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Sorry to hear about the po po. I would be pretty upset to. I respect police in general, until given a reason not to, and I get that they need to investigate reports. With that said, it is not illegal to have a gun and you should not have one drawn on you by a police officer before he/she questions you. I don't care if they are wearing uniforms, if you pull a gun on somebody else with a gun you greatly increase the chance of someone getting shot. Police should know better.

I don't know if it is police today, or if my family was just smart police, but they point out so many seemingly stupid things done by police today.
 

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@Celtic Fog Yeah, when people take things entirely out of context, and have a mindset like George Zimmerman it does strike a nerve.
 

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must have hit a nerve if you jumped right to name calling.
I don't think that was name calling, maybe some sarcasm. @guppstatus's post doesn't even necessarily indicate that he is against guns, just that he recognizes that the complete elimination of them all together would be a good thing. A pipe dream? Yeah. Still, as per that post he could have an armory in his basement for all we know. Lol.

I take it with stride, I'm not ok with handguns, if you want a rifle or shotgun to hunt, ok. I don't waste my time or energy fighting it, though. I just see so many tragedies occur, and I wonder when it will create some sort of change. I was in class in high school about 20 miles from Columbine, we got locked down. I live about 10 miles from the movie theater that crazy fuck shot up during dark night returns. I just see these occurrences and want SOME sort of change. That's all. Yes, I would ban handguns if I had it my way, but it's not gonna happen, so oh well. I certainly have had friends who owned guns that had absolutely no business owning them. Unfortunate.

When I worked in an office preparing affidavits surrounded by a good 30 other process servers, the majority of which had concealed carry permits, it made my skin thick, and realize that it's an issue that is next to impossible to change someone's opinion on. I got picked on, but all in good humor, and I can take it. The majority of gun owners aren't committing crimes, so I just let it be. I am not comfortable with them, so that's how I choose to live. And yes, I have shot guns multiple times. Not my thing.

One of the many things I can't change in this broken system of corruption called our government, so just don't shoot me... I'm friendly. ;)
 

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Tragedies happen when the civilian population is unarmed.
It sucks that there is no true definitive answer or facts to back up either perspective, but our population has a shit ton of guns, hence we are armed, many concealed carry, and tragedies do happen and happen more frequently it seems as time passes. I'm sure it happens, but I can't recall any of these tragedies being stopped by someone with a gun. If anything, somebody, or a group of people tackle the fucker.

I have no answer as to why it is that more of this shit happens, and I don't know that anybody truly does. If everyone in that movie theater had a gun, for instance, it would've turned into a wild bloodbath shooting frenzy from more than just one fuckface. A bunch of well intentioned people would've been spraying bullets. That would've compounded the problem, especially when police arrived.

At least we are allowed to have a difference in opinion and express it politely, we have that much at least. And, if you so choose, you can have your guns, too.
 

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It sucks that there is no true definitive answer or facts to back up either perspective, but our population has a shit ton of guns, hence we are armed, many concealed carry, and tragedies do happen and happen more frequently it seems as time passes. I'm sure it happens, but I can't recall any of these tragedies being stopped by someone with a gun. If anything, somebody, or a group of people tackle the fucker.

I have no answer as to why it is that more of this shit happens, and I don't know that anybody truly does. If everyone in that movie theater had a gun, for instance, it would've turned into a wild bloodbath shooting frenzy from more than just one fuckface. A bunch of well intentioned people would've been spraying bullets. That would've compounded the problem, especially when police arrived.

At least we are allowed to have a difference in opinion and express it politely, we have that much at least. And, if you so choose, you can have your guns, too.
As a responsible gun owner, I understand that there are people like yourself who have issues with myself and others who choose to use our right to own and carry, but just some food for thought: How many mass shootings have you seen in places that allow for open or concealed carry? It always seems to happen in places that you aren't allowed to have your gun even if it is in a state that allows open/concealed carry. The types of people who do those types of shootings are looking for easy prey, so they go where they know there won't be responsible gun owners carrying.
 

