Exotic coils in rta

[CDroverNL]

I've been building coils now for a year but I haven't done anything more fancy than fused claptons. I only use rtas for the most part, very rarely do I drip anymore because I find it just to much of a hassle. My question today is, is there any benefit from running anything more exotic than a fused clapton, like framed staples, staggered fused claptons, staple staggered fused claptons etc, in an rta? I know they are all supposed to give better flavor, but I think when people say this try are referring to RDAs because the act of dripping actually saturates the coil with juice, letting it into all those little crevices. With an RTA, I feel the juice can't really soak into the coil because if wicked right the cotton stops soaking up juice when saturated. I want to make fancy coils but I don't want to waste my time if I'm not going to get a major improvement. Time is a very precious commodity for me.

 

[r055co]

Best advice I have is ping @raymo2u and get a variety of his coils and try them out.

 

[nightshard]

Since unlike an RDA, an RTA has a smaller deck since the deck is surrounded by a tank, you have more limited space.
The bigger exotic coils won't fit in most RTAs, will require higher wattage and may produce too much heat for the size of the chamber.
A postless deck can help solve this problem to some degree.

You may fit small aliens or staggered fused.
If you want to try something new, not really exotic but quite effective and easy to build you can try twisted claptons, meaning using single core claptons or nano claptons as strands and twisting them together.

 

[CDroverNL]

If I was going to try them, I'd rather build them myself. I know ray does amazing work and his would be way better than mine and I wouldn't have to spend the time but I like the accomplishment.

 

[CDroverNL]

Since unlike an RDA, an RTA has a smaller deck since the deck is surrounded by a tank, you have more limited space.
The bigger exotic coils won't fit in most RTAs, will require higher wattage and may produce too much heat for the size of the chamber.
A postless deck can help solve this problem to some degree.

I never looked at it like that either. I just had 26/38 n80 fused claptons staged with 24g kanthal in the griffin 25 mini, reading at 0.10 on the G2. I had to take the kanthal out because it was way too hot, leaving the fused claptons spaced and reading 0.18 now it's way better.

 

[r055co]

If I was going to try them, I'd rather build them myself. I know ray does amazing work and his would be way better than mine and I wouldn't have to spend the time but I like the accomplishment.

I would do that to see if it is worth the extra time and effort. I've got some of his coils just for that reason, they are outstanding. The flavor yes is an improvement but not like the drastic jump to fused claptons. I'm going to eventually give it a shot, at least for Aliens just for the sake of doing something more challenging.

 

[CDroverNL]

You may fit small aliens or staggered fused.
If you want to try something new, not really exotic but quite effective and easy to build you can try twisted claptons, meaning using single core claptons or nano claptons as strands and twisting them together.

Aliens still scare the shit out of me, trying to rewrap that spaced clapton wire seems like it would be quite difficult. Keeping the clapton wire straight for now is my best bet...lol
I have seen those twisted claptons tho and have to admit that I kinda forgot about them. I'll have to give them a try

 

[nightshard]

Here is a twisted 3 strand 26/36 4ID, fkn huge and meant for an RDA, but just to see how it looks.

Got a few 2 strand 24/36 made too, I don't use 28 much anynore.

 

[CDroverNL]

I would do that to see if it is worth the extra time and effort. I've got some of his coils just for that reason, they are outstanding. The flavor yes is an improvement but not like the drastic jump to fused claptons. I'm going to eventually give it a shot, at least for Aliens just for the sake of doing something more challenging.

Ohhhh, I understand what you mean now. That's not a bad idea. Aliens are a fair ways off for me yet. One day but not yet...lol

 

[CDroverNL]

Here is a twisted 3 strand 26/36 4ID, fkn huge and meant for an RDA, but just to see how it looks.

Got a few 2 strand 24/36 made too, I don't use 28 much anynore.

