Wrecker g2 vs Ipv5 vs r200 vs cuboid vs rx200/s: Need answers asap!

[Wingsfan0310]

Wait a second, I don't need to lock the resistance on a DNA while using TC?

I don't lock the resistance on my DNA200 mods in TC. Evolv suggests you don't. Just make sure when you put a new tank on, it's at room temperature and say yes if the mod asks you if it's s new tank. The only time Evolv suggests you lock resistance is if you have a tank with unstable resistance.

DNA200's aren't like most mods where you have to lock the resistance. Evolv uses what they call refinement. It's where the chip is monitoring the coil and will adjust the resistance after it's been idle for awhile (if it changes as the coil is breaking in). With locked resistance, you are basically turning off the refinement.

 

[skt239]

Damn I had no idea. Thanks for the info and disregard my PM

 

[Vapomizer]

Even in Joyetech-board mods you do not need to lock the resistance, it actually works better this way and also has the "refinement" features, if a resistance of a coil changes and stays there for a while when the mod is idle (no firing for a while and the resistance holds in room temp) the resistance reading updates on its own and stays there until a new idle resistance is detected.

 

[skt239]

Even in Joyetech-board mods you do not need to lock the resistance, it actually works better this way and also has the "refinement" features, if a resistance of a coil changes and stays there for a while when the mod is idle (no firing for a while and the resistance holds in room temp) the resistance reading updates on its own and stays there until a new idle resistance is detected.

Shit I had no idea

 

[Vapomizer]

Shit I had no idea

I actually started enjoying TC much more and got a more accurate and consistent experience when i stopped locking the resistance, you only need to lock it if your connections are not solid and resistance is playing around a lot, but if your connections from coil-to-base are stable, it works much better without resistance locking, and if the resistance changes enough (i think 0.03-0.05 ohm) and stays there i think for 15-30 minutes while the mod is idle or turned off the new resistance will update automatically and hold until the same conditions occur again, this applies to all Joyetech/Wismec/Eleaf recent TC products.

 

[skt239]

I actually started enjoying TC much more and got a more accurate and consistent experience when i stopped locking the resistance, you only need to lock it if your connections are not solid and resistance is playing around a lot, but if your connections from coil-to-base are stable, it works much better without resistance locking, and if the resistance changes enough (i think 0.03-0.05 ohm) and stays there i think for 15-30 minutes while the mod is idle or turned off the new resistance will update automatically and hold until the same conditions occur again, this applies to all Joyetech/Wismec/Eleaf recent TC products.

My whole world is crumbling around me. It's like everything I've ever known got turned upside down... Seriously though, I'm going to break the RX and Evic VTC and try it. Thanks

 

[Vapomizer]

My whole world is crumbling around me. It's like everything I've ever known got turned upside down... Seriously though, I'm going to break the RX and Evic VTC and try it. Thanks

I discovered this by coincidence when i updated the firmware and forgot to lock the resistance, i found that i am having a more consistent vape as in every hit having the same strength, instead of having hits with varying strength without knowing what the heck is going on, because when resistance is locked you don't know when your connections are going bad coz a locked resistance always read the same regardless of what the actual resistance really is.

This helps a lot to troubleshoot bad connections because when i find the idle resistance changing i know that it is time to change coil, tighten post screws, tighten center pin or clean connections, unlocked resistance will provide a great detector when something is going wrong with your atomizer while a locked resistance shows you nothing

I think the reason they invented the resistance locking is for sub-ohm tanks with floating positive pin and rubber supported push pins, these tanks resistance play around a lot and hence needs to be locked, but for RTA/RDA type atomizers with post screws and a fixed/adjustable screw style positive pin, connections and hence resistance is rock solid so there is no need for resistance locking ...

That is everything in my mind on this topic just to make the information complete

 

[Deucesjack]

I don't even know how to lock the resisitance on a Wismec or Dna.

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[skt239]

So what about on a yihi chip? Same deal? Don't need resistance lock?

 

[Vapomizer]

I don't even know how to lock the resisitance on a Wismec or Dna.

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I believe most people tend to lock resistance in TC @ room temp, because common shared knowledge and even the user-manuals for most mods recommend doing that, but in practice it is totally unnecessary if you are using a stable atomizer, it actually provides a less than optimal experience.

The key point here is that almost all mods capture and hold the resistance of an atomizer when it is newly attached, and never change it as the mod is being fired and the resistance rise during heat up, it only changes it if it detects a new idle resistance for a long period of time.

Joyetech board reads (and hold) initial resistance in these cases:

1- Newly attached atomizer

2- Mod turned off for a while (about 30 minutes) and then turned back on, a new reading is captured

3- a Firmware update while the atomizer is attached, the firmware update triggers a new reading since the update wipes out the device memory and the old stored resistance and that triggers a re-read

The resistance detected in any of these events holds without locking.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

So what about on a yihi chip? Same deal? Don't need resistance lock?

