Why above 30 watts ?

[Mike H.]

Im not understanding the need for alot of box mods coming out with 100 watts and 250 wats and 350 watts....what is it good for really?...i personally cant understand why more than 30 watts is being needed to power pretty much everything and fill a room of vapor in 2 3 hits....Help me understand as im feeling more hype with alot of these super high wattage expensive devices...Am i missing something?

Im writting this because im in the market for something other than an ego battery and see alot recommending 100 watt boxes and more..is it really that much better than a 30w device?..Help me justify spending more with the understanding of a better quality device but why so much power?

 

[Ellipsis]

well, there is that faction of vapers that build their atty's and place them on mechanicals to hit 80 watts and higher...
the high wattage boxes out there offer a regulated high wattage vape with a few more safety features built in...
the box mod wont need a new battery every 10 minutes, like the mechanicals...
there is a use for the boxes that carry more than 1 battery in them for the tamer vaper...massive battery life before having to replace/charge the batteries...
i own an ipv3 (165 watt)...sx mini (60 watt)...vaporshark (dna30 watt)(rdna40) watt...use them all and seldom go more than 20 watts...
sometimes the shiny gets to ya !! sometimes its a dick measuring thing!! sometimes the power is used to its fullest capacity...
heat of the vapor/sheer massive amount of clouds are a big deal to a few out there...
gotta remember there is a wide range of vapers out there...some are good with what they have, others are constantly chasing the vape...
alot of those folks push the boundaries of this hobby and the rest of us get to bask in the better eliquids that come out, safer batteries, better made atty's , the list goes on...

 

[Mike H.]

Ty for the honest response....i can relate to alot what you pointed out.

I suppose something like an MVP2 is what im seeking...I dont see myself on the high end of the vaping experience nor want to invest more than i need to be happy.

Im wanting to stray away from the ego style batteries with full time use and upgrade a little..my kanger 650 mah kit batteries have been great but are growing weak and to be honest i cant see paying what most want for that style of battery..i think its one of the biggest rip offs in the vape world for a battery of that type with all the other devices available.

Thanks again for the response..much appreciated.

 

[Browncoat]

 

[MoFasterMo]

22AWG and 24AWG builds need more watts.
A dual coil 22 gauge at .3 ohm needs 100+ watts.

I can't see using the Aspire Atlantis under 30 - 35 watts.

 

[Zamazam]

Lower Ohm rebuild-able atomizers, either tanks or drippers, require more power. The benefit is that they heat up very quickly and produce lots of vapor. If you use Ego's and like them, stick with them. The whole point is to stay off the smokes.

I use RDA's and RTA's primarily because I like the flavor they produce, and I'm also a cheap guy who hates to pay $10 for a pack of coil heads when I can make literally hundreds of builds for $10 by winding my own coils.

 

[Browncoat]

There's also the matter of battery efficiency and safety. With a higher power device, you are using less of its capacity to fire your atomizer.

 

[freemind]

I started off with an EGO set up, as a heavy smoker. I was very unhappy with battery life, flavor, and clouds. I couldn't get enough nic out of a little set up like that to come close to satisfying me.

Had I started with something like the Sig 100 watt and a Aero V2, I would have been good, and MONEY ahead. Currently, I tank, use RTA's and drip, though dripping is giving way to being very little. RTA's fit my style well enough, and are not near as much work as a RDA for me.

I personally would NOT recommend EGO type set ups to any serious smoker. It ends up being a fail for them, because they want more than the EGO can offer. Even my wife, who was a half a pack a day smoker, never was statisfied with EGO stuff. She has a eGrip and is happy.

 

[Zamazam]

I started off with DSE801 cartomizers, 510 automatic batteries, and Ego-Joyetech atomizer/tank combinations. I began dripping directly onto a 510 atomizer with a drip shield and marveled at how much better the flavor was, that was almost 4 years ago. It helped me quit smoking and that's what's it all about.

 

[UncleRJ]

With my Kayfuns running a 1.5 ohm coil, I am usually under 20 watts.

But with my Orchid running dual coils at about 0.6 ohms I usually run that nearer 30 watts.

And I am also convinced that someday there will be new atomizer tech (like the induction we have heard about) that will require more power to operate and I am hoping my 50 watt plus mods will be enough to power them.