Nice! So, you don't twist them as tight as regular twisted wire. I'll watch a video before I attempt.
Have you tried making fused claptons with twisted and helixed cores? I've been rolling that idea around in my head but think I read somewhere that it doesn't really help

 

[r055co]

Ohhhh, I understand what you mean now. That's not a bad idea. Aliens are a fair ways off for me yet. One day but not yet...lol

Yeah his coils are amazing, he is a true master and artist. They also last a long ass time, I'm still running his Mohawk Aliens in my Velocity and his Staggered Fused Claptons in my Lycan. I've been using them for months, excellent, excellent flavor. It really gives you an idea of what to work towards. But to be honest I'm perfectly satisfied with my basic SS Fused Claptons. As I mentioned though I eventually will be moving up to them just because I'm sure I'm going to get board and want something more challenging.

 

[Whiskeywarrior]

Aliens are great and easy to make in lots of size ranges. In reality most of the bigger badder coils are just porn. Mohawks don't give any better flavor than an alien but man they look cool. Of all the builds I have made I prefer simple 7 wrap 28/38 ss aliens for my day to day vaping. That said I haven't made many of the crazy wide staggertons. They tend to piss me off.

 

[nightshard]

I don't really like twisted cores, if I'm using fused I'd rather have them flat and not round.
As for twisted Claptons, twisting them too much may ruin the wrap and besides keeping them more airy means they can absorb more juice and have more surface area (since the cotton inside the coil expends to them).
At the end of the day some coils are art while others may be more practical, easier to make and just as effective.

 

[CDroverNL]

Aliens are great and easy to make in lots of size ranges. In reality most of the bigger badder coils are just porn. Mohawks don't give any better flavor than an alien but man they look cool. Of all the builds I have made I prefer simple 7 wrap 28/38 ss aliens for my day to day vaping. That said I haven't made many of the crazy wide staggertons. They tend to piss me off.

I have some free time here now today. Ye have me thinking that I want to try aliens. There's no one home so if I start yelling and cursing and screaming it won't be a big deal! Hahahah

Another question, should n80 be run at lower wattages than kanthal? I just recently started using it and it seems that it tends to get hot at 4.2V compared to kanthal at 4.2V

 

[nightshard]

Nichrome has lower resistance then kanthal so yes it heats up faster and require less wattage, not by much though.

 

[CDroverNL]

Thanks for all the help thus far, from everyone. I think I'll stick to fused claptons in my rtas, until I figure out aliens, wich I may try today. Unless @raymo2u or @CrazyChef has some different input other than what you fine folks have already put into the effect different coils have in rtas for flavor.

When I try them, I'll post up some pictures of my attempts.

 

[SirRichardRear]

Here is a twisted 3 strand 26/36 4ID, fkn huge and meant for an RDA, but just to see how it looks.

Got a few 2 strand 24/36 made too, I don't use 28 much anynore.

Nice build. I live how the pharaoh can handle such huge coils. It's awesome for mechs too.

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[MrScaryZ]

put some huge juggernauts in it that would be cute!!

 

[SirRichardRear]

Since unlike an RDA, an RTA has a smaller deck since the deck is surrounded by a tank, you have more limited space.
The bigger exotic coils won't fit in most RTAs, will require higher wattage and may produce too much heat for the size of the chamber.
A postless deck can help solve this problem to some degree.

You may fit small aliens or staggered fused.
If you want to try something new, not really exotic but quite effective and easy to build you can try twisted claptons, meaning using single core claptons or nano claptons as strands and twisting them together.

That's true but u can fit some beefy coils in the right rta

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[nightshard]

That's true but u can fit some beefy coils in the right rta

The right RTA with a postless deck.

 

[SirRichardRear]

The right RTA with a postless deck.

Yeah postless deck makes a big difference

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[fartbubble]

if you want to build your own, can't give the Daedalus enough credit. Full kit run you $40-50 from a slow boat or $65 from Misthub. Or just get the jig for $10. Makes claptons and what not super easy

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

cotton stops soaking up juice when saturated

Isn't that the definition of saturated?

 

[CDroverNL]

Isn't that the definition of saturated?

The point I was trying to make, that everyone else in here who had some sort of information to share has understood, was that the juice wouldn't be able to get into the little crevices of some of the more fancy coils because the cotton doesn't actually supply enough liquid to the coil for that to happen. Therefore the only juice getting vaporized is what is in contact between the cotton and the claptoning, juice inside the coil like with dripping.

Better explanation for those people that feel the need to pick out something so stupid to point out.

