Doing well. finally dropped nic in my vape, still vaping though, just not as much.Just means one less employee needed to keep the only checkout open that had cigs.
How you doing @The Cromwell? Good to see you around.
Doing well. finally dropped nic in my vape, still vaping though, just not as much.Just means one less employee needed to keep the only checkout open that had cigs.
How you doing @The Cromwell? Good to see you around.
should ban politician's wages..Oregon wants to ban flavors:
More useless politicians with nothing better to do than mess with the lives of people like us who saved our own lives by quitting cigarettes through vaping.
and CASAA call to action on Oregon:
Oregon - Stop a Flavor Ban!
Take action to stop HB 3090 which would prohibit safer nicotine products in flavors other than tobacco!casaa.org
Recap: five states, five bans (thanks Kristin at ECF, for posting this from the CASAA blog):
Five States, Five Vaping Flavor Bans and More! THR News
5 states 5 vaping flavor bans. NY Gov wants to ban more flavors. Study finds lying deters vaping. BT asks FDA to go after disposables & more!casaa.org
it was on the news here in tasmania today that governments are losing $3billion/year as people are buying chop chop from under the counter at tobacconists and you can but 30 pack of whats called red cigs for 30cents!! they sell cigs over here for $32 for a 30 pack thats official sell price. log on to coles supermarket kings meadows tasmania and you can see fag prices, its crazy. if you smoke 30/day then it costs $210/week!! average take home wage is $600!! thats 40%tax on price for government tax!should ban politician's wages..
Heh, if u smoke 30 a day u should cut down...it was on the news here in tasmania today that governments are losing $3billion/year as people are buying chop chop from under the counter at tobacconists and you can but 30 pack of whats called red cigs for 30cents!! they sell cigs over here for $32 for a 30 pack thats official sell price. log on to coles supermarket kings meadows tasmania and you can see fag prices, its crazy. if you smoke 30/day then it costs $210/week!! average take home wage is $600!! thats 40%tax on price for government tax!
Oregon wants to ban flavors:
More useless politicians with nothing better to do than mess with the lives of people like us who saved our own lives by quitting cigarettes through vaping.
and CASAA call to action on Oregon:
Oregon - Stop a Flavor Ban!
Take action to stop HB 3090 which would prohibit safer nicotine products in flavors other than tobacco!casaa.org
Recap: five states, five bans (thanks Kristin at ECF, for posting this from the CASAA blog):
Five States, Five Vaping Flavor Bans and More! THR News
5 states 5 vaping flavor bans. NY Gov wants to ban more flavors. Study finds lying deters vaping. BT asks FDA to go after disposables & more!casaa.org
Heh, if u smoke 30 a day u should cut down...
Lol, just joshin ya, sounds expensive..a 30 pack u mean a 30 pack of smokes is 32 dollars? ouch
and $35 for 15 gramme of ryo tobaccoHeh, if u smoke 30 a day u should cut down...
Lol, just joshin ya, sounds expensive..a 30 pack u mean a 30 pack of smokes is 32 dollars? ouch
and $2 for 1 litre of petrolHeh, if u smoke 30 a day u should cut down...
Lol, just joshin ya, sounds expensive..a 30 pack u mean a 30 pack of smokes is 32 dollars? ouch
Yes true, and it's why we hoard, why we have DIY mixing threads, why we use open systems, especially those of us with vaping experience.They might ban already mixed up flavored juices.
Doubt they could ban buying the flavorings and say an unflavored juice. The flavorings might be used in baking, cooking.
Yes true, and it's why we hoard, why we have DIY mixing threads, why we use open systems, especially those of us with vaping experience.
But the way I see the market being shaped currently, new vapers will soon be down to the choice of only one thing, the closed disposable, non-refillable, plastic landfill trash with insanely high nic levels. That is why we have to remain vigilant and keep hammering on the elected monkeys. They are always eyeing vaping as that easy target, that thing they can climb on a soapbox and rant about, and get their way with legislation, while their states' real problems, while the country's real problems, continue on and on.
