What authentic companies are doing.

[chris.ardito.3]

I saw this on Facebook VAPINGwithtwisted420 post this

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=354660118036960&id=223145597855080


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[BigNasty]

I would rather use a logo less clone in a style than a goobered up knock off.
Style over scribbling.

 

[M5amhan]

i think the first few comments there pretty much summed it up. maybe they get them to remove logos but that's all, there is no stopping them from actually cloning the product and these authentic dealers are just going to burn a shit load of money trying to do the impossible

 

[BigNasty]

Hey the logo less (i keep thinking about that nancy elf bastard in LOTR) paps is a good example.
Clean lines, no shit marring up the flow... China needs to just remove all logos and call it feng shui.

 

[ej1024]

They can't sue china cuz they ain't here in the USA, USA vendors have to find a way to lower their prices,I don't care what logo they put its all abput the HIT..seriously,IF THE CLINTON DIDNT OPEN ITS MARKET TO THE CHINA,THIS CLONE PROBLEM WILL NEVER HAPPEN
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[BigNasty]

They can't sue china cuz they ain't here in the USA, USA vendors have to find a way to lower their prices,I don't care what logo they put its all abput the HIT..seriously,IF THE CLINTON DIDNT OPEN ITS MARKET TO THE CHINA,THIS CLONE PROBLEM WILL NEVER HAPPEN
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Come on it was all Bush's fault... I so hate Clitnom and her ilk.

 

[Midniteoyl]

If they dont actually register the claimed Trademark, they cant do squat...

http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/basics/register.jsp


Is registration of my mark required?

No. You can establish rights in a mark based on legitimate use of the mark. However, owning a federal trademark registration on the Principal Register provides several advantages, e.g.,

• constructive notice to the public of the registrant's claim of ownership of the mark;
• a legal presumption of the registrant's ownership of the mark and the registrant's exclusive right to use the mark nationwide on or in connection with the goods and/or services listed in the registration;
• the ability to bring an action concerning the mark in federal court;
• the use of the U.S registration as a basis to obtain registration in foreign countries; and
• the ability to file the U.S. registration with the U.S. Customs Service to prevent importation of infringing foreign goods.

 

[BigNasty]

If they dont actually register the claimed Trademark, they cant do squat...

http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/basics/register.jsp


Is registration of my mark required?

No. You can establish rights in a mark based on legitimate use of the mark. However, owning a federal trademark registration on the Principal Register provides several advantages, e.g.,

• constructive notice to the public of the registrant's claim of ownership of the mark;
• a legal presumption of the registrant's ownership of the mark and the registrant's exclusive right to use the mark nationwide on or in connection with the goods and/or services listed in the registration;
• the ability to bring an action concerning the mark in federal court;
• the use of the U.S registration as a basis to obtain registration in foreign countries; and
• the ability to file the U.S. registration with the U.S. Customs Service to prevent importation of infringing foreign goods.

I had something snarky and witty about Customs... but could not motivate myself to type it.

 

[Midniteoyl]

LOL!

 

[ghost62]

Come on it was all Bush's fault... I so hate Clitnom and her ilk.

Nixon started it

 

[ej1024]

Come on it was all Bush's fault... I so hate Clitnom and her ilk.

bro look it up,Clinton open the market up

 

[ghost62]

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/nixon-arrives-in-china-for-talks

 

[Celtic Fog]

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/nixon-arrives-in-china-for-talks

thank you for correcting @ej1024 LOL, I was bumping a made in china walkman in '86, while doing my homework under a made in china desk lamp.

 

[travanx]

bro look it up,Clinton open the market up

I thought it was NAFTA too.

 

[Celtic Fog]

the sad truth is, they can not stop clones, they can only stop trademark copies, the lawyers know this but will milk every dollar they can from the ignorant individuals that own the companies that hire them here in America....i fucking hate lawyers.

 

[Midniteoyl]

I thought it was NAFTA too.

North American Free Trade Agreement = Not China

 

[Tripster]

If Authentic Manufacturers actually legitimately calculated their pricing of their mods/atties and the cost of sustaining their business while maintaining Supply & Demand, they will see they do not need to overprice their shit.

 

[Lefty]

bro look it up,Clinton open the market up

Ok I did. China regained (suspended since 1951) Most Favored Nation status in 1980. Reagan. Renewed yearly by Pappy Bush then Clinton and made permanent in 2001 by GW.

 

[James]

I dont think programing a laser etch in to a computer is anyway art . I am all for protecting art from counterfiting but something turned out by the hundreds by a computer is not art , even if it is on a battery tube .