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As a responsible gun owner, I understand that there are people like yourself who have issues with myself and others who choose to use our right to own and carry, but just some food for thought: How many mass shootings have you seen in places that allow for open or concealed carry? It always seems to happen in places that you aren't allowed to have your gun even if it is in a state that allows open/concealed carry. The types of people who do those types of shootings are looking for easy prey, so they go where they know there won't be responsible gun owners carrying.
I know you're not attacking me, just I want to make it clear that I have no issue with you or others, but rather that it's allowed. It is your right, constitutional right, so I might not like it, but unless you're an irresponsible dick, I doubt you are, it's nothing personal. I have issue with the lack of action, and seeming ambivalence as tragedies continue to occur.

Also, my state allows concealed carry, and a movie theater doesn't prevent it. That didn't help... Also, Arizona allows concealed carry, and Gifford was gunned down by a guy with a 30 bullet mag handgun in public. It's amazing that woman survived.

I just don't think that your logic is sound. I also won't claim to have facts or studies to back it up, so in affect it's just my opinion. Those are just two recent examples. I know we all agree ideally none of this shit would happen. No matter your stance on guns, I trust that to be the case. I'm used to being the odd man out on this one, it's cool. It's good we are able to have a respectful discussion.
 

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I don't blame it on the cop. I blame it on the irrational fear of guns that you get in places where the law abiding public has been disarmed. I bet you a dollar nobody would have looked at you twice in a place like Texas. Glad it ended well. I agree with others and would let it go. You weren't wrong for being freaked out and pissed off though.

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Back in 2009, I was at a Casino in Minnesota and I asked what are the rules of Vaping...they stated as long as I vape in the smoking sections I will be fine, WRONG! I was vaping and gambling, enjoying my time when I had this odd feeling of having lasers on my back (difficult to explain)...didn't bother me so I continued to vape. I than saw a lot of people leaving my general area, thought nothing of it till I saw a laser bounce off the machine and heard "GET ON THE FUCKING GROUND NOW MOTHER FUCKER!"...I was lit up with 12 lasers which all had SMG's attached to them plus some pistols and a taser (I still don't know who those heavily armed people truly worked for). I complied immediately and slowly laid on the ground with my hands on the back of my head, they rushed me, zip-tied my hands, and rushed me into the back of the Casino. They took my e-cig and grilled me for an hour or more about what I was exhaling into their Casino. I told them it's e-juice and the ingredients which is water vapor, they brought out the drug testing kit and tested the liquid. In the end they apologized to me, gave me 3 months of free hotel living, $2,500 Cash, and endless supply of coupons for free food at the buffet (I was homeless at the time).

I thought I was going to die, get the shit beat out of me, and or get disappeared...very scary shit but the Casino truly apologized for a rather large misunderstanding and their own paranoia. Let's just say, that was my last time vaping in a Casino...
 

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Back in 2009, I was at a Casino in Minnesota and I asked what are the rules of Vaping...they stated as long as I vape in the smoking sections I will be fine, WRONG! I was vaping and gambling, enjoying my time when I had this odd feeling of having lasers on my back (difficult to explain)...didn't bother me so I continued to vape. I than saw a lot of people leaving my general area, thought nothing of it till I saw a laser bounce off the machine and heard "GET ON THE FUCKING GROUND NOW MOTHER FUCKER!"...I was lit up with 12 lasers which all had SMG's attached to them plus some pistols and a taser (I still don't know who those heavily armed people truly worked for). I complied immediately and slowly laid on the ground with my hands on the back of my head, they rushed me, zip-tied my hands, and rushed me into the back of the Casino. They took my e-cig and grilled me for an hour or more about what I was exhaling into their Casino. I told them it's e-juice and the ingredients which is water vapor, they brought out the drug testing kit and tested the liquid. In the end they apologized to me, gave me 3 months of free hotel living, $2,500 Cash, and endless supply of coupons for free food at the buffet (I was homeless at the time).

I thought I was going to die, get the shit beat out of me, and or get disappeared...very scary shit but the Casino truly apologized for a rather large misunderstanding and their own paranoia. Let's just say, that was my last time vaping in a Casino...
Alls well that ends well, I guess, but damn. Sorry you had to go through that, but at least you got the hook up... If it was 09' they might not have been as familiar with e cigs, but e cigs is pretty much all there were, so it's doubtful your device looked much different than a cigarette, right? Were you vaping an old cig a like, njoy or something?
 

