that stuff is in granular form most times. when embedded in materials it is basically an air filter and is no more hazardousThis stuff is designed for aquarium water filtration, NOT vaping. I've seen this stuff on the shelf at a tropical fish store in the past. Activated carbon is used routinely to purify the water in fishy tanks either embedded in the filter media like it is with this Black Cotton, or used by itself in a separate canister filtration system.
that stuff is in granular form most times. when embedded in materials it is basically an air filter and is no more hazardous
than any other air filter.
Like the original poster said, carbon is dangerous,but Blackmagic made by bamboo charcoal fiber, not carbon.
Bamboo charcoal fiber is very safe and healthy
What causes pneumoconiosis is the carbon, and it has no relation with bamboo charcoal fiber.
I would also think that the vaporization process esp at higher wattages tends to blow stuff out of the wick. It sure does blow out juice.Who is heating and inhaling a liquid off of air filters?
There are plenty of things that air can pass through safely that can not be heated to 500 degrees and inhaled.
Your kidding right?I'm trying to figger out what Hot Pockets have to do with dangerous black cotton.
Andria
Your kidding right?
Did you read my post?
And your right Hot Pockets has nothing to do with dangerous black cotton.
If the nano particles of charcoal are embedded into the polymer to make the thread that makes the cotton(rayon product)Who is heating and inhaling a liquid off of air filters?
There are plenty of things that air can pass through safely that can not be heated to 500 degrees and inhaled.
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@Darkcotton agreed that carbon is dangerous, even posting, "What causes pneumoconiosis is the carbon".In order to succeed with a Libel action, the first think you have to do is to prove that the statement you're suing over is false.
Good luck with that.
If the nano particles of charcoal are embedded into the polymer to make the thread that makes the cotton(rayon product)
explain please the problem. Tell me how your heating your wick to 500 degrees. Your coil might get
to 500 degrees but if anything else is your doing it wrong.
Hot pockets is what you gets if you put your 18650 in yer pocket with keys and change.Your kidding right?
Did you read my post?
And your right Hot Pockets has nothing to do with dangerous black cotton.
Was it actually developed for vaping or is vaping just a misuse of it?@Darkcotton agreed that carbon is dangerous, even posting, "What causes pneumoconiosis is the carbon".
According to Google, the darkcotton.com website said, "BLACK MAGIC is developed by dark cotton team from Florida State University, made by black activated carbon." So, where's the libel? By their own admission it has activated carbon in it.
Was it actually developed for vaping or is vaping just a misuse of it?
Ohh yes it can be very handy in the GI tract, but not the lungs.Interesting article. https://www.quantumbalancing.com/activatedcharcoal.htm
I bet. I'm not seeing the benefit on this product. Is it supposed to be more absorbent?Ohh yes it can be very handy in the GI tract, but not the lungs.
That is my question as well?I bet. I'm not seeing the benefit on this product. Is it supposed to be more absorbent?
I bet. I'm not seeing the benefit on this product. Is it supposed to be more absorbent?
So what? It's not the temperature of the coil that counts. Increased heat produces increased vaporization. The temperature of the vapor neverwhen using tc my mod throttles back when I'm taking a vape with it set to 500 degrees.
this means the coil is reaching that temp and wants to reach an even higher temp.
most tc mods have settings from 400 to 600 degrees which leads me to believe that vaporization happens between these temps.