Amendment IX (1791) The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X (1791) The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Amendment I (1791) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
politicians prove that man came from monkeys is wrong ,monkeys could never be that stupid.Yes true, and it's why we hoard, why we have DIY mixing threads, why we use open systems, especially those of us with vaping experience.
But the way I see the market being shaped currently, new vapers will soon be down to the choice of only one thing, the closed disposable, non-refillable, plastic landfill trash with insanely high nic levels. That is why we have to remain vigilant and keep hammering on the elected monkeys. They are always eyeing vaping as that easy target, that thing they can climb on a soapbox and rant about, and get their way with legislation, while their states' real problems, while the country's real problems, continue on and on.
politicians prove that man came from monkeys is wrong ,monkeys could never be that stupid.
vaping is healthierAnother "debunk" session from CASAA, which covers these mainstream media hits on "dangerous vaping":
Nicotine is dangerous.
Vaping causes heart attacks.
E-cigarettes don't help people quit smoking.
Vaping causes popcorn lung
Vaping causes lungs to collapse
Vaping causes brain damage
Vaping causes seizures
and more
What does that mean, "vaping is pi@@ing of CASAA"?vaping is healthier
vaping is cheaper
vaping is cutting donations to government
vaping is what i like
vaping is pi@@ing of CASAA
What does that mean, "vaping is pi@@ing of CASAA"?
if i had to guess its because u know who doesnt own them.Courtesy of kristin on the other forum:
HR 901 to pressure FDA to crack down on disposable vapes:
I have mixed feelings about that one because of my extreme dislike of disposables, but something like this will pave the road to banning vaping altogether. Ban the FDA, if you ask me. Besides that, didn't the whole vape industry start with Blu, Njoy and other disposables? They didn't all contain the insanely high nic levels back then though. There were more choices of nic levels readily available.
Disposables, then and now, have defeated some who tried to stop smoking with them and ended up turning back to cigarettes, but disposables have helped others quit smoking forever. It's a mixed bag.
Anyway, beware.
I'm just getting more confused by the minute.if i had to guess its because u know who doesnt own them.
Heh, i have no idea either, i was just responding to u.I'm just getting more confused by the minute.
CASAA, Consumer Advocates for Smoke Free Alternatives, is a member supported 501c3 non-profit association that advocates for our right to access smoking harm reduction products. They've been around since 2009. They keep track of legislative efforts to defeat us. They set up and orchestrate actions we can take as a vaping class.
Nonprofit Organization for Smoke Free Alternatives - CASAA
CASAA is a consumer advocacy nonprofit organization dedicated to ensuring the availability of reduced harm alternatives to smoking.casaa.org
The video I linked is a de-bunking session, to give vapers the wherewithal to discuss the ridiculous myths non-vapers and vaping objectors raise, myths which are put out by the mainstream media, the government nannies and the ANTZ.
I have no idea what geordie's term even means, ""vaping is pi@@ing of CASAA".
i think i know what i am about, can you say the same thing? humor is easy to convey, especially face to face.depending which way they are leaning that day,I think someone doesn't comprehend what CASAA is about. Out of that ignorance, they seem to be attempting humor. Although, maybe they're just "taking a piss" themselves. Find humor is difficult to convey, even face to face, much less without any tone or mannerisms in text over wires.
my apologies, i keep thinking of fdaWhat does that mean, "vaping is pi@@ing of CASAA"?
sometimes i think they should be regulated differently as well, but thats not the endgame, meaning dont trust the gubermit, to them a vape is a vape is a vape
AbsolutelyTrue. Letting government ban disposables is just more power in their hands and out of ours. If the trashy disposables disappear from the market it should be because people don't like them, don't buy them, because we learn about open systems and find better ways to vape.
wow, just wowFrom kristin:
Lawmaker @Damon_Connolly (D-CA) has introduced a state bill that would prohibit anyone born after 2007 from ever buying non-pharmaceutical nicotine products-
Gotta wonder who's filling his campaign coffers, right?