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Alls well that ends well, I guess, but damn. Sorry you had to go through that, but at least you got the hook up... If it was 09' they might not have been as familiar with e cigs, but e cigs is pretty much all there were, so it's doubtful your device looked much different than a cigarette, right? Were you vaping an old cig a like, njoy or something?

I was vaping with an eGo battery and a regular 510 drpping atty (bridged), e-cigs back than were only known by online communities or a friend of a friend...the security guard/staff stated I was the first person to ever vape in the casino, lol. They thought it was some sort of chemical and or device that would allow me to win big...pretty much did but got scared straight doing so even though I asked permission due to the fact that vaping was truly underground back than.
 

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Sucks to be in that situation but it was atleast a positive thing to check out by the metro security.
I will add this, everyone seems to always but heads when it comes to fire arms. It amazing to me how broad the spectrum of opionon/thought is regarding such a topic. I for one have multiple reasons to lean in favor of carry and one includes a firearm used by my father to save my life when I was young, promised I would never be put in that situation again without having control of my fate in some sense. I think there are many studies that show how much positive they do and some show negative, all a matter of what you feel or perceive is right or wrong.
I will say I carry amd so does my wife and almost every female on her side of family after years of being around me, even her mom carries and she work with 4h federal programs lol.
I find myself thinking of this- those who dont believe or want firearms have most likely never been in a situation where it was needed and not had, when that happens or if it ever does certain things typically happen- either they call someone that has a gun to protect and serve (police), the are put in a situation where a firearm would have possibly prevented or deterred the situation, mental damage from the situation or worse injury/death. At which point most will either learn to protect self and understand situational awareness, buy something to protect themselves with (gun/mace/Tazer) or blame guns and be just as susceptible future situations.
All of this is opinion and we will all have a different view point, I refuse to be susceptible to harm because I cant/refuse to protect myself. Because of ease of media and population growth it is only fitting that we see more violence with or without firearms, I tend to be one the side of chance favors the prepared and rather be judge by 12 then carried by 6. Hell evem my wife can rack off a wall if need be and for that I am thankful. Just know that the odds of a person that owns a firearm legally doing something with said firearm that is not safe/justified is much lower because of the typical training required and the better judgement normally associated with owning a firearm. Again its all just my opinion.
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I may not agree with your saying/thoughts, but I will fight and die for your right to those! Vape on everyone!
 

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Suggestion to the OP

IF/When a LEO [Law Enforcement Officer] ever points his pistol at you...do what he says, make sure they can see your hands, and don't do any fast jerky motions.

Glad it all worked out in the end..stay safe!

P.S. I carry Mrs. Marlboro...she is an older lady, well refined, kinda worn and frayed around the edges, she is a true lady, but piss her off and she will sling ashtrays at ya ;)

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I find I am MUCH more cordial with everyone when I carry...I HOPE I never ever ever ever ever have to use her...but if I do...I want to make darn sure the person that wants to hurt me or my loved one STOPS trying to hurt me or my loved one
 

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I know about your guns, but what about knifes? Is it legal to carry them concealed or otherwise?
And i wonder how strict are the gun rules in other countries mainly Europe.
 

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I think it's three inch single edge blade is legal in nj to carry might be 4 inch I know for a fact double edge are illegal to carry found out as a kid
 

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I carry vape stuff and self defense stuff. Very cautious not to "print" my defensive weapons so as to not advertise my equipment. Sometime I may "print" my vape stuff. I am happy to see her and yes,,, it is my mod!
 

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Only if you start swinging it at homeless strung out junkies who you mistake for zombies

Really though, this Khukuri is a beast...pictures don't do it justice! I'd shit myself if someone unsheathed it on me!

 

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i just can't wrap my head around the philosophy that "the more guns the better". it's like saying the more nukes there are, the safer the world is......which i guess in a warped sort of way is true. it just does not compute for me tho.
 

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i just can't wrap my head around the philosophy that "the more guns the better". it's like saying the more nukes there are, the safer the world is......which i guess in a warped sort of way is true. it just does not compute for me tho.
Sane here, but I'm a pacifist.