 

[Mike H.]

I can sort off see now where maybe having a device capable of alot more watts and only using a fraction of its capability would be less stressful on a device in general as it would be nowhere close to over working the battery/device and when more power is needed or wanted you have it.

I still however have a hard time justifying something in the 100w range (price wise) for myself ..Hopefully happy with a 20 or 30w capable device.

Thanks everyone for all the insight...im liking this site already.

 

[BigNasty]

Look at it this way.
Higher wattage devices are like building a computer. you build looking down the road not right at the moment.
So you go higher wattage and try a rda and love it more than a tank.. then you have no need to pick up another device to enjoy it.

 

[Mike H.]

Look at it this way.
Higher wattage devices are like building a computer. you build looking down the road not right at the moment.
So you go higher wattage and try a rda and love it more than a tank.. then you have no need to pick up another device to enjoy it.

Understood..I have ordered a nemesis clone as i want to try maybe an rba at some point..My personal goal however is to just stay off the stinkies as ive done so far for one year with a simple kanger evod kit..The nemesis will be more of an adventure to see if i would want more or not, maybe turning it more into a hobby and making it more fun.

What sort of watts does a mech mod push using a single sony vtc5 battery on a 1.0 maybe 1.2 ohm coil on an rba?

 

[The.Drifter]

Using a Ohms Law Calculator 1 ohm on a fresh battery (4.2volts) equals 17.64 watts at 4.2 amps.

 

[Mike H.]

Using a Ohms Law Calculator 1 ohm on a fresh battery (4.2volts) equals 17.64 watts at 4.2 amps.

Awsome ,ty...so if i had a 30w device i can try some bigger clouds and maybe better flavor on an RBA and not overwork the device...thats what im looking for.

 

[Heather]

I'm glad you posted this because I wondered too. I can't imagine going over 30 w either.

 

[Mike H.]

I'm glad you posted this because I wondered too. I can't imagine going over 30 w either.

Im at around 10w with a fully charged ego battery and it gets better for me as it discharges so i cant even see for myself 15w if not using an rba although some rba are only 1.5 ohm which is within the ego battery limit....ill find what im looking for...part of the fun trying new things i suppose...If a 1.0 ohm rba doesnt work for me on a mech mod to see if i like big clouds then im thinking an MVP2 with 11w capability will be all i need for my 1.8 ohm tanks.

If a low ohm rda is something i like then a 30w box mod will be what im after to run both the rda and my tanks.

 

[Eric DeCastro]

there are always people that want more power. it's human nature to take things to the extreme. 100W might be extreme to you but just an everday vape for someone else. I personally vape at about 30-40 watts mechanical and that might be too much for some and too little for others.

why do you need 400whp on daily driven cars, the speed limit is 65 (here in California) so same question applies, why do you need more than 130whp.

for some there is a need (need to haul stuff in a truck) others is just the need to say, I have 400whp.

some there is a need, they smoked 6 packs a day and 30w is just not hitting enough to get them off of cigarettes. people are different.

 

[Joshua Iles]

Sounds cheesy but my 2 biggest reasons for getting away from ego / twist batteries was they kept rolling off the table, dropped em alot (not to mention the dildo jokes) & those damn ego chargers. Was blessed at Christmas time with an istick and couldn't be happier. Is it a huge difference from a spinner? No, but battery monitoring and a screen is nice, ohms reader a big plus, & it doesn't roll around. Found I'm clumsy, ghee, I knew that, just forgot lol. Run mine at usually 8-9 watts, not totally sure what that would be on a better regulated device, but for my needs its just fine.
Man I've got fat fingers or something, try to correct typos, always miss some tho.

 

[nightshard]

This wouldn't make much sense to those of you who are used to 10W on an aerotank/nautilus/etc..
It would some sense to people using Atlantis/Subtank
It would make more sense to people using RDAs/RTAs.
It would make a lot of sense to people who are used to sub ohm, using RDAs.

 

[zaroba]

Compairing vaping with a tiny eGo battery to vaping a 0.2ohm dual 22 gauge builkd at 100 watts is like compairing skim milk to whole milk in terms of taste. Or more accuratly, an ultra-light short cig to a full flavor menthol cig or a cigar.

