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Brandontf8o8

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Hey guys just started DIY mixing and bought 100mg/ml PG nic base when I did my first order about 2 months ago.

Since then I've noticed the nic has gone from a clear state to sort of a champagne color and it is getting darker.

Haven't noticed a difference in flavor yet but wondering when it's time to toss out the nic and grab a new one?

I have hardly used any of the nic so probably gonna go down to a lower dilution

Thoughts?

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How are you storing it? I have left some out at room temperature and it changes like that also. As long as it does taste harsh or peppery I'm sure it's fine.
 

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Used to keep it in the fridge but started keeping it in a cupboard in the basement.

Average temp down there now is around 60 degrees so figured that was ok. Didn't want to keep it next to the food as the fridge started filling up.



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Same with mine, got it and it was clear now it's about what you describe, I was actually going to ask the same thing so good to hear it's no big deal:)
 

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I usually buy 500-1000ml at a time and I leave some out to work with (60-120ml) and freeze the rest in 60-120ml Amber Glass bottles. When needed (when my working supply is almost gone) I just take one out of the freezer. It won't actually freeze, (no worries about broken glass, it contracts a tad as it gets colder, unlike water) it just gets thicker

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No offense? I don't make the stuff xD haven't tried any other brands so have nothing to compare to but everyone on here gives it good marks so meh

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I had two 15ml bottles of nic on my desk when our ac went out a few weeks ago, one VT and the other was from Nicotine River. The Vt nic got that dark, pinkish hue you just described. The NR remained clear as water. There was no noticeable difference in the taste of either, but I thought it strange that the VT started to oxidize, but the NR didn't.
 

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Hahaha. Grab the to he's and pitchforks \`.'/

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Put it in the freezer if its pg or vg based this will add a good 3 years to shelf life. Just don't forget to put it back when your finished or it doesn't do much good. :confused:
 

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I get my Nic from Myfreedomsmokes.com. Been very pleased with it. I get 48% but since I DIY 3-5mg it last forever. I store it in the freezer and haven't had any oxidation issues so far. I usually buy 240ml at a time, which will last a few months and I'm on my 3rd order.
 

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Its also worth stating that you should be worried if your nicotine doesn't darken what so ever. I got 2L of Vg nicotine from RTS (don't ever order from them fyi) one had darkened into a dark pinkish red, the other is just as yellow as the first day I opened it. Both from the same batch, both made on the same day, according to the company. Its my best guess that nicotine companies are adding titanium dioxide to nicotine to make it seem like it stays fresh forever. Personally if it doesn't darken I get scared with what they added in to get that effect.
 

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Good point. Generally speaking what is the average shelf life of nic under normal circumstances?

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1 year is the recommend limit for storage in room temp, 3 years if it is stored in a freezer.
 

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Aqesome. Thabks

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I have some chemovatic nic (uk sourced) which is alleged to be the same as VT nic and its crystal clear

ChemNOVATIC is the logo used at VT NIC I thought... thinking that that would be the same source then

I know a lot of folks love the nic and I don't want the pitch forks after my blood.

is that a crowd carrying torches i see in the distance!? :p
 

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Its also worth stating that you should be worried if your nicotine doesn't darken what so ever. I got 2L of Vg nicotine from RTS (don't ever order from them fyi) one had darkened into a dark pinkish red, the other is just as yellow as the first day I opened it. Both from the same batch, both made on the same day, according to the company. Its my best guess that nicotine companies are adding titanium dioxide to nicotine to make it seem like it stays fresh forever. Personally if it doesn't darken I get scared with what they added in to get that effect.

You are claiming "nicotine companies" intentionally add a suspected carcinogen to their nic base?
You should either provide actual evidence or distance yourself from such libelous claims or "best guesses".
 

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I get my Nic from Myfreedomsmokes.com. Been very pleased with it. I get 48% but since I DIY 3-5mg it last forever. I store it in the freezer and haven't had any oxidation issues so far. I usually buy 240ml at a time, which will last a few months and I'm on my 3rd order.

Some of my MFS ( myfreedomsmokes) Nic ( a few litres of 100% VG 60MG ) is over two years old and in the freezer and like Wings fan, I take out what I think I need to use for a month or so and put the rest back in the freezer. Mine are in glass and are as clear as the day I bought them and not peppery tasting either.

Id love to try VT nic, but Im so invested in my MFS Nic that I will use it until It gets funky or I run out.

I have read from several sources in many threads and forums and on sites such as Wizard Labs and countless ECF discussions that Nic's shelf life in a freezer stored in glass should be at least 5 years, 2 years or so in plastic in the freezer, so Ive followed that rule of thumb and started off from the get-go putting all of mine in glass and straight to the freezer. Does it go bad or does it just loose strength, I dont know.

40 year old World War II can goods in C-Rations were still perfectly good in the mid and late 1970's , I know because I ate hundereds of them ( and smoked the non filter cigarettes in those C- rations as well..lol ) as well as the crackers and the chocolate in those rations. If these C- Rations were made today and canned the same way, they would probably be given a two year shelf life, so I dont really know the answer and I seriously doubt anyone else knows here as well.

