It really is a wonderful thing. Sadly, when new people get attacked fresh out of the gate, it drives people away. With ignore, I can no longer pm them and ask them to give us another chance to make a better impression.
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It really is a wonderful thing. Sadly, when new people get attacked fresh out of the gate, it drives people away. With ignore, I can no longer pm them and ask them to give us another chance to make a better impression.
lol, last time I'm playing Monopoly with you then!
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You can take the ignore off, message them.. then put it on againIt really is a wonderful thing. Sadly, when new people get attacked fresh out of the gate, it drives people away. With ignore, I can no longer pm them and ask them to give us another chance to make a better impression.
Nerds, Nerds, Nerds
You can take the ignore off, message them.. then put it on again
That's not the problem. The problem is not seeing the person on ignore shitting on the newbie.
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Oops!... That Nerds thing was not supposed to be there...
Oh, yeah... I see what your saying.
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That's not what I heard...
Gossip monger!
Yeah a negative point. Perhaps a task for mods?It really is a wonderful thing. Sadly, when new people get attacked fresh out of the gate, it drives people away. With ignore, I can no longer pm them and ask them to give us another chance to make a better impression.
Did that with steve several days ago.You can take the ignore off, message them.. then put it on again
Did not go well he basically called me a liar about having him on ignore and I was nice. I really was Pami.
Some do not deserve a second chance.
What did I miss?
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Lucy being juicy.
DRAT will have to backtrack. was working on a lawn mower....Lucy being juicy.
I am a Technodweeb.That's alright, although I'm more of a geek than a nerd.
True, but I try to help out if/when I can and make new acquaintances in the process.
Oh ohhh... Toxic bus crash... 
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Your turn
Grammar Nazi man... It's a job, and someone's gotta do it.
And we aspiring grammar nazis do appreciate it.
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Ahh Grammar?
What used to take a year or more to make it into a dictionary is now accepted in days or weeks due to the digital dictionaries....
I keep seeing a commercial on the net for a grammar correction program that recommends a guy change "the wife and I" to "the "wife and me".... so he could get a new job....
Humans are faced with a catastrophic decline in grammar which will destroy all civilization....
God save the semicolon!
What used to take a year or more to make it into a dictionary is now accepted in days or weeks due to the digital dictionaries....
I keep seeing a commercial on the net for a grammar correction program that recommends a guy change "the wife and I" to "the "wife and me".... so he could get a new job....
Humans are faced with a catastrophic decline in grammar which will destroy all civilization....
God save the semicolon!
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did you get your vapemail from the PO in time. I hope the husband unit got no tickets or accidents over it.
did you get your vapemail from the PO in time. I hope the husband unit got no tickets or accidents over it.
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Yep -and it is awesome
It's true that proper use of the language isn't strictly necessary to be understood. It may not even be important in the grand scheme of things.
But I'll tell you this: the other day, I asked my boss why he wasn't hiring any help in our company - which is chronically understaffed. He told me he did interview a few candidates, but ultimately he rejected them because there were mistakes in their resumes. He said somebody who's too lazy to make sure something as important as their resume is impeccable is probably too lazy to process complex forms without errors at his company..
Food for thought...
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EXACTLY the reason I will NEVER buy anything from a company with spelling errors in their advertising. I mean... SPELLING????????? Nevermind how easy spelling is, how fucking stupid do you have to be, in the age of SPELLCHECK, to have SPELLING ERRORS??? In the ads for your BUSINESS???? Answer: REALLY FUCKING STUPID.
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I don't really agree with that theory
a short list of people who were well known as notoriously bad spellers.
Winston Churchill PM of Great Britian author of "A History of the English Speaking Peoples"
Ernest Hemingway
F,Scott Fitzgerald
Agatha Christie
Albert Einstien.
I think some people find spelling a banal obsession.some folks like to crayon outside the lines.
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On job resumes I get it - I've bypassed candidates who wanted to work for me for being sloppy on cover letters. Heck, I put a trick into the application process, which four out of five candidates miss and so they don't even get an interview
But this is a forum about vaping
AS$ l~onG AsS itt aint speeled lIKe this - I usually give people a pass. I make plenty of spelling errors here myself and the autocorrect absolutely sucks and can embarrass you easily. It turns Dripbox into Dropbox for instance. It autocorrects kanthal to anthill
I usually only point out funny ones. Or like you did, chide someone who chided someone else about spelling, grammar or punctuation
How many people are hurt by their poor command of the language compared to those who managed to be successful despite it? Your list is rather short...
Anyhow, I'm not discussing the merits of writing properly. Hell, my family doctor can't even write a prescription without spelling one thing wrong on every line, yet he's a good doctor. All I'm saying is, if grammar and spelling can land you a job, then it's a banal obsession worth paying attention to. And don't think my boss is an exception...
It's just like dressing properly really: you can go around in worn-out fatigues and slashes, or put on a shirt and tie. Both attires are equally functional (the former probably even more so, actually), but the one wearing the latter is more likely to get hired at a job interview. Because what you wear says something about yourself, even if deep down you're a really great guy.
Exactly. That's why you don't see me correcting people around all the time on this board - only people who start correcting others, and who can't write properly themselves. As the saying goes, if you point out someone's body odor, you'd better make sure you took a shower yourself
There will always be people with weak language skills. The problem, as I see it, is the degradation of thinking skills. Churchill may have been a poor speller, but he was a world class orator. His vocabulary was immense and he understood the power to shape reality through language. The world doesn't shape language, language shapes the world. It creates and defines our individual reality. The ability to clearly and effectively communicate is one the most powerful and important skills a human can ever possess. The gulf between those who can do so and those who can't seems to be widening. This is my observation after decades in universities. Sadly, most of my colleagues agree, but we are biased as all hell.
