So they cloned The tobeco Velocity mini? It was out about a year before the 'authentic'.
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The fact it's made from silver will prevent it from being cloned more than likely. Just like Relik Mods, the materials alone are way too expensive to clone. Unless of course they do it in a low qualitysilver plated stainless or aluminum. I personally want the $5,000 Traveler mod and the $325 Impact mod from Relik. Those things are just sexy. What mod is that you showed? I would love to look into getting one in few months.
Hopefully won't ever see this cloned. Only 50 made, solid silver, hand engraved and no 2 the same. Hits like you'd expect a solid silver mod to hit
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It's a Pilak by 2JNT. Like I said, only 50 made. I know where 7 of them are and no one seems to be giving them up. Guy I know got offered a 1st ed scndrl and some fancy ass able for trade for it and he said no way.
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Never looked at it like that. Pretty funny that the cloners got cloned. Although, with the usual circumstances with clones, I'm sure the real velocity and v2 will last a hell of a lot longer than the counterfeit version
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Sweet baby jesus¡!¡!¡ that is a freaking work of art , it is beautiful
Hopefully won't ever see this cloned. Only 50 made, solid silver, hand engraved and no 2 the same. Hits like you'd expect a solid silver mod to hit
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One of the biggest claims to owning clones over authentics is the price. But what I have YET to see in a clone vs auth debate, is the fact that authentics hold value, and 95% of the time are taken care of enough to resell. I just bought an authentic veritas rda for $40. $120 new... and if I ever sell it, I'll be able to get out what I've got in it, maybe even more. Last week I bought a velocity for $40. Plus, being authentic, accessories and replacement parts if needed, are available from the manufacturer. Ever tried contacting someone from Shenzen to get an insulator for a clone velocity? Good luck with that.
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Like I said before, it took time, research and some headaches but I got a 999 pure silver coated copper Fuhattan. Of course it's a clone of the horrific and horrendous Manhattan. Has pretty much no voltage drop (had it checked, it's 0 003V drop). It's one exception to your rule. I have a authentic TM RDA and clone, the replacement insulators are same on both, plus TM sells replacement pieces for his RDAs. As far as RDA concerned, I will buy a higher quality $25 clone to try out before I buy a $100 original in case it sucks. I personally am obsessed with Indulgence RDAs. I all versions of the Mutation X V4 now, and planning on a V5 soon. Just love the airflow design. Tanks, I will never buy a clone. Don't understand people who do. I won't buy a regulated or TC clone either, to me, IMO, it's asking for trouble. So, basically, I will buy clone mechanical mods if they on same level or better than authentic, will buy a clone of a high end RDA to see if I like the design before I buy the original. Tanks, no.
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I would trade a full Rig V2 & Roughneck V2 for one of those. I personally HATE the able. The scndrl is a really cool design but it's not for me. I really just want all my mods now to be ultra high end pretentious pieces, except for my all day devices. Don't see any appeal in carrying something like a Osiris or a custom DNA 250 10,000mah box when it will get banged up.
Does anyone one know what 1:1clone mean
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an atty or mod that is an true replica of the original in design, not neccesarily in materials or level of craftsmanship just design.
Very Curious thread as I just bought my first Authentic Complyfe mod and Currently using it the only difference I can tell is that its heavier. I did research when I bought a clone and I bought it for $40 so an expensive clone but now that I have both and I compare the actual button which I thought would be different, I see its literally identical in appearance inside its maybe the materials are different but copper is copper and brass is brass right?
I buy clones if the authentic is clearly overpriced, when I first got my Velocity V1 the original was close to 100$ CAD.. 1/1 Fasttech Clone.... 8$
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Clones are shit, and maybe bad to your health PERIOD. Dont run the risk, its simply not worth it
Umad bro?
maybe good to your health who knows, let us know when you find out.
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Who you talkin to, Willis?!
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Ignorance is bliss, my friend...
The list of "maybe" and "what if" is infinite, their not a good argument.
I find your Ignorance is bliss comment ironic.
I find your Ignorance is bliss comment ironic.
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Its not, your ignorance and lack of investigation on the subject leads you to think clones are not dangerous to your health, research and find out what an how they are made and then post a reply, and tell me im wrong.
Your saying all clones are made the same or there is only one clone?, which authentic is so healthy?, making your own box mod is dangerous to your health? As far as what I have or have not researched your making assumptions. I've not claimed any clone or authentic is good or bad for your health, you have.
I've recently started acquiring "high end" authentic rda's and squonk mods.
Very rare will a clone match quality control over an authentic.
It's little things some don't pay attention too or have the mind set to even look for like how well a screw fits inside it's thread or the material some parts or pieces may be made from...all steel and copper and brass are not created equal.