 

[StrappedKaos]

Nother Afternoon of Fucking That Ass = NAFTA

Easy way to fix this-
To join or invest money into the mod business is a horrible asset liability, with things like fda/clones/saturation there is a huge risk to reward outcome.
Consider this- by outsourcing the metal tube and the logo etching to china as they can mas produce this part for super cheap and fast. Keep the button and intricate work on us soil and bam profit, or vise versa. We cant compete with the cost of manufacturing but to leave them with the intricacies are a bad idea as that seems to be the biggest difference between clone vs authentic. If you can do that and offer a warranty that flat out beats china since you handled the button/contacts in us and priced 20-50.00 over the clones it would drive customers to authentics because of price vs warranty and shipping time.
Or even a low line and high line depending on warranty/quality of materials used. Let the customer decide what they ultimately are wanting as a final product and watch your company flourish. We know there is a market for both so why not corner that market and sell both from a legit company.

 

[TheDude]

Come on it was all Bush's fault... I so hate Clitnom and her ilk.

Lol, "her"?....before Hilary there was another Clinton, her husband Bill. He was the POTUS and yes one of his legacies was open trade with China...wow I feel old.

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[BigNasty]

Lol, "her"?....before Hilary there was another Clinton, her husband Bill. He was the POTUS and yes one of his legacies was open trade with China...wow I feel old.

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She was the one that was pushing this horrible shit that is Obamacare.. she was warned off and if you think that sax blowing chuckle head was the one pulling the strings you are mistaken. Like Obozo the golf playing dip shit is in charge.. that is Valery Jarret.
Clitnom is horribly well known skirt chaser worse than slick silly... as long as it was low key he got to bang the broads and so did she.

 

[TheDude]

Obamacare? What are you talking about? Stay on topic, I was referring to your mistaken reference to the wrong Clinton in regards to China trade...
http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/10/0615/WTO.html
An interesting article.

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[jae]

She was the one that was pushing this horrible shit that is Obamacare.. she was warned off and if you think that sax blowing chuckle head was the one pulling the strings you are mistaken. Like Obozo the golf playing dip shit is in charge.. that is Valery Jarret.
Clitnom is horribly well known skirt chaser worse than slick silly... as long as it was low key he got to bang the broads and so did she.

 

[Midniteoyl]

I dont think programing a laser etch in to a computer is anyway art . I am all for protecting art from counterfiting but something turned out by the hundreds by a computer is not art , even if it is on a battery tube .

If its an original design it is.. Someone drew it in the first place, ya know?

Now, if they took an image from the web (Nemesis, King, Chi-You, etc..), then NO, its not art. Or copyrighted...

 

[Midniteoyl]

Nother Afternoon of Fucking That Ass = NAFTA

Easy way to fix this-
To join or invest money into the mod business is a horrible asset liability, with things like fda/clones/saturation there is a huge risk to reward outcome.
Consider this- by outsourcing the metal tube and the logo etching to china as they can mas produce this part for super cheap and fast. Keep the button and intricate work on us soil and bam profit, or vise versa. We cant compete with the cost of manufacturing but to leave them with the intricacies are a bad idea as that seems to be the biggest difference between clone vs authentic. If you can do that and offer a warranty that flat out beats china since you handled the button/contacts in us and priced 20-50.00 over the clones it would drive customers to authentics because of price vs warranty and shipping time.
Or even a low line and high line depending on warranty/quality of materials used. Let the customer decide what they ultimately are wanting as a final product and watch your company flourish. We know there is a market for both so why not corner that market and sell both from a legit company.

Oh, you mean like Beyond Vape

 

[MrScaryZ]

Gov. of the US has been in bed with the Chinese for longer than most of us have been alive nothing will occur with this ...Its international law and for something to the Gov as unimportant as a steel tube nothing will ever happen

 

[TygerTyger]

I can't help but think that if they're making (and now spending!) the kind of stupendous money that would stem the flow of even a tiny portion of the goods rolling in from China, well.... then why the hell don't they bring prices down, sell more authentics, and skip all the legal battling and stress?... and we can all vape happily ever after! #justsayin

 

[Roger Schaeffer]

I think the one of the Reasons People want Authentic is not many people have one [of each different type] If someone making a $100-150 Atty and it costs them 50% to produce and market and they sell a thousand worldwide--profit 50,000 to 75,000. So say they had a large high volume machine shop make 10,000 of them and the production costs drops 50% and they drop the retail price 50%. First they have have to be able to sell 10,000 of them. So if they are competing with 20 other Atty's thats 200,000 authentic atty's on the market. Better to just make a thousand keep the price high and sell out. Or squeeze the market even harder make 100-200 a yr and never have to lower your price.

 

[InMyImage]

I thought it was NAFTA too.

NAFTA is the "North American Free Trade Agreement" It's what opened up the borders to the influx of Made In Mexico product and allows Mexican semis to cross the border for transporting products into the US. Canada too, but they aren't much of a problem, and it's a pain just to cross the border to or from Canada still...