So what? It's not the temperature of the coil that counts. Increased heat produces increased vaporization. The temperature of the vapor never
approaches the temperature of the coil. Not by a long shot.The vapor is released into the flow of air and away from the coil at much lower
temperatures indicated by your device. I seriously doubt vapor in a properly wicked and saturated coil gets as hot as 250 degrees F off the
atty. Your vapor doesn't get anywhere near 500 degrees. If it did you wouldn't be talking for all the obvious reasons. The residual water in the mix atomizes the base at slightly below and above boiling.(212 degrees F) This atomizes the mix into a vapor. The main ingredient in PG and VG is water bonded with
propylene oxide in the former and fat in the later.The percentage of non-PG/VG in an unopened bottle is 99.999999% pure water. PG and VG are hygroscopic. This means they both absorb water relative to the humidity in the air. The average yearly humidity in the USA is 30%. At between
60 to 80 degrees F your juice will have between 8.xx and 9.xx% pure water by absorption.(over 8% less than 10%)
So what? It's not the temperature of the coil that counts. Increased heat produces increased vaporization. The temperature of the vapor never
approaches the temperature of the coil. Not by a long shot.The vapor is released into the flow of air and away from the coil at much lower
temperatures indicated by your device. I seriously doubt vapor in a properly wicked and saturated coil gets as hot as 250 degrees F off the
atty. Your vapor doesn't get anywhere near 500 degrees. If it did you wouldn't be talking for all the obvious reasons. The residual water in the mix atomizes the base at slightly below and above boiling.(212 degrees F) This atomizes the mix into a vapor. The main ingredient in PG and VG is water bonded with
propylene oxide in the former and fat in the later.The percentage of non-PG/VG in an unopened bottle is 99.999999% pure water. PG and VG are hygroscopic. This means they both absorb water relative to the humidity in the air. The average yearly humidity in the USA is 30%. At between
60 to 80 degrees F your juice will have between 8.xx and 9.xx% pure water by absorption.(over 8% less than 10%)
Rayon is used quite often and quite regularly by many people. So is cotton or silicon.so in your estimation how hot does the layer of activated carbon rayon that is snug against the coils get?
we weren't talking about how hot the juice gets.
for years we have been searching for the cleanest purest cotton to use as wicks but now all of a sudden you think this dirty black shit is the way we should go?
do you have stock in this company or something?
If your worried about dry hits you shouldn't be vaping.Sooner or later we all get one.One more thing: Ever get a burnt hit?
Me too, they don't happen often but they do happen.
Do you think this black shit is:
A) Safer
B) Equal
C) Worse
In a burnt hit scenario?
I can understand if one chooses not to use a product. That's fine. However if one is
going to call out a product as being dangerous one should know what they are talking
about. What is the product? How is it made? How is it used? Does all the activated
charcoal magically detach itself from the polymer its mixed in and all get deposited
in your lungs?
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This is a novel application. Arguing that activated carbon is proven useful and safe in other completely different applications, and therefore must also be in this one is a nonargument. It's an inductive inference based on untested premises being stated as a certainty.that stuff [activated carbon] is in granular form most times. when embedded in materials it is basically an air filter and is no more hazardous than any other air filter.
I get playing devil's advocate, but foisting onus probandi onto the consumer to substantiate Dark Cotton's claim of product safety is going way too far. People here have done their due diligence; they've raised questions and substantiated the reasons for their concerns. If the user "Darkcotton" represents the company, then all we've gotten in response is some ragman roll about university research, bullshit redefinitions of carbon, and legal threats.Rayon is used quite often and quite regularly by many people. So is cotton or silicon.
Properly wicked I am not aware of any issues with any of these.
By the way I am not suggesting anyone use it. I am just suggesting before redditing a product do a little due diligence.
Yep. Does it? How much is enough to worry about is a value judgement to be made by the consumer and we have no data to judge by.Activated charcoal much like asbestos,silicon,titanium dioxide and, cotton dust are not harmful in and of themselves. It depends on what form they are used in, if they can get into your lungs and, is there enough to worry about if it does.
All good questions for Dark Cotton to answer. If we're supposed to do their research for them, then they bloody well need to pay for it.I can understand if one chooses not to use a product. That's fine. However if one is
going to call out a product as being dangerous one should know what they are talking about. What is the product? How is it made? How is it used? Does all the activated charcoal magically detach itself from the polymer its mixed in and all get deposited in your lungs?
Your scenario is faulty.One more thing: Ever get a burnt hit?
Me too, they don't happen often but they do happen.
Do you think this black shit is:
A) Safer
B) Equal
C) Worse
In a burnt hit scenario?
Wouldn't it be great if we all stop acting like uneducated Luddite hypochondriac's?Wouldn't it be great if the company that is selling this shit answered these questions?
So far the only thing they have done is put this shit in a box and tell people to use it as a wicking material.
I would imagine that more information is needed.
I asked for more info and they haven't said shit back and this thread has been here for 4 days now.
They know about this thread so I would think that they have no fucking clue what they are selling and they have even less of a clue if it is safe.
Your assumption my argument is invalid is a illogical. The very fact that carbon is used safely in filteringThis is a novel application. Arguing that activated carbon is proven useful and safe in other completely different applications, and therefore must also be in this one is a nonargument. It's an inductive inference based on untested premises being stated as a certainty.
