I see. I use glass. I've never had a problem with moisture. Idk..
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Does the same with glass, LOL, my post said I have tried that with both glass and plastic.
I don't refrigerate my juices at all anymore, and wouldn't for steeping, Thanks
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I think my test at 98mg/ml is fairly accurate, as the 6mg mix I made this morning jerked my head around a little bit...lol!
I dunno about steeping juice in the fridge, but it sure does wonders for soup beans - HA!
I dunno about steeping juice in the fridge, but it sure does wonders for soup beans - HA!
If you could supply that service over the internet, I'm thinking you would be Rich!
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Sounds like a good way to get herself classified as a tobacco product to me!
As there are no batch numbers on the bottles we can't compare. So presumably either mine was from a bad batch, or there was a hot spot somewhere in the original mixing with VG.
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Yours was VG? Mine was PG, but I didn't have a batch number either, or an expiration date. I'm sure he'll look into that because batch numbers are just a matter of safety. When Nude double-dosed that batch last year, those numbers were pretty important.
Since switching to made to order methods batch numbers are not used. However, we do keep meticulous records of each including, but not limited to, the customer, date, product description, and the batch of pure nicotine used. We use the made to order method to ensure the nicotine is as freshly manufactured as possible.
Expiration of nicotine envolves many factors with the most important being a user's method of storage. Some experts say nicotine is good for 1 year when properly stored at - 6 degrees. However, opinions differ as some claim as long as 2 years. The bottom line is it depends on the method of storage. I feel that affixing expiration dates could potentially give a user a false sense of security.
I can't explain the issue with AmandaD's nicotine other than excessive heat during shipping. I find it extremely ironic that we ship hundreds of bottles of nicotine many of which to major juice companies which I am not at liberty to disclose, yet we've never had this issue arise. I do recall her posting on page 7 of this thread that she was concerned about the forecasted temperature on the day her nic was scheduled to be delivered to reach 100 degrees. If the nicotine set in a mail truck for several hours under those type of conditions it would certainly cause what she describes. However, I've asked her to post a picture of the nicotine poured into a clear glass as has already been demonstrated that looking into the bottle doesn't give an accurate observation due to refraction. I think the images posted by Teresa affirmatively demonstrates this.
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I do agree with this, because like expiry dates on some foods, I'm gonna ignore it long as it tastes good.
...And truthfully, I never even acknowledged batch numbers until the incident with NN and soon as I read about that I checked the numbers on mine with a quickness. Fortunately my batch wasn't in question.The expiration date on a gallon of milk may read "Use by xx/xx/xxxx," but if you leave it out on your kitchen counter overnight and then put it in the fridge, that date is null and void. And if the delivery truck breaks down and it's left to sit for awhile before being re-refrigerated, that milk is gonna be questionable when it gets to you.
Page 113 here says labels are a requirement or am I reading it wrong? Maybe just for mailing?
Https://books.google.com/books?id=cKI8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=required+labeling+for+pure+liquid+nicotine&source=bl&ots=admnN1KNBS&sig=tkPVpAM8XgoHJFs_pKk3E6HCKYE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwihyND28pXNAhWCPiYKHfSRCgk4HhDoAQg_MAU#v=onepage&q=required labeling for pure liquid nicotine&f=false
Regardless, I think it should be a requirement to have batch numbers and Exp dates on everything you put in a bottle and sell to the consumer, if not a safety net to insure quality and safety for your customers
Https://books.google.com/books?id=cKI8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=required+labeling+for+pure+liquid+nicotine&source=bl&ots=admnN1KNBS&sig=tkPVpAM8XgoHJFs_pKk3E6HCKYE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwihyND28pXNAhWCPiYKHfSRCgk4HhDoAQg_MAU#v=onepage&q=required labeling for pure liquid nicotine&f=false
Regardless, I think it should be a requirement to have batch numbers and Exp dates on everything you put in a bottle and sell to the consumer, if not a safety net to insure quality and safety for your customers
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Sorry to link another forum...ahem. However, back in 2011 a occurrence happened and it set the course for labels and batch numbers. Nicotine is a chemical and needs identification/lot numbers/etc. Don't be offended by my post. I am just shocked by lack of disclosure/lack of identification of this particular brand of nicotine base.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjeitbn9ZXNAhVSMFIKHZXiDTAQrAIIQygAMAU&url=https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/houston-we-have-a-problem-be-nic-titration-results.239728/&usg=AFQjCNFetY8oTBXnipdXoL90He2mC9ZT6A
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjeitbn9ZXNAhVSMFIKHZXiDTAQrAIIQygAMAU&url=https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/houston-we-have-a-problem-be-nic-titration-results.239728/&usg=AFQjCNFetY8oTBXnipdXoL90He2mC9ZT6A
Thanks for the link. The information contained therein is for shipping of pure nicotine and sets out the hazmat requirements. 100mg nicotine doesn't require hazmat shipping. Nevertheless, our sole interest is our customers. We are looking into creating a different system. We feel very strongly about the safety of our customers. At the present, I'm not sure how this can be accomplished since, as I stated above, our nicotine is not created in batches. It is manufactured on a per order basis. We will try to figure out something. However, whatever we figure out it will not include expiration dates. I feel very strongly about expiration dates giving customers a false sense of security. More importantly, nicotine doesn't expire. The carrier (PG/VG) does. Again, however, that is totally dependent upon the conditions of storage. More likely what I will do in that regard is to affix a label containing the date of manufacture.