Technically, it's already illegal in the US to sell any disposables. None have PMTA approval. The FDA is enforcing it's regulations selectively. The House bill would push FDA to give enforcement against disposables a high priority. The POTUS could do the same thing any time. Seems to me the bill is just some congresspeople earning their Big Pharma lobbying money.Letting government ban disposables is just more power in their hands
Technically, it's already illegal in the US to sell any disposables. None have PMTA approval. The FDA is enforcing it's regulations selectively. The House bill would push FDA to give enforcement against disposables a high priority. The POTUS could do the same thing any time. Seems to me the bill is just some congresspeople earning their Big Pharma lobbying money.
sometimes i think they should be regulated differently as well, but thats not the endgame, meaning dont trust the gubermit, to them a vape is a vape is a vape
Really? had no idea. dont use em. Thanks. (not sarcasm)Technically, it's already illegal in the US to sell any disposables. None have PMTA approval. The FDA is enforcing it's regulations selectively. The House bill would push FDA to give enforcement against disposables a high priority. The POTUS could do the same thing any time. Seems to me the bill is just some congresspeople earning their Big Pharma lobbying money.
Even if you did, there's a workaround. Buy the disposable from another country. Then you just risk your vape getting caught coming through customs, which, well, ... *smh and chuckling*Really? had no idea. dont use em. Thanks. (not sarcasm)
Ive seen commercials for vuse on tv.Even if you did, there's a workaround. Buy the disposable from another country. Then you just risk your vape getting caught coming through customs, which, well, ... *smh and chuckling*
Whatever, already discussed disposables more than i want to
Even if you did, there's a workaround. Buy the disposable from another country. Then you just risk your vape getting caught coming through customs, which, well, ... *smh and chuckling*
i wish i knew that when i was a smoker, lolI wonder if that's what we'll end up doing with all vape supplies eventually, whether disposable or open systems. When I still smoked, when cigarette prices started to climb into the stratosphere because of massive taxes on them, I started ordering them on the internet. There were lots of websites for that. Most of the shipments would come from eastern Europe, a few from western Europe. I didn't know if it was big tobacco orchestrating that, or if it was those "powers that be" spreading the economic impact where they wanted it. None of mine ever got stuck at Customs, though I'd read now and then online that it happened to people.
Now China supplies are drying up too, as China seems to be holding vaping in disfavor, even if you wanted to do it that way. I have preferred to support domestic sellers, so I didn't order from Fasttech or Health Cabin, though the domestic vape sellers, online and local brick & mortar, get many of their supplies wholesale from China.
I think I can reminisce just a little bit without triggering anybody, because we all love vaping, buti wish i knew that when i was a smoker, lol
Ahh, must be nice to live in a free country. wish we still did.I think I can reminisce just a little bit without triggering anybody, because we all love vaping, but
TRIGGER WARNING.
If it weren't for internet cigarettes I would never have discovered Davidoff. I read someone's review I'll never forget, who wrote "Davidoff Gold, no other cigarette like it. I would step over the corpse of my dead wife to get one".
Woof, they were good, cocoa and brandy notes, rich, mild. That was my 5-carton per order for the last year I smoked.
I am not tempted to go back though.
Ahh, must be nice to live in a free country. wish we still did.