 

[CDroverNL]

if you want to build your own, can't give the Daedalus enough credit. Full kit run you $40-50 from a slow boat or $65 from Misthub. Or just get the jig for $10. Makes claptons and what not super easy

I've seen that rig floating around. One of my local ships actually has one in stock. Fairly pricy up this was though to buy locally.
Those cheap jigs, I've been looking around for one but couldn't find any.

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

The point I was trying to make, that everyone else in here who had some sort of information to share has understood, was that the juice wouldn't be able to get into the little crevices of some of the more fancy coils because the cotton doesn't actually supply enough liquid to the coil for that to happen. Therefore the only juice getting vaporized is what is in contact between the cotton and the claptoning, juice inside the coil like with dripping.

Better explanation for those people that feel the need to pick out something so stupid to point out.

So why are you asking the question when you know the answer already?

 

[CDroverNL]

So why are you asking the question when you know the answer already?

I'm asking because in theory it shouldn't make a difference. In the real world, theory don't mean shit. I was asking what, if any of the more complicated coils actually make a difference in an rta because I haven't tried any of them past a fused clapton. Is that ok with you?

 

[fartbubble]

I've seen that rig floating around. One of my local ships actually has one in stock. Fairly pricy up this was though to buy locally.
Those cheap jigs, I've been looking around for one but couldn't find any.

if you don't mind the slow boat, 3F has it down to $38.09.
http://www.3fvape.com/vape-tools/12...?search_query=daedalus&results=2#.WLHtlX-jgyc

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

I'm asking because in theory it shouldn't make a difference. In the real world, theory don't mean shit. I was asking what, if any of the more complicated coils actually make a difference in an rta because I haven't tried any of them past a fused clapton. Is that ok with you?

I'm not the aggressive one calling people names for asking questions

 

[CDroverNL]

I never called anyone names.

 

[Chainvapor]

Just ordered the Daedalus. Cannot wait to make some killer fused clapton coils for my Aromamizer Plus 30mm RDTA!

CV

 

[Everpresentnewb]

Yeah postless deck makes a big difference

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Todays build in my 30mm Aromamizer... 5mm dual fused 26g/34g fused with 36G nichrome coils baby!




Not a fancy coil, but about as fancy as I go...

 

[CDroverNL]

They're huge! lol
Is it 2 separate claptons made with 26g claptoned with 36g and then those two are fused with the 36g?

 

[Everpresentnewb]

yes. think parallel coils.. I made two lengths of clapton, then fused it with 36g Ni.

 

[CDroverNL]

Kool. That's what I thought but wasn't 100%

 

[raymo2u]

I would suggest Parallels, Fused Claptons, Cat Tracks, or Aliens for RTA's
Try 2 x 26N80/40N80 or all in SS....that'll be a great vape and its easily made.


Im a big fan of the newer Augvape RTA's, IMO they are the best Tanks out right now.
I tend to like a bit more warmth when I build....something that takes up more of the chamber and can give that heat....like these Staggertons in the Merlin RDTA.by Augvape.

Aliens with Staged Heated in the Merlin RDTA Beta Version:

or Cat Tracks in the Merlin RTA:

 

[Everpresentnewb]

Showoff...

Im kidding. Always love seeing your builds. Freaking art man.

 

[CDroverNL]

I haven't really heard of cat tracks.
I have a merlin mini but I'm not really getting a good flavor out of it compared to the griffin mini. The fused claptons that you just described above in all n80 are what I put in my Griffin mini. Only instead of 40g I used 38g

 

[raymo2u]

I haven't really heard of cat tracks.
I have a merlin mini but I'm not really getting a good flavor out of it compared to the griffin mini. The fused claptons that you just described above in all n80 are what I put in my Griffin mini. Only instead of 40g I used 38g

I like the Dual Coil deck in the Merlin Mini, the Single is nice for displaying coils but the dual is more my style for vaping. I havent used the newer Geekvape RTA's....mainly because Ive had issues with the 2nd Griffin nd their RDA's....but the Mini may be a good Tank.
The Fused Claptons are a good start but with a wider coil, more cores and thinner outer wrap the vape gets warmer, quicker and at the same wattage (lower resistance). If you want to get a slightly better vape using the same build use SS or make it a Cat Track....or do both and get a noticeable difference.