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Thanks for posting the picture. After a little research I discovered your nicotine was delivered to your front porch at approximately 2:00pm. Considering, by your own statement, forecast temperatures were to reach around 100 degrees, I think the nic looks pretty damn good considering the conditions it was subjected to. Nevertheless, in light of your titration results, I have agreed to refund you including shipping.
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I had to remove the picture you posted, as it contained the full name of the member you were addressing. Please, DO NOT give out customer information as such.
Basically because we don't sell pure nic.
Regardless, Whiskey. As I stated above, we're going to figure out a different method. We want our customers to be both safe and satisfied. Just for information purposes, 100mg nicotine isn't pure. Pure nicotine is usually around 999.6mg - 999.9mg.
Thanks and sorry about that. I have removed the surname and reposted. Thanks again.
Can you please re-edit this to remove the rest of her personal information? I don't see that any of her information is at all necessary.
I am shocked you would post my personal information to 'prove' a moot point. Apart from the fact that the nic smells like no other I have ever received the titration is something I would expect a nic supplier to address without drama. The lack of batch number indicates that whoever mixed my batch 'fresh' made an error.
I wouldn't use them as a model of nicotine info or handling, considering this is what they sent out and thought was perfectly fine:
And yes, that's the nic in the middle
For the record, mine was delivered on Friday at 1:11pm, where it was cloudy all day with a high of 73 degrees.
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The irony is thick in here.
Sorry about the personal information. I did remove the address initially. It simply contained your name. Regardless, I should have removed it and apologize.
I posted the image to demonstrate that what I had stated from the beginning about being exposed to excessive heat was the most likely cause. It was for educational purposes to other users.
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As I have repeatedly stated, the color of nicotine has nothing to do with either the quality, purity or strength. I have no idea what the quality of the nicotine in the picture you posted is so, I cannot comment on it. Regardless of color, if the nicotine is smooth, not harsh and not peppery, that color, in and of itself is in no way indicative of anything to do with the nic.
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There is no irony. The image contained nothing more than her name which I have already expressed regret over. No address or other identifying information was included.
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I was referring to another earlier (but identical) sequence of events caused by Whiskey and exacerbated by
the 2 modladies who participated in the lynchmob back then... Nutin' to do with you.
I am watching and reading though to try to accumulate enough info to form an opinion of ChemNic.
AND has nothing to do with this thread or it's posters, so clearly looks like you are intending a pot stirI was referring to another earlier (but identical) sequence of events caused by Whiskey and exacerbated by
the 2 modladies who participated in the lynchmob back then... Nutin' to do with you.
I am watching and reading though to try to accumulate enough info to form an opinion of ChemNic.
Of course there's no way I can verify that I did NOT participate in that mess of a thread, since it disappeared with your posts recently, I had just become a mod at that time and chose to stay out of it because of that. Amanda was not a moderator at that time. A spoof thread was created, though. Maybe you'll find what you need in that one, I honestly don't know.
This is neither here, nor there, no pun intended. This is now ChemNic's thread.
I was referring to another earlier (but identical) sequence of events caused by Whiskey and exacerbated by
the 2 modladies who participated in the lynchmob back then... Nutin' to do with you.
I am watching and reading though to try to accumulate enough info to form an opinion of ChemNic.