Some people need more to inhale and taste then what an eGo can provide. Personally, I didn't like my eGo, it tasted like I was inhaling scented air. Did nothing for my throat or lungs, and that was what I mised about smoking and why I upgraded to the Nautilus (10 watts), the Atlantis (35 watts), and more recently, RDAs (50-75 watts).

Each upgrade greatly increased the flavor, feel, and htus, the enjoyment.

 

[zaroba]

honestly though, since you can't see a need for more then 30 watts, I have to ask:
Have you ever tried any setups that were over 30 watts?

 

[Robbie F]

I'm running my Aspire Atlantis tanks on mechanical mods right now. If my math is right, the coils are at .5 homs and a fresh battery is at 4.2 volts, that means I'm vaping 35 watts. I think

If I went above that via a ZNA 50 or something... would it make that much of a difference?

 

[nightshard]

As a sub ohm RDA user a 30W mod is not strong enough for me, but on the other hand i don't see any reason to buy a 180W/260W mod either.

 

[VH fan]

Ty for the honest response....i can relate to alot what you pointed out.

I suppose something like an MVP2 is what im seeking...I dont see myself on the high end of the vaping experience nor want to invest more than i need to be happy.

Im wanting to stray away from the ego style batteries with full time use and upgrade a little..my kanger 650 mah kit batteries have been great but are growing weak and to be honest i cant see paying what most want for that style of battery..i think its one of the biggest rip offs in the vape world for a battery of that type with all the other devices available.

Thanks again for the response..much appreciated.

Mike don't get caught up in the mega power stuff , i have tried sub ohm , higher ohm, high power , lower power and after all that i much prefer the vape i get using 20 watts and below and thats using RDA's as well .

I just get the most flavor not going too high or too low , theres a reason the Provari is so popular and only goes to 20 watts , the overwhelming majority of vapers are not people who do mega wattage , not even close.

I only know of two vapers out of dozens who vape over 30 watts on anything , they seem to all say the only reason they got a 100 watt device is because the battery life , only two go over 30 watts but not by much.

 

[BoomStick]

It's not just about the power being supplied, it's also about what it's being applied to along with other factors. A larger mass of metal needs more power to reach the same temp due to all the extra heat dissapation taking place. More surface area, more juice in contact with coil, more airflow, etc. Power is one of many variables that affect coil temp. Until the big picture is realized, high power vaping will continue to be a mystery to some. Others understand it, but have found satisfaction without using big power. Whatever works for you.

 

[VH fan]

It depends what type of vaper you are , plain and simple . If you vape low ohm builds and like multiple coil setups and low wire gauges you have to go high power . Imo most don't though , and most are more than satisfied with other types of vaping.

 

[MrScaryZ]

The actual answer to it all is to replace mech mods... so that we do not have to necessarily build at such a low ohm but also for us guys like me that build from .1 -1.0 ohms it allows me to have a constant voltage to my low ohm mod you cannot get that with a Mech period that is the premise

 

[OB61887]

Others have answered this, it is generally for lower gauge wire. I always have preferred regulated devices but with my DNA 30 I couldn't play with my 20/22/24 gauge wire. Right now I have a 24 gauge dual coil 3 wraps that sits at .2 ohms. If I use under 60 watts, it takes a few seconds to heat up. I run it at 75. For 28 gauge wire, I don't see a need to go above 30 watts.

 

[Heather]

I like the analogy with the car. That makes sense to me. I just honestly never thought of it that way. I have learned a lot. Thank you guys

 

[Scuba-Matt]

.3 ohm builds 24 gauge kanthal dual coil and 5 volts is where I set my raptor dual / triple 18650 in series devices. 83 watts and vapes like a dream. It needs air flow to the RDA and a lot of it. Lots of air flow is the key to high power vaping. Air flow is what keeps the vape cool. This is not recommended for novice vapers. You need to know your batteries and ohms law. All my RDA have had the air holes drilled out to a larger diameter.
I like my kayfun style atty vape at .08 to 1 ohm and 14 to 17 watts. Thats where I hit the sweet spot on this kind of atty. Two totally different type of animals.