Wont ask u where u got em, lol
I didn't know if it was big tobacco orchestrating that, or if it was those "powers that be" spreading the economic impact where they wanted it.
tasmania is a small state in australia, my friend has run a ciggie shop there for many years, a few years ago he got into vapes.juice,scales etc. after a year he opened up another shop and was thanking vapers as business was very good. fast forward to this year, his 2nd shop closed and he has cut back on the vape side as things went very quiet. one thing he told me was that a lot of his old customers now buy from students at local uni. they are half price and free delivery and you can get vg,pg ninotine mods.they even provide chop chop.I wonder if that's what we'll end up doing with all vape supplies eventually, whether disposable or open systems. When I still smoked, when cigarette prices started to climb into the stratosphere because of massive taxes on them, I started ordering them on the internet. There were lots of websites for that. Most of the shipments would come from eastern Europe, a few from western Europe. I didn't know if it was big tobacco orchestrating that, or if it was those "powers that be" spreading the economic impact where they wanted it. None of mine ever got stuck at Customs, though I'd read now and then online that it happened to people.
Now China supplies are drying up too, as China seems to be holding vaping in disfavor, even if you wanted to do it that way. I have preferred to support domestic sellers, so I didn't order from Fasttech or Health Cabin, though the domestic vape sellers, online and local brick & mortar, get many of their supplies wholesale from China.
tasmania is a small state in australia, my friend has run a ciggie shop there for many years, a few years ago he got into vapes.juice,scales etc. after a year he opened up another shop and was thanking vapers as business was very good. fast forward to this year, his 2nd shop closed and he has cut back on the vape side as things went very quiet. one thing he told me was that a lot of his old customers now buy from students at local uni. they are half price and free delivery and you can get vg,pg ninotine mods.they even provide chop chop.
10mm cost $5 30 cost $15-20 australian dollars with average take home wage being 600 bucks. a luxe2 vape was $$120.00 vaperesso swag2 $60.00There is the danger of getting adulterated liquids that way. Here in the US there have been fentanyl laced liquids discovered in those "street" sales, which is nothing less than deadly.
That's the sad thing about prohibition. We used to say, back in 2012 when all of the politicians and ANTZ started whining for vape bans, "what time does the black market open?".
In a vape shop in Tasmania, what does a 30ml bottle of liquid cost? When I'm greeting new forum members from other countries I always try to remember to ask if they can easily get supplies where they are, but then I can't remember what they all say.
oh and vg and pg $10/ litreThere is the danger of getting adulterated liquids that way. Here in the US there have been fentanyl laced liquids discovered in those "street" sales, which is nothing less than deadly.
That's the sad thing about prohibition. We used to say, back in 2012 when all of the politicians and ANTZ started whining for vape bans, "what time does the black market open?".
In a vape shop in Tasmania, what does a 30ml bottle of liquid cost? When I'm greeting new forum members from other countries I always try to remember to ask if they can easily get supplies where they are, but then I can't remember what they all say.
Hmmm, AUD20 is approx. USD14.00. For 30 ml. that's about the same as in many a brick & mortar shop here, and up to USD20.00 or more. Online prices can be much better, but IMO the online vape seller is a brick & mortar somewhere. I just try to keep it in the US, besides which, you don't want Customs snooping your package.10mm cost $5 30 cost $15-20 australian dollars with average take home wage being 600 bucks. a luxe2 vape was $$120.00 vaperesso swag2 $60.00
Hmmm, AUD20 is approx. USD14.00. For 30 ml. that's about the same as in many a brick & mortar shop here, and up to USD20.00 or more. Online prices can be much better, but IMO the online vape seller is a brick & mortar somewhere. I just try to keep it in the US, besides which, you don't want Customs snooping your package.
Interesting idea of freedom. Not what either Washington or Moses had in mind, I'm sure."If you think you live in a free country, try going to a deli and pissing on the cheese."
I did the same. Discovered some new and enjoyable brands. Never tried Davidoff Gold. Wish I had now, after your description. Eventually, the gubmint started cracking down, 3 orders never made it to me, and I gave up. I was declaring them and paying tax after the fact anyway. Oh, well: I may never have tried vaping if cigarettes were priced reasonably, so it was probably for the best.When cigarette prices started to climb into the stratosphere because of massive taxes on them, I started ordering them on the internet.
Interesting idea of freedom. Not what either Washington or Moses had in mind, I'm sure.
i wish i knew that when i was a smoker, lol