Wire gauges to use?

[SniffingKrylon]

I'm using some kanthal a1 prebuilt coils right now at .13 ohm which is too low for my comfort zone because I like vaping them at 130watts and that's pushing my batteries. I want to build a pair of coils that give me similar flavor/vapor production but not so low ohms. Maybe .2 the lowest. I want to build with stainless steel, inner diameter would be 3.8mm. My question is, what gauge wire should I use? Thanks in advance.

Pictures are the current coils I'm using.

 

[r055co]

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[whiteowl84]

You're using a regulated mod. Resistance isn't your problem it's mass.
If you made a 6 wrap n80 build and an identical A1 build they would perform exactly the same even though the n80 has a lower resistance.

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[SniffingKrylon]

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Sweet, thanks!


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[SniffingKrylon]

You're using a regulated mod. Resistance isn't your problem it's mass.
If you made a 6 wrap n80 build and an identical A1 build they would perform exactly the same even though the n80 has a lower resistance.

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But the kanthal coil would be using lower wattage to heat up, right? From my understanding, the lower the resistance the more power push the coil, no? Sorry I've been doing research and honestly got quite confused and figured it might be best to ask. Lol


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[whiteowl84]

No.
On a mech mod the n80 coil would heat faster because there is less resistance and thus more power.
Your mod is regulated and the resistance doesn't matter. All that matters is mass.

You're better off giving alot of power to a coil to make it heat instantly than you are giving the same coil way less power and waiting for it to heat.
If you wait for it to heat your atty and mod will get hot and you're batteries will actually be taking more of a load because the output was much longer than it was if you'd just doubled the power and got the hit in one second or so.
Moral of the story is if you have to wait for something to heat you've got something wrong somewhere.

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[SniffingKrylon]

No.
On a mech mod the n80 coil would heat faster because there is less resistance and thus more power.
Your mod is regulated and the resistance doesn't matter. All that matters is mass.

You're better off giving alot of power to a coil to make it heat instantly than you are giving the same coil way less power and waiting for it to heat.
If you wait for it to heat your atty and mod will get hot and you're batteries will actually be taking more of a load because the output was much longer than it was if you'd just doubled the power and got the hit in one second or so.
Moral of the story is if you have to wait for something to heat you've got something wrong somewhere.

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Hmm.. seems like I have more reading to do. I had upped the wattage to lower ramp up time but felt sketchy about it because I was pushing the limits of my batteries.

Thanks for the replies.


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[whiteowl84]

You're better off with a build more suited for regulated mods.
A 4x 28g alien with 4.5 3mm wraps would work much better.
Or even a 3x 26g alien with the same 4.5 wraps.
Or just fused 26g clapton.

The idea behind clapton is you get more surface area from the wrap and with big gaps in the wraps you just have a triple parallel build.

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[SniffingKrylon]

You're better off with a build more suited for regulated mods.
A 4x 28g alien with 4.5 3mm wraps would work much better.
Or even a 3x 26g alien with the same 4.5 wraps.
Or just fused 26g clapton.

The idea behind clapton is you get more surface area from the wrap and with big gaps in the wraps you just have a triple parallel build.

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I thought I had stated I wanted to build fused claptons. my question about the wire thickness was referring to that. I've been trying to figure it out and I think 26g/32g should be fine. The coils that are on there I bought for 6 bucks and was told I wouldn't have a problem with them, they were supposed to be .25 ohms in parallel but I think it was actually single since I'm only getting .13. I figured 10coils should give me enough time for me to get better at building and more informed on what I wanted to build exactly.


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[whiteowl84]

32g is massive.
Seriously huge. I use it as core wire for aliens.
36g is about as big as you need to go unless you just like a cold vape.

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[SniffingKrylon]

32g is massive.
Seriously huge. I use it as core wire for aliens.
36g is about as big as you need to go unless you just like a cold vape.

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I like my my vapor on the warmer side. Thanks a ton for the advice, seriously.


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[whiteowl84]

Yeah I like a hot vape too. Usually I use 38/40g for aliens.
Looks better and heats much faster.

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[r055co]

I like my my vapor on the warmer side. Thanks a ton for the advice, seriously.


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My go to is SS Fused claptons with 27g to 29g core and 38g or 40g wrapping wire around 0.17Ω - 0.2Ω

 

[HondaDavidson]

Hmm.. seems like I have more reading to do. I had upped the wattage to lower ramp up time but felt sketchy about it because I was pushing the limits of my batteries.

Thanks for the replies.


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Problem your finding is being safety rules were created based on the mechanical mod for the most part... many of those rules are different for regulated vaping... in both cases all ohm determines is the amount of watts produced by the atty based on the output of voltage..... the difference is in a mech that output is direct from the battery do ohm also determines amp draw..... in a regulated mod the battery ONLY powers the PCB... the board then supplies the output to the atty.

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[SniffingKrylon]

Problem your finding is being safety rules were created based on the mechanical mod for the most part... many of those rules are different for regulated vaping... in both cases all ohm determines is the amount of watts produced by the atty based on the output of voltage..... the difference is in a mech that output is direct from the battery do ohm also determines amp draw..... in a regulated mod the battery ONLY powers the PCB... the board then supplies the output to the atty.

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Yeah, after what whiteowl told me about resistance in a regulated mod not being as important as mass I looked into the difference of the load being put on the batteries and found a pretty useful article (and formula to calculate the load) by "mooch." That being said I'm more comfortable now with the wattage I use to get the coils hot and quick enough so my pocket isn't warm for 5 minutes after vaping a little.


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[Xtaci]

32g is massive.
Seriously huge. I use it as core wire for aliens.
36g is about as big as you need to go unless you just like a cold vape.

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And I'm over here making triple fused 24x36 xD

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