 

[VapesXO]

Would I see a huge difference in flavor production between my current iStick 20W and the upcoming iStick 50W? Right now I'm running at about 10W and don't really go over that because it makes the juice I have now taste burnt... It's probably just this particular juice though.

A guy I work with has a Sigelei 100W that he was running at about 45W when he let me hit it, and I was impressed with the potency of the flavor!

 

[OB61887]

The build you use will determine the wattage you need. You can get just as much vapor with 20 watts as 50. For me the big difference is, how much airflow do you want and how warm of a vape are you looking for?

 

[VapesXO]

The build you use will determine the wattage you need. You can get just as much vapor with 20 watts as 50. For me the big difference is, how much airflow do you want and how warm of a vape are you looking for?

I'm not really all that into chucking huge clouds. I'll admit that at times it'd be nice to be able to, like if I'm hanging around with some fellow Vapers, but practically it's too much.

Flavor is what I'm after. Obviously I can buy juices from places that will add flavor shots, or make my own and use a lot of flavor. But, I'm curious why higher wattage can produce more flavor.

In terms of vapor temperature, I don't mind it either way. 8.5 watts is a nice cool vapor and 15.5 is a warm vapor; I have no preference. I'm sure there's a limit to that though, where it'd be too warm.

I do notice that this Cosmic Fog tastes better at 8.5 than it does at 15.5, and I get about the same amount of vapor at both settings.

 

[OB61887]

I suppose warmer coils could bring out more flavor, but I don't know about that. I just like baked good flavors at high temps. With that said, it was probably the guys build that put out the flavor, he just used the watts required to run it.The best flavor I have had was on a magma at 20 watts, but I rarely use that because I like more airflow.

 

[frgpugs]

Flavor is what I'm after. Obviously I can buy juices from places that will add flavor shots, or make my own and use a lot of flavor. But, I'm curious why higher wattage can produce more flavor.

The flavor doesnt come from the wattage but from the juice and the atty. I have some juice I will only drip and some I will only use in tanks because they taste different in each device. My Atlantis on the IPV3 I run at 30 watts and its great. My plume veil I run at 65 watts and its just as great. If I put my dark horse which has a 24 gauge dual coil setup on my mech it tastes weak because it takes so long to heat up, I throw it on the IPV3 at 80 watts and rocks its like night and day difference. It goes from totally unvapeable to awesome with just a push of a button where I cant do that with my mechs

I have tried to vape over 100 watts and its ok but I havent had a setup yet that I like doing it BUT im sure its there. A zipper or clapton coil low gauge will need that higher wattage and while a mech can deliver it, it cant deliver the same power hit each time until the batteries are dead.

I still use my mechs with rda's because I love them and it vapes great for most things but in the long run having that consistent vape all day long with infinite possibilities to get the exact vape how i like while using different attys and builds is what its about

 

[VapesXO]

I'm debating the purchase of the iStick 50W with an Aspire Atlantis tank.
I like my iStick 20W with Aspire Mini Nautilus, but for some reason have an urge to upgrade.

It's probably my co-worker getting into my head with his talk of how my setup sucks because it only does 20 watts.

 

[OB61887]

With the Atlantis you definitely want more than 20W. It is recommended at 30 and I prefer 35-40 depending on juice. Also, as far as clearos go, I highly recommend the atlantis if you want more vape/flavor.

 

[VapesXO]

With the Atlantis you definitely want more than 20W. It is recommended at 30 and I prefer 35-40 depending on juice. Also, as far as clearos go, I highly recommend the atlantis if you want more vape/flavor.

Now you've got me considering it even more!

 

[The Motley Vapor]

i wondered that same thing for over a year then tried sub ohm on a ipv 50 at local b@m bought on site now wish would have got the 100w not that i need it but would be nice to have just in case next box will be big its better to have to much than not enough 4sure

 

[frgpugs]

My istick has been shelved for the most part, occasionally will run a kayfun on it but that's it, it just can't do what I need it to do anymore.

I run my atlantis at 30 watts and find any higher it starts to burn my juice but that could just be my juice. I highly recommend getting one as it's a huge upgrade from the nautilus and you will not be sorry. If you break down and get a cloupor t8 or an ipv3 or even a sigelie and an atlantis you will be a very happy camper

 

[VapesXO]

My istick has been shelved for the most part, occasionally will run a kayfun on it but that's it, it just can't do what I need it to do anymore.