Cat Tracks are just a Flattened Wire, I use a Hammer to make mine and it does take some elbow grease but you are adding "X" amount of surface area using the same exact wire and because your making the wire thinner it ramps up more quickly....resulting in a performance increase. It does take some effort and time but the results will speak for themselves.

 

[mach1ne]

you can also make just about anything in a smaller gauge so it fits. 26 gauge aliens can be pretty hard to fit in things, 28 is a safe bet, and 30 gauge aliens will be too small for some things.

regarding wicking issues due to not directly dripping juice on the coils, that all depends on the coils. most exotic coils have good wicking properties due to their exotic nature. alien wraps will literally suck your wicks dry. staple coils do it too. regular clapton wraps do it, with better results coming from smaller wraps. anything with a lot of cores/spaces inside some kind of outer wrap should have the capillary capacity to pull enough juice from your wicks. thickness is the only property of some fancy coil builds that doesnt lend itself to wicking very well. things like micro clapton wrapped claptons and giant twisted bundles of stuff might not be great in an rta (assuming you could make them small enough to fit at all).

@Everpresentnewb theres a technique called groove fusing where you lay a wrap of high gauge (40+) around your parallel claptons, in the grooves between your 34 gauge wraps. its not as hard as it sounds. if you are right in the groove, it feels like you are making a regular clapton because your fuse/wrap is landing right where it belongs. if you get a little out of alignment (ahead or behind where you should be), you can feel a little 'tinktinktink' as the wraps kind of snap down into place. just be careful to align the two claptons so their grooves line up when you tighten them down in your drill before you start fusing.

 

[CDroverNL]

I like the Dual Coil deck in the Merlin Mini, the Single is nice for displaying coils but the dual is more my style for vaping. I havent used the newer Geekvape RTA's....mainly because Ive had issues with the 2nd Griffin nd their RDA's....but the Mini may be a good Tank.
The Fused Claptons are a good start but with a wider coil, more cores and thinner outer wrap the vape gets warmer, quicker and at the same wattage (lower resistance). If you want to get a slightly better vape using the same build use SS or make it a Cat Track....or do both and get a noticeable difference.

Cat Tracks are just a Flattened Wire, I use a Hammer to make mine and it does take some elbow grease but you are adding "X" amount of surface area using the same exact wire and because your making the wire thinner it ramps up more quickly....resulting in a performance increase. It does take some effort and time but the results will speak for themselves.

I use the single coil deck in mine. I was hoping for good flavor from that to cut down on juice consumption and vapor production while home because the wife don't like a foggy house...lol

 

[CDroverNL]

@raymo2u
In your merlin mini, where do you find it best to place the coil, low and close to the air hole or up higher?

 

[scarecrowjenkins]

I like to use super absorbent coils in my rta's. The more juice the coils hold the less I worry about running the wicks dry


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[CDroverNL]

I like to use super absorbentu coils in my rta's. The more juice the coils hold the less I worry about running the wicks dry


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Wow, that's nice lookin coil.
How does it vape? Warm, hot?

 

[CDroverNL]

I've tried looking up that coil name in Google but nothing shows up

 

[scarecrowjenkins]

It's a Staggerton. It's a nice warm vape for a single coil

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[CDroverNL]

Ohhhh. Lol. I Googled what you called it above, super absorbentu coils, hahahaha

 

[raymo2u]

@raymo2u
In your merlin mini, where do you find it best to place the coil, low and close to the air hole or up higher?

I like it much like I like the same placement in anything, 3-4mm away from the airflow and about 75% of the coil to cover it

 

[scarecrowjenkins]

Ohhhh. Lol. I Googled what you called it above, super absorbentu coils, hahahaha

I meant super absorbent, as in the coils alone hold a lot of juice haha. I just got a new phone and it's affecting my ability to type properly. The coil is a Groove-fused Staggerton. You can Google that haha

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[CDroverNL]

I meant super absorbent, as in the coils alone hold a lot of juice haha. I just got a new phone and it's affecting my ability to type properly. The coil is a Groove-fused Staggerton. You can Google that haha

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I found it. Lol
I've only watched one video so far, and that one used 2 spools at the same time to clapton the ribbon, that kinda scares me. I'm gonna watch a couple more to see if there's an easier way