All the Yihi chips that I know of require you to lock the resistance.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[skt239]

All the Yihi chips that I know of require you to lock the resistance.

Cheers,
Steve

Ok cool thanks

 

[Vapomizer]

So what about on a yihi chip? Same deal? Don't need resistance lock?

It is actually easy to test, i believe you have an IPV5 right? attache a new atomizer, check initial reading, vape it without locking and see if the initial reading changes, if it does not change without locking and if the hits are consistent (not getting weaker and stronger between hits) then it holds the initial resistance like the rest and there will be no need for locking.

 

[skt239]

It is actually easy to test, i believe you have an IPV5 right? attache a new atomizer, check initial reading, vape it without locking and see if the initial reading changes, if it does not change without locking and if the hits are consistent (not getting weaker and stronger between hits) then it holds the initial resistance like the rest and there will be no need for locking.

I do have an IPV5 and I'll test it tonight and see how it works.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I do have an IPV5 and I'll test it tonight and see how it works.

I'm almost positive you have to lock the IPV5 in TC. I haven't heard of any Yihi chips that you don't have to lock the resistance in TC. I know for a fact you have to lock the IPV3 Li in TC.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[cxdom]

What about the ipv6? I've had my ipv4 since release never had an issue with it. Removed the charging board myself and no problems.

 

[skt239]

I'm almost positive you have to lock the IPV5 in TC. I haven't heard of any Yihi chips that you don't have to lock the resistance in TC. I know for a fact you have to lock the IPV3 Li in TC.

Cheers,
Steve

I'm not bothered to click two buttons so no big deal. Thanks for clearing it up, Steve.

 

[skt239]

So using a tank with SS coils seemed to work just, even better with the resistance unlocked. Then I decided to throw an RDA on top and did a quick burn test with a wet coil and the cotton caught fire. Every thing was set up right, cold coil, cold mod and all that. The build in the topper are .3 SS duel fused claptons. I let every thing cool down, put the RDA back on, locked the resistance and it worked perfectly.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

So using a tank with SS coils seemed to work just, even better with the resistance unlocked. Then I decided to throw an RDA on top and did a quick burn test with a wet coil and the cotton caught fire. Every thing was set up right, cold coil, cold mod and all that. The build in the topper are .3 SS duel fused claptons. I let every thing cool down, put the RDA back on, locked the resistance and it worked perfectly.

What mod and what did you have the temperature set at? Over ~400F will set dry cotton on fire iirc (I'm going by memory so I could be off on the temp a tad)

 

[skt239]

What mod and what did you have the temperature set at? Over ~400F will set dry cotton on fire iirc (I'm going by memory so I could be off on the temp a tad)

Sorry, those are important details to leave out. It was the Vaporshark DNA200, set at 500 degrees, 60w with a 80w pre-heat.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Sorry, those are important details to leave out. It was the Vaporshark DNA200, set at 500 degrees, 60w with a 80w pre-heat.

If you try that test with the temperature set to 400F it shouldn't burn the cotton. I believe 500F is enough to ignite dry cotton.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[skt239]

If you try that test with the temperature set to 400F it shouldn't burn the cotton. I believe 500F is enough to ignite dry cotton.

Cheers,
Steve

Right, but I like to do those test with wet wicks and at the settings I vape that rda at, 60w, 500 degrees. While I was holding the button the resistance was jumping all over the place.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Right, but I like to do those test with wet wicks and at the settings I vape that rda at, 60w, 500 degrees. While I was holding the button the resistance was jumping all over the place.

That's strange. I have something for you to try when you get a chance if your game. When it's at room temperature (same atty and build) hook the mod up to Escribe and click on the Atomizer Analyzer (it's on the general tab page). See if the resistance is stable or if it's jumping. No power added.It should be relatively stable.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[skt239]

That's strange. I have something for you to try when you get a chance if your game. When it's at room temperature (same atty and build) hook the mod up to Escribe and click on the Atomizer Analyzer (it's on the general tab page). See if the resistance is stable or if it's jumping. No power added.It should be relatively stable.

Cheers,
Steve

I only have a Mac and use my mom and dads computer for escribe when I'm at there house. I'm going to add a reminder on my phone to do that when I'm there on Monday. I'm interested to see the results.

 

[stmtpr]

<rant> Why in the hell don't they develop freakin escribe software for anything other than Windows. ARGH!!! </rant>

sorry for being off topic.

 

[skt239]

<rant> Why in the hell don't they develop freakin escribe software for anything other than Windows. ARGH!!! </rant>

sorry for being off topic.

It's supposedly been in the works for a while now. I share your sentiments.