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pete67

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Well, Liz and I are off. There are other fora here for people like us. @Whiskey, you've been very kind, and helpful.

People like Liz and I relied on drugs and alcohol to gain a semblance of coping skills - for years. Liz has been sober for almost thirteen years.

I've been clean from drugs for over seven years; alcohol, for over six years. My type 1 diabetes went through hell, with the alcohol use
- and that was insane, to live life that way.

It's also insane to post in a forum with the coping skills of an immature child; traits, that people like Liz and I completely relate to, as we spent the majority of our youth - and, adult lives - stunting thd growth of our coping skills with our alcohol and drug abuse.

So, we cling to each other with our emotions wide open, like young children - due to our misspent youth.

For years, we were able to function outwardly, like everyone else; until the skeins of our lives had begun to unravel, revealing our diseases.

Addiction (for me, because alcohol was a self-prescribed pain reliever that my body, with type 1 diabetes, didn't like. Not even the taste); and, Liz - who eschewed drugs because she didn't like the feelings that drugs gave her body and mind (paranoia, disconnectivity of bodily
coordination); so, alcohol was her boat floater.

This is why we love each other the way that we do, because her strengths take up for my weaknesses; and, my strengths take up for her weaknesses.

This is why posting here, in Whiskey's Corner, may not be such a good idea for people of our ken - since many others here may not be where we're at, nor have the compassion, or understanding.

I'm sorry to have wasted my precious words, emotions, and feelings here. Not to mention this thread's space within VU. The people of this particular forum apparently deserve better.

We won't trouble you any further. @LOveWerks, and @Liz Wonder.

You are family and family always takes care of family. Please stay with us. I haven't been good with words since I got back from Nam but you belong here with us.
 

Saddletramp1200

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Member For 4 Years
Thank you for the kind words, @Whiskey, @boriqua75, and surprisingly - @Saddletramp1200...

By the way @Saddletramp1200,
before my divorce, I had
just purchased a DOHC
Road King. Truthfully, I
could barely afford it. It
seems a little funny, but,
it was around that time
that I realized that I had
problems, with my marriage to an alcoholic, and my continued use of m*rijuana (I didn't play around - I was using vaporizers back then, too!).

In 1987, my parents
became my medical
power-of-attorney and
guardians ad litem - as I
had fractured my skull in
the middle of a c*****
binge, by trying to dive
backward off of a fence
into my in-ground
swimming pool.
Concrete really and truly
sucks...

My parents sold my
house, my Kowalski KZ
900 (bored to a little
over 1000 cc), and
promptly got me fired
from the band I'd been
performing with... and,
that year, I went straight
to a psychatric institute
for intense drug rehab,
vocational rehab, shrinks, therapists (on my parents' dime)...
ninety days in-house,
six months outpatient.

Since then, I've never touched c*ke again. Yet, why go back to the w**d?

When my family moved to the Charleston, SC area, it was the biggest mistake
I ever made.

This happened two years after my mother died.
In Virginia, I was an
established performer - the spinal problems had begun after a car accident in 1994 (and my cancer).

Even with that, money was no problem... but, my ex wanted to move closer to her family... and, it was the beginning of the end.

Her family put the word 'fun' into the term 'dysfunctional'.
My late ex-father-law popped pills, and drank "Milwaukee's Beast" - and, lived downstairs from his wife... they communicated by a NuTone communication system installed in their home. "Suppah's reddy, D!"

In Virginia, my kids attended private school. That continued in SC, until we couldn't afford it anymore. We'd become new homeowners... my ex bought an expensive Saddlebred/Thoroughbred mare.

To cut this short (!), my marriage ended; the economy hit the skids, and after living in an Intown Suites (the cr*ck whore and drug dealing version of Extended Stay Suites), I became homeless, living out of my SUV, and when I went hungry, and needed insulin - I lived in homeless shelters.

The nightmare ended when Liz, after getting to know me in my sobriety, showed up at a homeless shelter I was living at, wearing a black dress and high heels - and, said: "Get your stuff. You're coming with me."

Typical long-winded @LOveWerks... now, maybe everyone understands...?