I run my atlantis at 30 watts and find any higher it starts to burn my juice but that could just be my juice. I highly recommend getting one as it's a huge upgrade from the nautilus and you will not be sorry. If you break down and get a cloupor t8 or an ipv3 or even a sigelie and an atlantis you will be a very happy camper

Yeah. I like my iStick 20W with my Mini Nautilus, but I heard the Atlantis puts out a lot more flavor. Unfortunately, since it's a sub-ohm tank, I'd need a better mod to power it. There's just something about the idea of the iStick 50W with an Atlantis that calls to me.

 

[JediTT]

Even without vaping at 100w, the higher watt boxes like sigelei, cloupor, and ipv are still good because you can drop it down to 10 watts if you want but you still have the double battery power and the option to go to high wattage vaping later. I use my 100w box for my drippers and my kayfuns. The price difference between something like a mvp 2 and one of the $100-ish boxes is too small considering the limits of a mvp type mod.

 

[Mike H.]

Mike don't get caught up in the mega power stuff , i have tried sub ohm , higher ohm, high power , lower power and after all that i much prefer the vape i get using 20 watts and below and thats using RDA's as well .

I just get the most flavor not going too high or too low , theres a reason the Provari is so popular and only goes to 20 watts , the overwhelming majority of vapers are not people who do mega wattage , not even close.

I only know of two vapers out of dozens who vape over 30 watts on anything , they seem to all say the only reason they got a 100 watt device is because the battery life , only two go over 30 watts but not by much.

Well ,thats what was turning in my mind and needed to ask ...I dont see myself needing more than actually 15w..Based on a popular "coil wattage chart" im already producing 10w with a simple 1.8ohm coil on a kanger evod tank and a simple 650mah ego battery....To me on a fully charged battery im getting more than enough power to satisfy me..sometimes even that feels like too much depending on the day...It seems its a cheaper alternative to spend 30 40 50 dollars on a box mod as it would cost about the same to buy 2 new ego batteries with far less features and battery life..

Having done more research ive found a few more options for myself which i think would fit my needs.

Ive found the mvp2 (11w) for $33 plus shipping.

ive found the new mvp 20w for $32 shipped.

Eleaf i stick 20w also in the $30 range.

Considering ive read the wattage values on the i stick are a bit off as they may use a different scale to measure with and it has just a slightly smaller battery than the mpv, im really leaning towards the mvp 20w box...As i now know it only takes 17w to power up a 1.0 ohm coil, 20w should be more than enough power for any 1.5ohm and up atty or tank i would use and build coils for.

 

[VH fan]

I like the 20 watt MVP and plan on picking up another , the iStick is a good choice as well . For $32.00 it's really a steal , that will work with just about everything for most people . Definitely go with the 20 watt instead of the 2.0 version since they are priced so close.

Sometimes i just buy something like that when i am unsure about what i want and just want to wait it out awhile , it will satisfy for a long time to come and the battery life is just unreal .

It's what i take with me when i go on two full day and overnight surf fishing trips and not once has it come close to being depleted, actually it takes three full days of heavy vaping until a charge is needed.

Good luck whatever you choose.

 

[VinceV1]

Bump

And why above 200 watts ? Whre is the end ?

 

[MrScaryZ]

Bump

And why above 200 watts ? Whre is the end ?

There is no end the next step and I have ranted about it for the last couple years hear and there is to walk into any room in my house and have a constant vape.. maybe like this your house itself is a big vaping device

 

[VinceV1]

OMG. This custard is insane.

 

[zaroba]

Bump

And why above 200 watts ? Whre is the end ?

Why does there need to be an end?
Why should technology suddenly stop advancing?

 

[VinceV1]

Why does there need to be an end?
Why should technology suddenly stop advancing?

The problem is not that ultra powerfull vaporizers exist and are available and some people use them. The problem is that we make it the norm. Any new vaper (ex-smoker) doesn't needs 213 watts to be satisfied. And we know now, that vaping this way has more risks. Maybe the industry pushes the wrong message with an offer that is not well balanced, with an overload of those powerfull products, and less and less mi-level choices.