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i just can't wrap my head around the philosophy that "the more guns the better". it's like saying the more nukes there are, the safer the world is......which i guess in a warped sort of way is true. it just does not compute for me tho.
Ridiculous analogy. That's not even apples and oranges, more like apples and basketballs. If the news reported all the instances of firearms being used for self defense, they wouldn't have time to report anything else. You never hear about the 100 pound female that stopped her 200 pound male attacker because she was in possession of a tool that allowed her to defend herself. Anyone who thinks only military and law enforcement should be allowed to possess firearms doesn't know history. The only reason you disarm a population is to control it. Having a small group of people that are armed controlling a massive number of unarmed citizens is only beneficial for the ones in charge. It absolutely amazes me that in 2014 in the US of all places people still don't understand that being responsible for your own life and having the means to protect your own life is absolutely essential for the preservation of freedom. It's one of the oldest lessons humans have ever learned.
 

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Ridiculous analogy. That's not even apples and oranges, more like apples and basketballs. If the news reported all the instances of firearms being used for self defense, they wouldn't have time to report anything else. You never hear about the 100 pound female that stopped her 200 pound male attacker because she was in possession of a tool that allowed her to defend herself. Anyone who thinks only military and law enforcement should be allowed to possess firearms doesn't know history. The only reason you disarm a population is to control it. Having a small group of people that are armed controlling a massive number of unarmed citizens is only beneficial for the ones in charge. It absolutely amazes me that in 2014 in the US of all places people still don't understand that being responsible for your own life and having the means to protect your own life is absolutely essential for the preservation of freedom. It's one of the oldest lessons humans have ever learned.
How is it that because on situation begets the other, that her analogy is ridiculous? A permissive culture In regards to armed violence feeds the beast by justifying that might makes right. This only serves the gun bunny culture that clings to firearms as a misguided means of self validation. The reason why you need a firearm to protect yourself is because that very same "need" which is justified by an antiquated "right" is what pits firearms in the hands of the crims to begin with. I am British of course, and we have MUCH less firearm related violence for the very reason I just described.


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Ridiculous analogy. That's not even apples and oranges, more like apples and basketballs. If the news reported all the instances of firearms being used for self defense, they wouldn't have time to report anything else. You never hear about the 100 pound female that stopped her 200 pound male attacker because she was in possession of a tool that allowed her to defend herself. Anyone who thinks only military and law enforcement should be allowed to possess firearms doesn't know history. The only reason you disarm a population is to control it. Having a small group of people that are armed controlling a massive number of unarmed citizens is only beneficial for the ones in charge. It absolutely amazes me that in 2014 in the US of all places people still don't understand that being responsible for your own life and having the means to protect your own life is absolutely essential for the preservation of freedom. It's one of the oldest lessons humans have ever learned.

call me ridiculous, but i think a society where everyone wears a firearm is ridiculous. we have lost our civility, if in fact we ever had any. we will never agree on this issue, so badmouth me all you want. you cannot back up your "self-defense" statistics, they don't exist because supposedly they "aren't reported". there are, however, statistics to back up the fact that guns are used to kill thousands of innocent people, many of them women and children. i am out of this convo now, because gun people have blinders on when it comes to their love of guns.
 

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guns make people civil....and for your information, militaries kill more people with guns that any other group in the history of the world.
 

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A permissive culture in regards to armed violence is one in which the law abiding are disarmed. Laws only apply to those who follow them. A person who breaks the law that says murder is illegal is going to follow the law saying they can't have a gun? Sure. Your logic is flawed.
 

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call me ridiculous, but i think a society where everyone wears a firearm is ridiculous. we have lost our civility, if in fact we ever had any. we will never agree on this issue, so badmouth me all you want. you cannot back up your "self-defense" statistics, they don't exist because supposedly they "aren't reported". there are, however, statistics to back up the fact that guns are used to kill thousands of innocent people, many of them women and children. i am out of this convo now, because gun people have blinders on when it comes to their love of guns.

Yup lol.. that's probably a good idea to back out now..
 