Thanks and sorry. I'm honestly not sure how much else you will be able to learn about my company from this thread as it seems no matter what I post there is always a post from someone else with a contradiction that is actually false. I guess some people just feel the need to always be right. I believe much of the drama here could have been avoided if I had been contacted personally regarding any problem with the nicotine and given a chance to resolve it before bashing me in an open forum. I've received a number of emails informing me that this type of behavior seems to be prevalent with certain members. That they always feel the need to be right even if they're wrong. Nevertheless, I have done my best to conduct myself in a professional manner. That's about to wear very thin though.
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@ChemNic,
Just stay on point. There are some legit questions here.
But above all stay credible. VU is moderated as more of a social network and less like a forum.
If you have a truth to verify your quality, then post and document that truth.
I will say I'm unsettled re your claim that nic clarity/color does not indicate quality or age.
But my main curiosity is about the fairly wide variance in the nic colors in the posted (received) pics.
Like I said, I need to see more to form an opinion.
Just stay on point. There are some legit questions here.
But above all stay credible. VU is moderated as more of a social network and less like a forum.
If you have a truth to verify your quality, then post and document that truth.
I will say I'm unsettled re your claim that nic clarity/color does not indicate quality or age.
But my main curiosity is about the fairly wide variance in the nic colors in the posted (received) pics.
Like I said, I need to see more to form an opinion.
Thanks.. And, agreed. There are some legitimate questions.
First, unless nicotine has been bleached during processing, all nic will change colors. This is regardless of quality or purity. Having said that, pure nicotine will degrade faster than diluted nicotine ie. that which has been suspended in pg/vg. This is because both PG and VG can act as preservatives. How fast it changes colors depends on the conditions it is subjected to. Nicotine has three primary enemies. UV light, heat and oxygen with heat being the worst culprit. However, oxidation doesn't necessarily mean the nic is old. Oxidation can happen at a very fast rate if it is exposed to excessive heat. Here's the problem. Most people have been taught that oxidation means nicotine is bad. That is absolutely not true. Oxidation is merely a cosmetic effect; a natural chemical reaction. The true test of nicotine is the strength (As nic will lose strength over an excessive period of time), whether it is harsh or peppery. If the nicotine is within the 2% margin of error in strength and posses none of the previously mentioned characteristics, the nicotine is perfectly fine to use and should not affect the taste of your juice. Yellowish orange nicotine could very well indicate old nicotine. However, age is not the only factor that can cause a change in color. Everything I stated above can be the cause. Especially heat. This is what I would suggest you do sometime and, this may demonstrate what I'm saying. Take a small portion of nicotine. Place it in direct sunlight in a window seal until it turns golden brown. Then make a bottle of e-liquid with absolutely no flavoring. Just nic, pg/vg only. Now vape it. If it's not harsh or peppery the nicotine is fine and is more likely very good quality nic. I would even go further and suggest you next make a bottle with flavoring as well. There is actually no such thing as "Oxidized Nicotine". Why do I say that? Because oxidation is an ongoing process. It is progressive. It can only be correctly stated as oxidation has begun. But, the oxidation process begins immediately. It simply becomes more evident over time. Honestly, there is an abundance of information on the internet that confirms what I'm saying. I don't want to link to other forums though.
http://vaperanks.com/why-does-my-e-liquid-change-color/
To be honest, I haven't seen a wide variance of color. Even in this thread. But, especially considering the hundreds of bottles we sell. Regardless, as I have outlined above, color, in and of itself, it not determinative.
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Your picture was removed, yes, because the member didn't want her info out there. Posting the tracking info, even edited, still showed her location. I personally don't see why it was necessary to post a picture of the tracking information, and just mentioning the time that it was delivered to her door, since that was the only point you were trying to make about it. I removed the post and admin has been made aware of the matter.
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The image was edited and no longer contained any identifying information. The member didn't want the image posted because it affirmatively demonstrated my point. She spent alot of effort complaining about the color of her nicotine but failed to inform the other members that her package was left on her front porch in 100 degree heat. Instead her goal was to degrade my product which I don't believe she either really tested or didn't post the true results. Regardless, this type of censorship prevents members from being truly informed of the facts. It degrades the forum tremendously. I would ask you to show me any rule in which the image violated.
I have been extremely polite to you in this thread.
Yes, the color was dark, and the smell was alarming., totally unlike the sample that was also shipped. No, the nicotine wasn't on my porch for more than the 30 seconds it took for me to bring it in. I paid specifically the $20 for 2 day delivery to ensure it was exposed to the heat as little as possible, as you were aware when you shipped the product. As to not posting true results, well, I can only assume that since you're new to this forum you haven't had a chance to see that I'm not the sort of person to falsify something like that.
I mailed back your product today as requested, and I look forward to receiving a refund on Friday when it arrives.