I dont think anyone here knows unless some sort of testing is done over a long period of time and with several different brands and in at least three types of conditions (moderate room temp, Freezer and refrigerator) . I think we would all like to see a report like that. I also think there is too much speculation without the facts to back it up. After a while, speculation becomes fact it seems on any forum or in todays world on several fronts. Without those facts, I would say to just be carefull and use your own judgement.

I agree with Byron that if it tastes good still and the smell is ok to you, it probably is still good. If its funky, throw it out.

I actually stopped using a certain brand due to funky smelling and tasting Nic after a short time of receiving it, as well as a batch that was bad right from the day I got it. By bad, I mean smelled like shit and was very peppery. Thats the extent of my scientific knowledge, " smells like shit" and "too peppery", although I do read everything I can get my hands on about the matter. Its my lungs and my body, so why not.

Without seeing some actual documentation of when its bad, why its bad, or how to test a smalll batch at home to see that it is bad, I will just rely on my own judgement. I also like to listen to what everyone here has to say about your own experiences with it and I will gauge my own experiences with yours....... sometimes. ;)

Alright, Im rambling now. Im going back to my corner. Im done. :)
 

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I meant it as a expressionist/customary statement. I know a lot of folks love the nic and I don't want the pitch forks after my blood. :) Just replying to your question related to oxidation. I'm a picky vaper of nic. I have some chemovatic nic (uk sourced) which is alleged to be the same as VT nic and its crystal clear. It is many months old and has been sitting out as a experiment.

Yeah, gotta watch the pitchforks when discussing VT. :D

VT uses Chemnovatic nic and the reason your Chemnovatic nic lasts longer than VT before oxidation is because you left out the middle man in the supply chain.

The nic goes from manufacturer to distributer to Chemnovatic to VT to you.

or in your case,

The nic goes from manufacturer to distributer to Chemnovatic to you.

Shorter chain. Fewer hands. Fresher nic.

That long chain is why VT has so much oxidized, throat hit nic, for sale.
 

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You are claiming "nicotine companies" intentionally add a suspected carcinogen to their nic base?
You should either provide actual evidence or distance yourself from such libelous claims or "best guesses".

Just my observation and I never claimed anything but a theory, Nicotine should darken, period. We didn't store it in a freezer or any special conditions. The company admitted to adding stuff into their nicotine. What it is I don't know. Why only some darken and not all I don't know. Best guess is there is something added in (which the company admitted) , hate on me all you want its just my observation.
 

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Just my observation and I never claimed anything but a theory, Nicotine should darken, period. We didn't store it in a freezer or any special conditions. The company admitted to adding stuff into their nicotine. What it is I don't know. Why only some darken and not all I don't know. Best guess is there is something added in (which the company admitted) , hate on me all you want its just my observation.
No one's hating on anyone, but you have to understand that folks here have done a lot of their own research regarding the materials we use in vaping, making our own juices, and the effects they have/could have on our bodies. It's obvious the FDA isn't putting themselves out, and who can believe their findings 100% anyway? If anyone has proof of ill effects or mishandling of anything we're using, we'd like to see it, because to be honest, what you're implying goes against the personal research of many here.
 

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Just my observation and I never claimed anything but a theory, Nicotine should darken, period. We didn't store it in a freezer or any special conditions. The company admitted to adding stuff into their nicotine. What it is I don't know. Why only some darken and not all I don't know. Best guess is there is something added in (which the company admitted) , hate on me all you want its just my observation.

How did you derive "hate" out of HIC's comment?
 

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No one's hating on anyone, but you have to understand that folks here have done a lot of their own research regarding the materials we use in vaping, making our own juices, and the effects they have/could have on our bodies. It's obvious the FDA isn't putting themselves out, and who can believe their findings 100% anyway? If anyone has proof of ill effects or mishandling of anything we're using, we'd like to see it, because to be honest, what you're implying goes against the personal research of many here.

In what respects am I going against research this is my research, not yours? i'm just telling you what happen not sure what the big deal is, im not getting in an argument over my opinion. I'm just stating what I experienced because Im in the group of people that do their own research too. All i know is some of rts nicotine doesn't darken no matter how old it is, I don't know what they put in it to give it this effect, but the simple fact that unknown chemicals are added in to give it this effect is enough for me to not use them. I also had their VG nicotine test positive for diacetyl if you really want to go there. They denied this of course like most all companies in our industry rather than correcting it. So I take them as a shady company from that experience. Im not talking shit just stating what has happened to me and why I don't approve of consumers buying nicotine that has added chemicals. im not making any of this up, and the company themselves had agreed that they added stuff to the nicotine. If its added the customer should be aware. This is an issue of the laws of labeling since ingredients under 1% don't need to be labeled. People need to make their own decisions not read an article and take if for truth. This is my opinion whats yours?
 