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i'm in no mood to argue with your gun loving attitudes. but just let me say that someone held a gun to my head and made me suck his dick. so forgive me if i don't embrace your love of the phallic gun. peace out.

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i'm in no mood to argue with your gun loving attitudes. but just let me say that someone held a gun to my head and made me suck his dick. so forgive me if i don't embrace your love of the phallic gun. peace out.
You said you didn't want to argue. So don't argue.
 

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it doesn't work that way though hun. Your one experience doesn't trump our rights....and as far as having ones back...I would rip the head off of the man who hurt you. With my bare hands. I do have your back, always will.
 

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The statistics do exist. Criminologist Gary Kleck for one. Look at his research. And I only said your analogy was rediculous. You can have whatever opinion you want, but when you compare a firearm to a nuclear weapon I'm going to express my opinion about your statement. This has obviously become an argument instead of a discussion. I may have contributed to that. Maybe not. Either way, I'm disengaging. If any of us meet in other parts of the forum, I hope we can leave this stuff in this thread. Good day.
 

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Cutting down the nuclear arsenal in non relevant.
Every country that has them will keep a few and even a few are enough to destroy the climate balance of entire world.

Besides, there is no correlation between country aggression using nukes and individual aggression using guns.
 

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How is it that because on situation begets the other, that her analogy is ridiculous? A permissive culture In regards to armed violence feeds the beast by justifying that might makes right. This only serves the gun bunny culture that clings to firearms as a misguided means of self validation. The reason why you need a firearm to protect yourself is because that very same "need" which is justified by an antiquated "right" is what pits firearms in the hands of the crims to begin with. I am British of course, and we have MUCH less firearm related violence for the very reason I just described.


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The "right" to defend oneself is never antiquated and although the Brits have subverted the right of the individuals to defend themselves, the government retains that right and remains a nuclear state. As high and mighty as Brits proclaim themselves on the gun issue, I don't see them getting rid of their nukes or military arms.

I agree, the analogy is a good one. It gives rise to the question, why is the Nation allowed to defend itself with tools that make it able to do so, but the individual is not? The only answer that I can see is that the individual is seen as something lesser. Well, I don't consider myself as "lesser" and will continue to retain the right to protect myself using the tools at my disposal.

You can choose not to, being a pacifist and all. That would be your individual choice. I would appreciate it if you didn't consider me something lesser than a human with the right to defend myself if I so choose.
 

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If one desires to be respected, and his or her rights and choices to be respected, one must be willing to respect the rights and choices of the others. In America, our rights are not up for debate, they are our rights.

The Bill of Rights – Full Text
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

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In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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Those that truly know us, know that feel we are everything BUT high and mighty. We are actually quite self-deprecating. I am not anti-gun. But as long as people own handguns and advertise the fact, motivated crims will get them. Most guns used in crimes were stolen from the same people that proclaim their right to possess one themselves. Again, this echoes the fact that whilst Americans have rights, many fail to equate rights with responsibilities in regards to justice. I have found that most gun bunnies have never had the trauma of taking a life....and I truly hope they never will.


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Those that truly know us, know that feel we are everything BUT high and mighty. We are actually quite self-deprecating. I am not anti-gun. But as long as people own handguns and advertise the fact, motivated crims will get them. Most guns used in crimes were stolen from the same people that proclaim their right to possess one themselves. Again, this echoes the fact that whilst Americans have rights, many fail to equate rights with responsibilities in regards to justice. I have found that most gun bunnies have never had the trauma of taking a life....and I truly hope they never will.


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There are more law abiding citizens then there are criminals. You want to talk trauma, Ill tell you stories that will make you sick to your stomach, things that I have lived through, thanks to guns.....You are judging people, and that is reserved for your god, is it not?
 

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There are more law abiding citizens then there are criminals. You want to talk trauma, Ill tell you stories that will make you sick to your stomach, things that I have lived through, thanks to guns.....You are judging people, and that is reserved for your god, is it not?
I will never judge people, but I will in fact judge what they do.....such is commanded by "my God". I have no clue about what you or anyone else has gone through, my combat experiences are personal and I am happy to have survived them, and even happier that you made it through yours! It is not my desire to measure cocks if you all do not mind, I've outgrown that.


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