LW (and, Liz landed in Denver an hour ago :()
Your one or Ours. Never messed with drugs, but can't calculate the beer I have had. My old Harley ain't the prettiest gal at the dance, but it's mine. I have dined from dumpsters myself. My home has been a freezer box, wrecked car, & the steps at a Funeral home. But I got over it. I don't give up. I cuss & bitch & whine, but I keep Pushin' on. A person is never beat till they give up. Were counting on you, don't let us down. ;)
 

Whiskey

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Member For 4 Years
Good morning!
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Breazy_Com

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I'll add that this April I will have 11 years sober(Alcohol) Your not alone LW & Liz
Glad you mentioned that Whiskey ! Ive been around the rooms since the eighties and have had trouble with my son since he's 15. He's 21 now. That's why I missed a few days. Had havoc going on in the house and got him to Detox in Florida AGAIN! Now I can sleep for a while and catch up on things. He's been in about 10 rehabs which isn't uncommon with the kids these days. In Staten Island we're losing kid to drug overdoses sometimes 4 and 5 a week. Pills and dope. There's an actual statistic here that exceeds homicides and car crashes combined. Every 11 days someone between the ages of 18-24 dies from a drug overdose. I know I can't make him get it and that's the worst part. He has to want it. But you never know when someone might get it so you keep trying. Maybe this will be the one that makes him sick and tired of being sick and tired. His childhood friend died about a month ago. I felt bad. That kid was a good kid and used to sleep over my house and I used to take him to Great Adventure with us. He had a year clean and relapsed. I will give my kid some credit. He keeps coming and those are the ones that eventually get it. I laid into an AA group the other day. Old school AA doesn't like to hear about drugs. But if you don't let the young people talk about it to an extent it might be your son or daughter or grandkid that dies because they felt they couldn't talk about it. On that note Good morning everyone !
 

Joshua Iles

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Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
So my little vacation resulted in zero house work or anything for that matter getting done, I guess that goes back to lack of motivation or something. Back to work tomorrow with nothing done but sleep. My wife's kinda upset I got nothing done but I just feel sickly all the time anymore. I'm sure there's something wrong with me, but I ain't taking more time off work and dealing with drs and such just to tell me I have a lazy gene.
 

Kevin H.

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Member For 4 Years
Hey Whis:). Heading out to take my son to shoot some hoop, and then to go and try on some new sneakers (for my son). He grew out of his newest ones in 3 months:confused:. Talk to y'all later.
 

boriqua75

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Member For 4 Years
Good evening, all. Dogs are fed, and I just got off of the phone with Liz a little while ago. The dog, Annabelle, seems to be doing okay with Liz in Denver. Liz stopped in to look at my crazy posts here at the 'Corner', and she said:

"Well, you covered everything, so all I had to do was read. You make my life so easy, even when I'm away. I love you so much."

That's my baby. She'll call me later, before she goes to bed. I'm a guy that is truly blessed.

@Whiskey, @boriqua75, @Kevin H., @Breazy_Com, @pete67, @Condensation, @Markw4mms,
@Saddletramp1200,
@Joshua Iles, all of you: may your evening be a respite from any of your daily stresses.

I'm making MAD clouds - I bet you're all right there, with me. :)

LW and Liz :)
Cloud pic please!!!! Glad to hear you just chilling and that you talked to your sweetie!!! I got a 3 hour nap, hubby made dinner and desert. ..I'm a lucky mama!

Vape on
 

boriqua75

Silver Contributor
Member For 4 Years
I guess it's good night for you all early birds. I'll be up a few hours more since it's only going to be 8pm here ;)

Vape on
 

Joshua Iles

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Yes I'm doing hand check pics, sue me lol. Funny tho how I like this setup better than the tank that came with it. Now I guess I need a real mechanical and stop cheating haha. Guess I'm off to try to sleep, trying not to chain vape is hard when you're almost out of juice, what I got in the tanks has to last me, how long depends on the mailman. Ugh, one of these yrs I'll stop whining so much.
 

boriqua75

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Member For 4 Years
View attachment 29073 Hey, everyone -

@Whiskey suggested that I give vape people, like ourselves, a taste,
'throat hit' and vapor
production profile of
certain e-juices within
their PG/VG percentages.