I have a bunch of clones and like quite a few of them but when you get right down to it authentics are more money for a reason...they cared about fit finish and quality of materials used and yes they may be targeting a different crowd all together...maybe those who want the best of said products.
Nothing wrong with a clone but untill you've experienced a more expensive authentic vs a clone side by side you can't really express much debate on this subject.
Here's an affordable authentic some might care to try..Oumier Wasp RDA. $13 worth of china quality goodness...waiting for the clone of this one to come out...should be interesting.
Very rare will a clone match quality control over an authentic.
It's little things some don't pay attention too or have the mind set to even look for like how well a screw fits inside it's thread or the material some parts or pieces may be made from...all steel and copper and brass are not created equal.
I have a bunch of clones and like quite a few of them but when you get right down to it authentics are more money for a reason...they cared about fit finish and quality of materials used and yes they may be targeting a different crowd all together...maybe those who want the best of said products.
Nothing wrong with a clone but untill you've experienced a more expensive authentic vs a clone side by side you can't really express much debate on this subject.
Here's an affordable authentic some might care to try..Oumier Wasp RDA. $13 worth of china quality goodness...waiting for the clone of this one to come out...should be interesting.
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Yep, maybe back in the old days some clones may have been just as good or maybe better but not for the last couple of years. Looks are only a small portion of the deal. The quality of machining for one then quality materials not just the metal but insulators and what not.
I buy clones, if I like it I'll get an authentic, it's a cheap way to test out rda's and not dish out 50-100$ just to find out I don't like it..
And sometimes a clone is so bad it gives you a false sense that you wouldn't like an authentic...lol
Happened to me with a Kanger subtank mini...bought the cheap fasttech clone and it flat out was a horrible experience for me...Acquired an authentic and still have the tank today..the clone went in the trash along time ago.
There are some great clones out there but when you buy the authentic it becomes apparent why the authentic was more money no matter how well the clone performed.
The wasp has been cloned, 8$ on FT, 4$ cheaper than the authentic, that one doesn’t make sense to me.
Well some people are so cheap and their time isn't worth much so they will wait month's to save pennies. IMO at least.
I agree the fit and finish on my authentic mods is top notch. On my authentic rdas some are better than others.
I love the authentic Tobecco Super Tank but it has crunchy threads.
Authentic and clone I've seen good and bad it's all about the company, that's why we have reviews.
My Wasp nano is great and you can't beat the price. (wife is using it now). Do you think they'll sell a clone Wasp for 1/10 the price?
Yep, some people are just way too cheap. They'll bitch that $30 is to much, but buy the clone for $25 all the while paying $130+ a month for Cable TV.
I have never owned a clone and sort of suspect what materials a $3 clone is made of or what kind of quality you get at 10% the price of Original.
Shit if anyone wants a good clone of some high end bf attys here's a small list.
Shenray Hadaly
SXK Entheon
SXK Haku Phenom.
I have a Hadaly clone which is good but the Shenray version is said to be the best of the Hadaly clone...I own an authentic to compare to.
I own the SXK Haku Phenom clone...great little atty...I own the authentic Haku Cruiser RDA
As far as the SXK Entheon, I'm buying one despite owning the authentic as well.
I'm sure there is more and I'll research to find the good clones to try out first hand.
Shenray Hadaly
SXK Entheon
SXK Haku Phenom.
I have a Hadaly clone which is good but the Shenray version is said to be the best of the Hadaly clone...I own an authentic to compare to.
I own the SXK Haku Phenom clone...great little atty...I own the authentic Haku Cruiser RDA
As far as the SXK Entheon, I'm buying one despite owning the authentic as well.
I'm sure there is more and I'll research to find the good clones to try out first hand.
I have been vaping for 7 months and wanted to try squonking. I won a gbox kit and the radar was my first rda. It was terrible, just too much air for me. Also, building a dual coil was a challenge.
I read a lot about this magical rda called the narda. The king of rdas I read, the ultimate. Prices were around $500. I live in Kenya so figured even if I got one and disliked it, I'd struggle to resell it as delivery would be an issue. And that kind of money is a lot, I can't just leave an atty that expensive I disliked lying around. So a clone was my only solution. $10 from ft and delivery to Kenya worked for me.
I like the atty but wonder today if paying $500 is justified. I respect the designer, and feel bad I bought a clone, but I can never afford the real thing.
I read a lot about this magical rda called the narda. The king of rdas I read, the ultimate. Prices were around $500. I live in Kenya so figured even if I got one and disliked it, I'd struggle to resell it as delivery would be an issue. And that kind of money is a lot, I can't just leave an atty that expensive I disliked lying around. So a clone was my only solution. $10 from ft and delivery to Kenya worked for me.