Yes, the color was dark, and the smell was alarming., totally unlike the sample that was also shipped. No, the nicotine wasn't on my porch for more than the 30 seconds it took for me to bring it in. I paid specifically the $20 for 2 day delivery to ensure it was exposed to the heat as little as possible, as you were aware when you shipped the product. As to not posting true results, well, I can only assume that since you're new to this forum you haven't had a chance to see that I'm not the sort of person to falsify something like that.
I mailed back your product today as requested, and I look forward to receiving a refund on Friday when it arrives.
I'm not arguing with you ma'am. Anyone with half a brain can see what went on here. Like I said earlier, I received emails about the arrogance from certain members of this forum. So, yes, they do see clearly. Have a good evening.
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For the sake of clarity the image was posted three times and edited out
the first time you failed to edit out the name and address. You were warned; and then reposted it- only editing the name but left city and zip so it was removed again. The third time you reposted it you left the city it was delivered to, so it was edited out again.
We are not censoring you or choosing sides, However, Personal information is to remain out of the forum, for the protection of our members, I would think as a business person you would want to protect your customers.
That's actually very inaccurate. The image was posted twice. Not once did it contain the address. It did contain a name which was removed before posting a second time. Whatever though.
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I say the following as a member: I would hope that you are more careful with customers private information. I certainly would not want to do business with someone having to be concerned that a complaint could result in my information being publicized.
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WOW ! That looks like nic from my early days of DIY'ing. 2010 China rubber tire kerosene nastiness !I wouldn't use them as a model of nicotine info or handling, considering this is what they sent out and thought was perfectly fine:
And yes, that's the nic in the middle
For the record, mine was delivered on Friday at 1:11pm, where it was cloudy all day with a high of 73 degrees.
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Well, I don't have much to say on the general topics bouncing around on this thread. I figured, though, I might as well share my own personal experience.
I don't feel like taking pictures, sorry. Que hueva.
I'll be comparing my Chemnic to the most recent NicSelect nic I received from NR, which is 100mg in 100% VG. The nic I received from Chemnic is 100mg in 100% PG.
When pouring each into a syringe for mixing, the NR nic is clear, while the Chemnic nic as a very slight pinkish color. This is of zero concern to me.
When I put my nose over a 120ml glass amber bottle of each and take a big whiff, both share a similar earthy smell, but the NR nic has a sharp note that curlers the nose, something which is completely lacking with the Chemnic nic. Major plus for Chemnic.
I've just started vaping a little nonna-based recipe I made with the Chemnic nic. Much to early to say anything definitive. The NR nic, of which I've gone through about half a liter thus far, was fine on the vape, though there would be a bit of mouth numbing, a bit of harshness when some time period would go between vapes (we're not talking a particularly long time). In the couples hours I've been vaping this Chemnic juice, I've experienced none of that. It's just smooth and nice. It's far to early for me to say definitively, but I'm hoping this will prove to be a better vape than what NR's nic offers.
Also, very little can be extrapolated from my personal experience. I live in central Mexico. Everything I order online is shipped to an address in north Texas, where it's kept who knows where (hopefully inside his air conditioned house), until it is time to make a delivery down here, every two weeks. They take two days to make it here, and central/south Texas to central Mexico are not areas known to be particularly temperate. God only knows what effect this process has on the nic I purchase. But, since I've lived down here, I've purchase NicSelect nic from ECX and NR, and now Chemnic nic. It has all arrived in a vapeable state, which the NicSelect simply having a nose-curling pungent smell that I found quite disappointing. So, I really don't know what to think about how quickly and negatively nic can change during shipment. If it was that sensitive, it seems like I would have been just as well off ordering jars of pimiento negro. lol
I vape 6mg juice, and can't say that this mix using Chemnic nic feels any different than the 100mg NicSelect nic I've been using for the last year or so. But strength is my only question, and I'll need to order a test kit to clear that up for me.
Well, I guess the one other question I have is where Chemnic sources their pure nic. I don't think that information has been disclosed yet?
I don't feel like taking pictures, sorry. Que hueva.
I'll be comparing my Chemnic to the most recent NicSelect nic I received from NR, which is 100mg in 100% VG. The nic I received from Chemnic is 100mg in 100% PG.
When pouring each into a syringe for mixing, the NR nic is clear, while the Chemnic nic as a very slight pinkish color. This is of zero concern to me.