I get playing devil's advocate, but foisting onus probandi onto the consumer to substantiate Dark Cotton's claim of product safety is going way too far. People here have done their due diligence; they've raised questions and substantiated the reasons for their concerns. If the user "Darkcotton" represents the company, then all we've gotten in response is some ragman roll about university research, bullshit redefinitions of carbon, and legal threats.
The threats made me chuckle a little, so I guess that part was kinda good.
Yep. Does it? How much is enough to worry about is a value judgement to be made by the consumer and we have no data to judge by.
All good questions for Dark Cotton to answer. If we're supposed to do their research for them, then they bloody well need to pay for it.
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Awesome first post and Welcome to Vaping Underground!You're a cancer of the industry. The fact that you want to "silence" this thread instead of bringing facts to disprove. You are what is literally killing the industry with your products. Chinese business only care about money, not health. I wish you the worst business ever bc you guys deserve nothing.
i joined this forum just to say this.
you just counteracted yourself. bamnoo charcoal fiber is a actual BAMBOO PLANT that is exposed to high temperature. What your selling is a sliver rayon its 100% mechanically made and created into the sliver form. Also charcoal is nearly consisting of only carbon. Read up before trying to launch a product to a industry thats barely hanging by a thread.bamboo charcoal fiber is rayon
Asbestos incorporated into fire retardant materials
is harmless.
Wouldn't it be great if we all stop acting like uneducated Luddite hypochondriac's?
I for one do not assume that it would be bad in the first place. I do not believe
vendors are out to kill us.
What makes you think just because someone googles up a medical treatment using micro particles of carbon that are pumpedIf some asshole was taking asbestos fire retardant cloths and putting them in a plastic tupperware container and calling it "FireWick - The only fire proof wicking material" do you think we should just let them slide unchecked with no proof that it won't kill us?
Just let them sell it?
Since "Darkcotton" has had long enough to post their scientific data that this shit won't kill you I'd be willing to bet there is no data.
There is just some asshole that figured it would work and since vapers are stupid that they would buy it to match their black mod and atty.
You seem the be the only one on here or reddit that thinks this shit is a good idea too and it seems that the only way your mind would be changed is if someone vapes this shit and dies from it.
Since i'm praying there is nobody that stupid and you will never put your money where your mouth is and start vaping it then i'm afraid no matter what you post from this day forward it is not going to be of any use to anyone but yourself.
If you haven't gotten anyone on your side yet then you won't.
Or do you want to buy that shit and start vaping it for a few months to prove it's A+ Gold seal of approval to the vaping community?
When customers start asking sensible questions may be they will answer.Then how come they haven't answered anyones health questions in this thread?
The only thing they said in a whole month was "I sue you" which was an empty threat
I don't believe that this vendor was trying to kill anybody but I do believe they wren't smart enough to think it through fully before deciding to sell it.
I also do not believe that pharmaceutical companies are out to kill anyone either when they flood the market with the newest wonder drug.
But it still happens all the time as you can tell by watching any hour of television and you see the commercial with some ambulance chaser saying "If you or a loved one has gotten ill or died from (Enter half dozen drug names here) then you may be entitled to a cash settlement"
Intent to do harm isn't what this thread is about but you knew that already.
This vendor was planning on selling about 5000 units of this shit and then he/she was going to vanish forever money in hand but we didn't fall for it.
I wonder why their legal team hasn't swooped down and forced this thread closed?
I wonder how come they aren't selling this shit anywhere on the internet since that was obviously their intent from the start?
Because they figured out one of two things or both:
a) No one wants this shit and now they are off to the next new big thing that may or may not kill it's intended user.
b) They did a little research and figured out maybe this shit isn't safe to be taking lung punches off of all day every day so they gave up before starting the process of fucking somebody up and getting sued.
@Darkcotton Can you help us out? Which one is it?
The product is what it is. Use it or do not use it.
What makes you think just because someone googles up a medical treatment using micro particles of carbon that are pumped
into the stomach to absorb poisons that will cause lung problems if regurgitated into the lungs that it has anything
what soever to do with the product in question? Micro particles, fibers woven into cotton, 2 different things. Not similar.
Dissimilar applications and form do not equal the same risk profile. We are not talking about coal dust. There is no dust
in the product.
If you really want to help the vaping "community",write your congressman.
Quit trashing products with out proof of harm.