I like the atty but wonder today if paying $500 is justified. I respect the designer, and feel bad I bought a clone, but I can never afford the real thing.
I am also one who will buy a Clone of high end gear to try before forking out the cash for an authentic. All the while keeping in mind that generally Clones are sub par to the authentic. Example the Reload RDA and RTA, I first got the Clones. They where decent then bought the authentic and was blown away and now own a number of the authentic RDA's and RTA's.
As for the Narda, that kind of price $500 for an Atty, nope can't do it. I do have a couple of the Clones, they're decent but when I bought the Clones the Authentic's where going for an excess of $200+ if you could find one. I can't justify that price for a simple piece of SS ya know.
Oh I also bought a Frankenskull Clone, I hated it and the Authentic was something like $300 if you could find it. For a simple 3D printed mod, no way was it worth that amount of money.
Not sure I'd pay $500 for an RDA either...lol
I guess ones situation will play a part in decisions one have to make...Again, nothing wrong with a clone but even clones aren't created equal...look for a name next to it to possibly get the best clone... here's a few to look for with any clone over a no name version.
Shenray
SXK
Kindbright
Coppervape
Hah
Here's an $11 octopus clone that would barely fire anything..total garbage...the guts and 510 from an S rabbit clone made it's way into it somehow....$100 Haku cruiser with slam cap on a combined $21 china mod and it works great...lol.
Quick search showed a $99 price right from NarDa so maybe you need to look a little further? If you are adding shipping because of your location that is not the price.
Both the Narda and Narca are on my "clones to try" list...3F vape has a great selection of high end clones.
RDA's are pretty simple to clone reliably. I got a bad rta as well and never got another clone rta.
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It is all about expectations. I can overlook a clone fit and finish to see how it works. Most of the SXK and Shenray clones are pretty high quality and give you a good idea of what the experience will be of the authentic, it doesn't even need to be an exact idea, just get me in the realm of understanding how the authentic item vapes and from my own experiences with similar items can surmise if the authentic will be a good fit. Airflow, build deck, flavor and so on. Its more palatable to fork $13 to test than $130 to find out you hate it. Sometimes the clones are so close without checking serials against packaging I cant tell a difference.
I generally will give the clones away to friends and such who are getting into vaping, want to borrow or try something and this helps spread the joy of vaping to others without breaking me.
Clones have their place in the cosmic scheme of things. IMO.
Yeah like I said I use Clones to get a general idea of high end gear, they have their place IMO. Thing is always keep in mind that most generally Clones are substandard to the Authentic. My first dive into the Clone/Authentic battle was the Velocity. I had the Clone and waited forever and then finally was able to get the Authentic, WOW I was blown away. The quality was light years above the Clone and building on it was a joy. To this day I still have a couple of Authentic Velocity's and one of them is still in my regular rotation. The Clone I didn't even bother vaping it forward for shit started stripping, insulator shows signs of melting/degradation. All the while my Authentic I've vaped on more and harder still could pass for new.
I'm cheap. Not stupid, just cheap. Clones make fine sense. Half or less the price of an authentic? Give it a whirl if I think the design is remotely interesting.
Authentics? SO what? The Wasp Nano? Yes, sure: it's only like $10 - if they jack the price, well I already have one and can try other atty.
The $20's is about right for Authentic Atty.. Push me to the $30's and above and chances are I'll find something else. YMMV
Authentics? SO what? The Wasp Nano? Yes, sure: it's only like $10 - if they jack the price, well I already have one and can try other atty.
The $20's is about right for Authentic Atty.. Push me to the $30's and above and chances are I'll find something else. YMMV
Proof of that old saying................ You get what you pay for.
I would say more along the lines of frugal since you are not recommending $3 clones you wait months for to be delivered like some other dumbass who is trying to act like they know everything.
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Here is a clone 2JNT Alas vs. Authentic, will leave it to y'all to determine which is which. I thought the button placement on this mod was weird and my hands are all busted up and I cant really bend all of my fingers correctly on either hand, so I needed to see how comfortable this was to use.
Shelled out $14 or so for a clone, gave it a run and it works out. Bought the real deal. It would have sucked to buy it and find out I cant bend my fingers enough to use it. Frankly the clone is perfectly vapeable aside from looking like an incredibly cheap knock off.
Shelled out $14 or so for a clone, gave it a run and it works out. Bought the real deal. It would have sucked to buy it and find out I cant bend my fingers enough to use it. Frankly the clone is perfectly vapeable aside from looking like an incredibly cheap knock off.
Left is the Clone
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Left is the Clone
I will need to call 2JNT and verify. Its close.
Left is the Clone
I was going to the right............
I can spot it from just from the photo, the Clone is the one on the left