When I put my nose over a 120ml glass amber bottle of each and take a big whiff, both share a similar earthy smell, but the NR nic has a sharp note that curlers the nose, something which is completely lacking with the Chemnic nic. Major plus for Chemnic.
I've just started vaping a little nonna-based recipe I made with the Chemnic nic. Much to early to say anything definitive. The NR nic, of which I've gone through about half a liter thus far, was fine on the vape, though there would be a bit of mouth numbing, a bit of harshness when some time period would go between vapes (we're not talking a particularly long time). In the couples hours I've been vaping this Chemnic juice, I've experienced none of that. It's just smooth and nice. It's far to early for me to say definitively, but I'm hoping this will prove to be a better vape than what NR's nic offers.
Also, very little can be extrapolated from my personal experience. I live in central Mexico. Everything I order online is shipped to an address in north Texas, where it's kept who knows where (hopefully inside his air conditioned house), until it is time to make a delivery down here, every two weeks. They take two days to make it here, and central/south Texas to central Mexico are not areas known to be particularly temperate. God only knows what effect this process has on the nic I purchase. But, since I've lived down here, I've purchase NicSelect nic from ECX and NR, and now Chemnic nic. It has all arrived in a vapeable state, which the NicSelect simply having a nose-curling pungent smell that I found quite disappointing. So, I really don't know what to think about how quickly and negatively nic can change during shipment. If it was that sensitive, it seems like I would have been just as well off ordering jars of pimiento negro. lol
I vape 6mg juice, and can't say that this mix using Chemnic nic feels any different than the 100mg NicSelect nic I've been using for the last year or so. But strength is my only question, and I'll need to order a test kit to clear that up for me.
Well, I guess the one other question I have is where Chemnic sources their pure nic. I don't think that information has been disclosed yet?
@rchmx.. Thanks for the post. Our nicotine is sourced from India. We've only been using it for approximately 6 months. Before deciding on this particular source we tried a multitude of different ones. We found this source to be the best of all the ones we tried.
It is perfectly normal for nicotine to have an earthy odor. The hotter the nic becomes the more prevalent the odor will be. In any event, that odor should not affect the taste of your juice.
I'm happy that you're enjoying it thus far. Please keep me posted as time goes by.
Thanks again.
It is perfectly normal for nicotine to have an earthy odor. The hotter the nic becomes the more prevalent the odor will be. In any event, that odor should not affect the taste of your juice.
I'm happy that you're enjoying it thus far. Please keep me posted as time goes by.
Thanks again.
It seems like a lot of the nic that winds up in DIYers hands originated in India. My understanding is that is were NicSelect's nicotine comes from. I could certainly imagine that, given my less than ideal shipping situation, there could be a lot of luck of the draw as to how my nic arrives. I've come to accept that some degree of an earthy smell is to be expected with nic derived via a particular method.
Out of pure curiosity, in your endeavors to start your nic business, did you ever encounter, and if so investigate, pure nicotine from NicoBrand? Just curious, as I've had some conversations with their US rep, and my impression is that their nic is of a different class than that sourced from India.
Out of pure curiosity, in your endeavors to start your nic business, did you ever encounter, and if so investigate, pure nicotine from NicoBrand? Just curious, as I've had some conversations with their US rep, and my impression is that their nic is of a different class than that sourced from India.
Vaped for the first time this morning (after the mod sat all night of course). There would typically be at least a couple vapes of harshness to get through with the NicSelect nic. Chemnic was just as smooth as when I had first loaded it up. I view this as a huge improvement! Now, I won't really know how I feel about this nic until I receive a test kit and can confirm potency, but outside of getting a disappointing result there, I'm very happy with this nic.
Of course I don't know where other vendors source their nic but, I'd almost be willing to bet a great number of them source from India. The earthy smell is most common in nic that has been extracted using a distillation process. Nicotine derived using this method is more refined and is actually the process used for pharmaceutical purposes.
I don't recall that brand specifically although it is possible. We tried quite a few before making our decision.
That's great. I don't believe you will be any less satisfied after testing. As I previously stated, we sell to a lot of juice manufacturers through our wholesale program. They routinely test the nic they receive. It's always within the 2% margin of error. Whenever we receive a new shipment of pure nicotine, 999.9mg, we send a sample to an independent lab for testing. Not once has it come back less than 999.6mg/ml. So, were very confident in our product and our supplier. Keep in mind though, test bought for DIY'ers isn't as accurate as the test used in labs.
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Again, document it. Posting your dated certs on-site will inspire buyer confidence.
And lot numbers.... even bottling dates are an absolute requirement.
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