that has the potential to make a notable public health difference—and to inform future policies and efforts that will protect kids and help smokers quit cigarettes—the agency extended timelines to submit tobacco product review applications for newly-regulated products that were on the market as of August 8, 2016. Under the revised timelines:

Key phrase products that were on the market as of 8-8-2016.
Please show me where they did away with the no new products on market after 8-8-2016 without prior FDA approval?

I will be pleased if this did change.

As I understand it any product introduced after 8-8-2016 must had FDA approval BEFORE it can be sold in the US market.
they have extended the deadline for products introduced prior to 8-8-2016 though.
I'm not going to show you anything. Go to the FDA website and read it all for your own edification.

In any case, P Busardo has been notified and said not to worry about it so he must have it under control.
 

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Qualify that. It says ... w/o proper paperwork filed and approved by the FDA
Yes filed and approved by the FDA prior to any sale.
This is the PMTA process.

As far as I know there are no approved PMTA applications for vape stuff.
Most likely the first ones will be for cigalikes and maybe sealed pod systems sold by tobacco companys.
 

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I'm not going to show you anything. Go to the FDA website and read it all for your own edification.

In any case, P Busardo has been notified and said not to worry about it so he must have it under control.
Did that.
It proved my statements.
 

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  • Can a new product now be introduced without submitting a PMTA?
    No. The delay for PMTA submission allows products that were already available before August 8, 2016 to remain on the market until August 8, 2022. Any products introduced after August 8, 2016 must have a marketing order from the FDA before sale. That means all new products require a PMTA to be filed and approved.



    http://vaping360.com/deeming-day-is-august-8th-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-vaping/
It amazes me how many vapers do not know the regs.
 

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Did that.
It proved my statements.
Sure Crommie, technically you're correct. But in case you hadn't noticed, the FDA has been turning a blind eye to this, and that's to our advantage; those who want new products have been able to get them.

Now, unfortunately, someone has come along and is making a stink about them ignoring those onerous regulations, so they might not be able keep doing so, which could kinda suck.

The question in my mind is: Why would someone who seems to be a vaper himself do that?
 

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Sure Crommie, technically you're correct. But in case you hadn't noticed, the FDA has been turning a blind eye to this, and that's to our advantage; those who want new products have been able to get them.

Now, unfortunately, someone has come along and is making a stink about them ignoring those onerous regulations, so they might not be able keep doing so, which could kinda suck.

The question in my mind is: Why would someone who seems to be a vaper himself do that?
Because he is an asshole?

I figure that Busardo and many others are just rolling the dice figuring to not get punished for violating FDA rules. And or that those rules will change in a retroactive manner.

Money to be made you know.
 

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Because he is an asshole?
Of that, I am confident, but I'm not sure it's a sufficient motive to do this.

I figure that Busardo and many others are just rolling the dice figuring to not get punished for violating FDA rules. And or that those rules will change in a retroactive manner.

Money to be made you know.
Yes, there's money to be made, and very little risk involved. The FDA generally doesn't start out with guns blazing. They'll usually start with warning letters...
 

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  • Can a new product now be introduced without submitting a PMTA?
    No. The delay for PMTA submission allows products that were already available before August 8, 2016 to remain on the market until August 8, 2022. Any products introduced after August 8, 2016 must have a marketing order from the FDA before sale. That means all new products require a PMTA to be filed and approved.



    http://vaping360.com/deeming-day-is-august-8th-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-vaping/
It amazes me how many vapers do not know the regs.
To my understanding, evolc circumvented alot of the 8/8 deadline by filing patents before 8/8, allowing for a few generational renditions of the DNA board.
IF that is proper circumvention of the deadline, who's to say that others have not done the same.


And still the douche in the video is doing some dirty underhanded shit!
 

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  • Can a new product now be introduced without submitting a PMTA?
    No. The delay for PMTA submission allows products that were already available before August 8, 2016 to remain on the market until August 8, 2022. Any products introduced after August 8, 2016 must have a marketing order from the FDA before sale. That means all new products require a PMTA to be filed and approved.



    http://vaping360.com/deeming-day-is-august-8th-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-vaping/
It amazes me how many vapers do not know the regs.

Dude, I know the regs but am not in the business so I don't keep up on all the little changes and effective dates.
I stocked up on nicotine and equipment for the vapocalypse and the end of the world as we know it.
I've read;
https://www.fda.gov/downloads/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/RulesRegulationsGuidance/UCM557716.pdf
but I didn't fucking memorize it. I have other RL crap in my life that I've have to deal with.
The point is that the guy apparently for the only reason of being anal about the law sort of like you're being,
is trying to bust a coupe of dudes many consider a staple of the vaping industry.

If Phil designed a new mod and he and Dimitri along with a couple of companies
manufacture it in China and sell it via mail from China would they be breaking the law?
Beats me and I don't care but I'm not going to snitch on anybody.
 

HazyShades

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To my understanding, evolc circumvented alot of the 8/8 deadline by filing patents before 8/8, allowing for a few generational renditions of the DNA board.
IF that is proper circumvention of the deadline, who's to say that others have not done the same.


And still the douche in the video is doing some dirty underhanded shit!
Agreed.
There is always a way of circumventing bullshit rules, always a loophole.
We don't need people running to the Man and pointing out the loopholes.
You are either with us or against us.
You must have read where the guy replies to Robin and said:
"Well, like they say, ya' can't win 'em all" as if it was all a joke and a game to him.
It's a fucking livelihood to many and a life saver to all of us.
 

Tpat591

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So what genius put Andrew McCabe in charge of the FBI investigation of the Las Vegas Shooting? He belongs under investigation, not leading one, especially not this one.

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In all probability he actually planned the Vegas Shooting and shouldn't be allowed near the investigation. Sessions is utterly corrupt if he does not order an investigation into this swamp creature and remove him immediately.
 
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So what genius put Andrew McCabe in charge of the FBI investigation of the Las Vegas Shooting? He belongs under investigation, not leading one, especially not this one.

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In all probability he actually planned the Vegas Shooting and shouldn't be allowed near the investigation. Sessions is utterly corrupt if he does not order an investigation into this swamp creature and remove him immediately.
The FBI should just be shut down..it appears to be utterly corrupted by polotics like the KGB.or the Statsi..I mean seriously folks if Hilary Clinton can fail to comply with the law erase 30,000 emails and bust up blackberries with a hammer and you still CAN'T find a reason to recommend she be indited...then what the hell are you being paid to do....but to protect the criminals....putting Mc Cabe in charge pretty much points to the fact they want to bury the truth whatever it is....the FBI isn't interested in Investigating the truth, they are in the bussiness of burying the truth or using it as political leverage.
 
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Burgdal to plead guilty to desertion......so glad we gave up those prisoners for him great move Barry

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Tpat591

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The FBI should just be shut down..it appears to be utterly corrupted by polotics like the KGB.or the Statsi..I mean seriously folks if Hilary Clinton can fail to comply with the law erase 30,000 emails and bust up blackberries with a hammer and you still CAN'T find a reason to recommend she be indited...then what the hell are you being paid to do....but to protect the criminals....putting Mc Cabe in charge pretty much points to the fact they want to bury the truth whatever it is....the FBI isn't interested in Investigating the truth, they are in the bussiness of burying the truth or using it as political leverage.
McCabe personally led the FBI investigation into Hillary's emails as well. He belongs in prison withe Comey and the rest!
 
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