First off, most people here at 'the Corner' are intermediate-to-veteran-status vape people.

At any rate, I wanted to get some terminology straight for e-juices. We all know that when we read 6 mg on our bottles of manufactured e-juice - that, is the nicotine strength.

In this case, it would satisfy an 'analog' cigarette smoker who had a twelve cigarette a day
habit. Yet -

Box mods producing
30 watts, or more,
can, like the
vaporizers that
people use for
smokable, mind-
altering drugs -
concentrate, and
increase the nicotine
effects - due the
increase in vapor
density.

My box mod does
this in a big way, so I
may go down to a 3
mg level of nicotine
on our next Breazy
order :).

So, this is the
information that I
have from personal
experience, online
advertising and
video reviews, and
my own sensations
that I experience
when I vape:

Terminology

Max VG
- Don't
assume that it
means that your e-
juice is 100% VG
(unless it is written
that way, on the
bottle). VG, or
vegetable glycerin,
is a real cloud
producer :). Max VG
covers e-juices that
contain 20% PG
(propylene glycol, a
food-grade flavor-
binder), and 80% VG
- on up to higher percentages, like 10%/90%, until you've reached 100% VG. PG is used
to make the flavor
consistent - yet, I'd
rather shake a bottle
of high VG e-juice,
to enhance the flavor
myself :).

PG (Propylene
Glycol)

Already explained. However, this also gives people who vape - that used to smoke cigarettes - the fullness in the throat (what people call the 'throat hit') that occurs when someone takes a drag from their e-cig, clearomizer, or atomizer. It can also dehydrate you, and irritate your throat.

Now that we've finished that part of things, here's my take on some e-liquids, their percentages of PG/VG, and how my throat feels, the taste rating, and more gobbledygook from @LOveWerks:

Do U Even Vape 'Lady In Red'; 6 mg nicotine, 30% PG, 70% VG:

I can feel the dryness in my throat, but, it isn't too bad. Strawberries predominant. Rating: Good

Must Vape Walrus; 6 mg nic, 35%/65%:

Strawberries, watermelons, and a cool mint finish make this really good, and it's surprisingly easy on
the throat. Rating: Very Good

Boss Cap'n Crunk; 3 mg nic, 10/90 -

I'm swimming in a bowl of the Cap'n's original cereal! Throat is in bliss, thanks to the lower nicotine and PG/VG profile. Rating: Top Shelf

Cold Fusion Juice 'Galil'; 6 mg nic, 20/80 -

Vanilla and crème brulee come together, in probably my favorite e-juice. Throat feels great! Rating: Top Shelf

Breakfast Club Apple Snaxx, Froops, and Crunk Berry; 6 mg nic, Max VG (probably 20/80) -

These are all wonderful on the throat, and taste great; I would rank Apple Snaxx the best of these, Crunk Berry a close second, and Froops a closer third.

Conclusion:

Any e-juice higher in nicotine, and PG percentage will dehydrate you, irritate your throat, and not taste as good as these examples. This is because nicotine reduces flavor, while PG is supposed to enhance it, being the flavor binder that it is. Yet, propylene glycol irritates the throat, and dries out your mouth - in a similar way, to nicotine. So...

@Liz Wonder and I both started out with BLU e-cigs, then - went to the EGO-T, EVOD, Kangertech tanks, then - their Sub Tank Mini, with 20W Kamry box mods. Note that were still vaping 24 mg e-liquid, at 50/50!

Then, the eLeaf iStick 30W, 50W... at that point, we switched our tanks to Horizon Arctics, and knew that the nicotine level had to COME DOWN - while VG levels had to go up!

@Breazy_Com was responsible for helping us make buying decisions, so, we thank him. That is our show for the evening... thank you for reading... please leave by the exits, and don't forget your box mods! Vape shot for @boriqua75, and most importantly, my love - @Liz Wonder.

Written by @LOveWerks; ideas, observations, and love from @Liz Wonder

Ohoooo I want to try must vape walrus!

Vape on
 
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