Bill

 

[InMyImage]

Sounds like an expensive way to find out that you can't regulate products that look like your and work like yours unless:

a) You have a patent and either charge them a licensing fee to use your patent or file for patent infringement
b) It is actually a counterfeit product, meaning it is made to look like the original, marked and labelled as the original and sold as the original (regardless of price sold)

Bill

 

[travanx]

NAFTA is the "North American Free Trade Agreement" It's what opened up the borders to the influx of Made In Mexico product and allows Mexican semis to cross the border for transporting products into the US. Canada too, but they aren't much of a problem, and it's a pain just to cross the border to or from Canada still...

Bill

Whoops same Clinton wrong acronym. WTO and China.

 

[Lefty]

Whoops same Clinton wrong acronym. WTO and China.

Nope. NAFTA was Pappy Bush's baby. He negotiated it and fast tracked it. He tried to get it on his desk to sign before leaving. It was handed to Clinton as a done deal for his signature when he took office.

 

[KKen]

I'm curious, but is cloning a big deal with the Pinoy modders? I'm sure its an issue, but I never hear as much noise about this as much as I do here in the States. Just wondering what they do over there to combat cloners. thx

 

[xboomer]

Oh boy! The Facebook thread was full of ignorant blather but VU apparently is not immune. Suck more nicotine. Among it's claims is improved cognitive function.

...and for the political science geniuses here...know that the China project spanned all elected Presidents since Nixon. The capitalists demanded it and after all, it is the job of the elected civil servants to serve their masters. I especially like the synergy of Sam Walton and Bill Clinton.

Walton amassed a massive fortune, retailing China product to Murica, and this access to the chinese labor market took decades to put into place, starting with Nixon. BTW, I'm not just talking about cheap household goods. Even your precious iPhone is made in China.

Get a clue...

 

[ej1024]

BUT CHINA CAN'T ATTACK THE USA BECAUSE THE USA CONTROL
O*IUM.... THE CHINESE ARE THE NO.1IMPORTER OF O*IUM,AFGHANISTAN IS THE LARGEST PRODUCER OF O*IUM
GO FIGURE....
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[Pancho_Brown]

I'm curious, but is cloning a big deal with the Pinoy modders? I'm sure its an issue, but I never hear as much noise about this as much as I do here in the States. Just wondering what they do over there to combat cloners. thx

The theory on that is that they're double dipping. After they make a few 1000 mods they then send their designs to china to get cloned and get a piece of the Chinese cloning pie. The biggest offender that comes to mind is JD tech. Their Stingray X was cloned before it was even released. There were preorders out for the clone 3 weeks before the authentic hit the shelves.

 

[Hermit]

I'm gonna buy that theory. It will make them far more than if they threw money at lawyers in a futile attempt to stop clones!!

 

[Midniteoyl]

BUT CHINA CAN'T ATTACK THE USA BECAUSE THE USA CONTROL
O*IUM.... THE CHINESE ARE THE NO.1IMPORTER OF O*IUM,AFGHANISTAN IS THE LARGEST PRODUCER OF O*IUM
GO FIGURE....
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What??? LOL..

 

[Tripster]

The theory on that is that they're double dipping. After they make a few 1000 mods they then send their designs to china to get cloned and get a piece of the Chinese cloning pie. The biggest offender that comes to mind is JD tech. Their Stingray X was cloned before it was even released. There were preorders out for the clone 3 weeks before the authentic hit the shelves.

Correct!

 

[ej1024]

What??? LOL..

KEEP VAPING

 

[iLoveVapeMail]

Looks like this has reached eBay. Had a bunch of listings pulled last night for trademark violations on clones.... Restricted from selling for 7 days.

 

[Merrick92]

Looks like this has reached eBay. Had a bunch of listings pulled last night for trademark violations on clones.... Restricted from selling for 7 days.

Was that because they were clones, or because ebay has a no tolerance for anything e cig related? Even if it is authentic, I believe you can get it pulled from ebay if you complain to them about the listing.

 

[iLoveVapeMail]

In this case it was because clones. It was for trademark violations. If it was for ecig items I would of gotten hit with a tobacco policy violation.

 

[Midniteoyl]

What were you selling?

 

[iLoveVapeMail]

Some Tobh attys, nemesis, pegasus, xxix, kayfuns etc...

 

[InMyImage]

Some Tobh attys, nemesis, pegasus, xxix, kayfuns etc...

Respond to the ebay case saying that you are under the impression that the companies in question do not have registered trademarks and that you'd like to see the documented evidence that supports a trademark violation.

It would be interesting just to see who exactly is complaining or if they just removed everything assuming it was true but only based on one complaint.

 

[JoeyyNY]

The first few comments pretty much summed everything up. Lol

 

[MKPM]

She was the one that was pushing this horrible shit that is Obamacare.. she was warned off and if you think that sax blowing chuckle head was the one pulling the strings you are mistaken. Like Obozo the golf playing dip shit is in charge.. that is Valery Jarret.
Clitnom is horribly well known skirt chaser worse than slick silly... as long as it was low key he got to bang the broads and so did she.

 

[InMyImage]