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In what respects am I going against research this is my research, not yours? i'm just telling you what happen not sure what the big deal is, im not getting in an argument over my opinion. I'm just stating what I experienced because Im in the group of people that do their own research too. All i know is some of rts nicotine doesn't darken no matter how old it is, I don't know what they put in it to give it this effect, but the simple fact that unknown chemicals are added in to give it this effect is enough for me to not use them. I also had their VG nicotine test positive for diacetyl if you really want to go there. They denied this of course like most all companies in our industry rather than correcting it. So I take them as a shady company from that experience. Im not talking shit just stating what has happened to me and why I don't approve of consumers buying nicotine that has added chemicals. im not making any of this up, and the company themselves had agreed that they added stuff to the nicotine. If its added the customer should be aware. This is an issue of the laws of labeling since ingredients under 1% don't need to be labeled. People need to make their own decisions not read an article and take if for truth. This is my opinion whats yours?
 

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In what respects am I going against research this is my research, not yours? i'm just telling you what happen not sure what the big deal is, im not getting in an argument over my opinion. I'm just stating what I experienced because Im in the group of people that do their own research too. All i know is some of rts nicotine doesn't darken no matter how old it is, I don't know what they put in it to give it this effect, but the simple fact that unknown chemicals are added in to give it this effect is enough for me to not use them. I also had their VG nicotine test positive for diacetyl if you really want to go there. They denied this of course like most all companies in our industry rather than correcting it. So I take them as a shady company from that experience. Im not talking shit just stating what has happened to me and why I don't approve of consumers buying nicotine that has added chemicals. im not making any of this up, and the company themselves had agreed that they added stuff to the nicotine. If its added the customer should be aware. This is an issue of the laws of labeling since ingredients under 1% don't need to be labeled. People need to make their own decisions not read an article and take if for truth. This is my opinion whats yours?
Pretty sure I gave you my opinion in a polite manner (You quoted it, so I assumed you read it - my bad). All we asked you for were links to your so-called "research", in case anything you were saying was indeed fact and something we needed to know. If your facts (still pending) refute what we've researched as truth, then for the sake of our safety, we would like to know. But since you seem to be unable/unwilling to share your "research" with links to reputable websites to back up what you're saying, we must all assume that anything you've stated is conjecture and conspiracy theory. Opinions mean little to me as opposed to facts. There's a reason opinions are compared to a certain bodily orifice. Consider the source.
 
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Found a new way to sow mass hysteria I have ...

*Evil laugh*

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Pretty sure I gave you my opinion in a polite manner (You quoted it, so I assumed you read it - my bad). All we asked you for were links to your so-called "research", in case anything you were saying was indeed fact and something we needed to know. If your facts (still pending) refute what we've researched as truth, then for the sake of our safety, we would like to know. But since you seem to be unable/unwilling to share your "research" with links to reputable websites to back up what you're saying, we must all assume that anything you've stated is conjecture and conspiracy theory. Opinions mean little to me as opposed to facts. There's a reason opinions are compared to a certain bodily orifice. Consider the source.

Of what the phone call I had with RTS. If you really don't believe me call them yourselves and ask if they add coconut into their nicotine. This argument is pointless, and you really have taken from this guy just trying to get info on good nicotine.
 

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It took you four days to cite posts from ECF and Reddit as scientific fact. I believe it's time to stop wasting my time here and go do something productive, like make ejuice - with my USP approved, clean ingredients from my favorite trusted vendors.
After I make a quick pit stop by my "ignore" list, that is. I prefer not to litter my feed with blowhard idiots.
Vape on, guys! :)
 

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Of what the phone call I had with RTS. If you really don't believe me call them yourselves and ask if they add coconut into their nicotine. This argument is pointless, and you really have taken from this guy just trying to get info on good nicotine.

I can see how you followed a chain of facts to get that impression, but here are the facts:
rtsvapes sells nic diluted with VG or PG. (as shown here)
rtsvapes' VG is sourced from coconuts (as shown here)
rtsvapes of course adds this VG to pure nic to produce their VG-based nicotine.
Other VG uses combos of palm oil, soy, corn, etc. - numerous "vegetable" sources exist. For example here's some from soy.

One would say rtsvapes' nic "contains" coconut only if one would say that other "contains" soybeans. These are all raw ingredients, which are hydrolyzed to produce VG. You can read about VG and hydrolysis here: http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/what-is-vegetable-glycerin/
 

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It took you four days to cite posts from ECF and Reddit as scientific fact. I believe it's time to stop wasting my time here and go do something productive, like make ejuice - with my USP approved, clean ingredients from my favorite trusted vendors.
After I make a quick pit stop by my "ignore" list, that is. I prefer not to litter my feed with blowhard idiots.
Vape on, guys! :)

You have vested interest in what your saying, I don't work with or for these companies and am slightly less bias in my opinion.
 

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Crap no popcorn eating emote dang it!!!:D

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