That being said, there are some people on these boards whose spelling skills aren't the greatest, but their thinking skills are high. Remember, logic doesn't have to be true. Some may not agree with their premises, but their ability to pose logical arguments is solid.
I agree with Lucy. This is a vaping forum and no one wants to have their posts reviewed for spelling and grammar. It's just fucking annoying, no matter who does it. There is a vast difference between mistakes and errors. And we all make mistakes.
That being said, there are some people on these boards whose spelling skills aren't the greatest, but their thinking skills are high. Remember, logic doesn't have to be true. Some may not agree with their premises, but their ability to pose logical arguments is solid.
I agree with Lucy. This is a vaping forum and no one wants to have their posts reviewed for spelling and grammar. It's just fucking annoying, no matter who does it. There is a vast difference between mistakes and errors. And we all make mistakes.
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That would seriously affect the flavor of the vape, I would think.
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No. LOL
It's the age of texting and 140-character blips on Twitter. Add in computers and spell check and there's going to be a complete breakdown of communication skills.
Isn't smell check more important than spell check?
But then checks are always nice unless made of rubber.
But are Czech women nice?
But then checks are always nice unless made of rubber.
But are Czech women nice?
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1st off i wanna say i send out my best wishes to joe and hope he has a speedy recovery. I know myself and i'm sure everyone here understands that there are much more important things in life then a forum and obviously family and health being 2 of them. I also appreciate you coming in to respond here as well.
1) I absolutely understand this stance, and i agree with it. My only issue is the precedent was sent long before this. I'm sure it was done on ECF when VU started but i wasn't around so can't say with 100% certainty, but i can say when VTT started and the whole drama came out and all the BS, that the response from VU was "we don't care" we don't own the mods, we can't control if they are taking people to a new forum. People will do what they please. it's the "field of dreams" if you build it they will come. If VU is made a great place nobody would want to leave it. It really shouldn't be a concern. I do understand it is in "bad taste" but it was allowed before with no punishment even when mods were involved. On top of that a newly appointed mod did the same thing. so 3 people do it, one gets no punishment, one gets promoted, and one gets banned. I just don't see it as a "fair" thing to do. Like i said I understand your position, but at worse case a simple warning would have sufficed. Or it's your forum, change the rules. say as of now anyone who recruits VU members to other sites gets banned. Run it how you please it's your forum, but at least be fair and treat all members the same. This is a member of 2 years who was once a mod and has the most posts and likes on the forums.
2) appreciate the info and sounds like a good way to run things, but mods are supposed to be the most active, helpful, and fair/even keeled members of a forum. They are supposed to lead by example. I haven't seen anything remotely like that from the staff here. Most people defending the actions here.. well i'm sure you can see their demeanor and contributions to the forum. IDK if you want a forum to be a place like that. but again it's your forum do as you will
3) completely understood, it's none of my business how you run things or what you decide to do. I've just always been an "open book" type of guy. I've moderated forums before. I won't touch in the rest of it though.
4) I understand that for sure. sometimes there is more then meets the eye. Sometimes there are things going on though that even the mods/admins aren't aware of. which as a whole is pretty shitty. It really shouldn't be that way. again I wish Joe the best and hope he feels better soon and look forward to your response.
Thank you very much for your time and response
I haven't been really Active on here. I just post vape Mail.
Occasionally I will look at a post see what's new out there on the market or see prombles people are having.
I can't say what happen or why they did what they did. I can't even tell what she did wrong.
I came here because VU was the new place and you can be yourself. But I guess in 3 years things have change.
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Occasionally I will look at a post see what's new out there on the market or see prombles people are having.
I can't say what happen or why they did what they did. I can't even tell what she did wrong.
I came here because VU was the new place and you can be yourself. But I guess in 3 years things have change.
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This is a great place for freedom of expression
But no business worth it's salt is going to just sit back and allow a formerly-trusted member to undermine it to the extent seen so far
A few of the things I've seen are low - if mods or members don't like VU they can leave. I don't blame VU for putting the hammer down on assholes blatantly trying to drive traffic to the other site
But no business worth it's salt is going to just sit back and allow a formerly-trusted member to undermine it to the extent seen so far
A few of the things I've seen are low - if mods or members don't like VU they can leave. I don't blame VU for putting the hammer down on assholes blatantly trying to drive traffic to the other site
Retired1 would be proud of you.
LOL just kiddin of course.
Offering an invite is not driving people away.
I learned not to get emotionally involved with other people's vape drama on a board.
Rixta was my last mistake in that area and now he has gone back to ECF I think.
and before that it was the lady hawkiing the Boreas attys....
Ohh well.
NO MORE mistakes in that area.
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I agree with the sentiment but there are 3 factors at play
1) everyone has free will. if someone likes a place they won't leave regardless
2) several mods are members there already anyway. nobody forced them to be. Also mods here and their friends did the same thing at VTT (i'm sure you remember that thread) and spent the whole time bashing openly VU about how it sucks and they are done with it (something whiskey or anybody ever did at VI) and even planning on starting crap at VU and the precedent was set at "we don't care people will do what they do" SO why change now?
3) if it was 1 person, more understandable even though it didn't break a rule. when 3 people do it and 1 gets banned, one gets promoted, and one gets nothing. it seems to be a bit on the unfair side. and yes I understand life isn't fair, but it does go to show the sentiment of the forum how different people are treated different by the staff.
exactly. Driving people away has more been the actions of some mods here as well as some immature members shitting on noobs asking for help. Or people who get kicks out of trolling. Nobody is being pulled away by "ex members" they are being driven away by "current members"
the only people who don't see this are those who aren't very active and those who are doing the driving away