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BumbaCLot

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In Indiana this was a move by a casino with a vault to force everyone but big tobacco to also build a vault. Under 3ml non refillable are exempt. Every batch must indefinitely keep 3 10ml samples under video surveillance. Puts all custom juice and small batch out of business.
 

BumbaCLot

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I think what he is saying is that draconian state and local laws are more concerned about losing the jobs and tax revenue from the local B&Ms than out of state internet vendors. The legislators don't give a crap about vaper's rights, just money for the state and local coffers and perhaps a pinch of job retention and commercial real estate occupancy.

In states where local vape B&Ms have proliferated into every strip center like nail salons, legislating them out of business is a concern. B&Ms are helping the vaping cause by just staying in business.

Nothing wrong with shopping on line or DIY, just support the B&Ms when you can.
Our legislators are already owned by a casino. Until NicQuid or other huge vendors get together and sue, the market in Indiana was single handedly cornered.
I can see a few companies following this law and building a vault once they see they can also join this cornered market.
They left big tobacco exempt which sucks because they did put an allowed ingredients list in and I don't trust a blu or markten anymore than a custard.
 

BumbaCLot

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That's not what I said at all and if people want to DIY, more power to them. My issue was with the comment suggesting that the OP stays away from B&M stores.

Sure you pay a little more there, (not always) but like any B&M small business, there is overhead being covered not to mention their time and effort involved in local advocacy which most of your shops and local juice vendors play a major role in. So even if you specifically vape home made juice. Spend the extra few bucks and support your local vaping industry when buying mods, attys or even a bag of cotton.

It seems with vaping specifically, you are supposed to spend all of your money online to get the absolute cheapest price possible, even if it's only a $2 difference. Most of us were $2500 to $5000 a year cigarette smokers. But now were too cheap to support local business?

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I'm too cheap to spend $100 on an IPV2 which a friend of mine did. He thought it wasn't a ripoff not realizing it was old tech and I equated it to old RAM.
Also too cheap to spend $105 on an istick 50.
I bought two cloned attys on a Friday night and a counterfeit LG battery because I wanted them NOW.
But $80 for my innokin vvvw 5pack starter kit when I saw them online last December definitely prompted me to tell everyone to shop online.
I'm in the business of getting my friends to quit smoking, not keeping stores selling stuff above MSRP or house brand juice in biz.
The other B&M didn't give a shit when I complained about a lid completely ripping off of a cinnamon flavor juice.
I asked their main employee to have the owner give me a ring or email and nothing.
I have a friend with a large chemical burn on her leg from this. Mine luckily did it in a plastic bag in a crate.
 

zaroba

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That's not what I said at all and if people want to DIY, more power to them. My issue was with the comment suggesting that the OP stays away from B&M stores.

Sure you pay a little more there, (not always) but like any B&M small business, there is overhead being covered not to mention their time and effort involved in local advocacy which most of your shops and local juice vendors play a major role in. So even if you specifically vape home made juice. Spend the extra few bucks and support your local vaping industry when buying mods, attys or even a bag of cotton.

It seems with vaping specifically, you are supposed to spend all of your money online to get the absolute cheapest price possible, even if it's only a $2 difference. Most of us were $2500 to $5000 a year cigarette smokers. But now were too cheap to support local business?

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It should be noted though that not every B&M cares at all about rights. In every market you will have people who are only in it to make a quick buck. There is a shop like that near me. Guy doesn't care about anything besides selling juice to anybody that will buy it, and it is pretty crappy juice. I have a Vanilla Custard from him and it tastes more like butterscotch. Sometimes see posts on this forum about a vape shop staffed with people who don't have a clue about what they are selling to somebody. Honestly though, if a B&M could provide the options that you can get online (nic, vg/pg ratio, size), I would be more inclined to shop from them. That is what first turned me off them. None of this "oh, we only have 6mg, but if you buy a 6 and a 0, you can mix them to make 3mg nic" bs to gain additional sales.

One of the first things I learned when switching to vaping was to look at your monthly cig budget and use that as your vape budget. So honestly, the cost isn't too much of an issue for me. I just don't see a need to pay extra for the same thing just to give a 3rd party some money as well.

I may be jaded though. In the reptile community, DIY and avoiding B&Ms is a pretty big thing since most of the time the staff in a B&M is just people hired off the street and taught to lie to customers to gain a sale. Whether it be a lie about the reptile itself or just giving incorrect care info that will result in a dead reptile, all that matters is that the customer thinks it's cheap and easy to care for so they will be more inclined to buy it. They may not even know it's incorrect since it was what they were taught to do by the more 'experienced' staff of the store. As well as not properly careing for the reptiles while they are in the shop because of the cost involved in doing so. Instead of shopping at B&Ms and supporting these practices, we learn to avoid them and instead buy directly from breeders and make our own stuff for a fraction of the price.

Stores take advantage of people all the time. It happens in every market.
Went to walmart a while back to look for velcro straps to tie cables. It was something like $5 for a pack of 10 in the electronics section. But over in the hardware section, a pack of 100 was the same price. One simply cost more since it was in a different department and unknowing people would pay more for it thinking it was 'special' because it was in the electronics department. Juice is the same, just because it costs more doesn't make it better. And thinking that way will easily let people rip you off.
 

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Is that an albino burmese in your avatar? Is it yours?
 

Oberon75

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I'm too cheap to spend $100 on an IPV2 which a friend of mine did. He thought it wasn't a ripoff not realizing it was old tech and I equated it to old RAM.
Also too cheap to spend $105 on an istick 50.
I bought two cloned attys on a Friday night and a counterfeit LG battery because I wanted them NOW.
But $80 for my innokin vvvw 5pack starter kit when I saw them online last December definitely prompted me to tell everyone to shop online.
I'm in the business of getting my friends to quit smoking, not keeping stores selling stuff above MSRP or house brand juice in biz.
The other B&M didn't give a shit when I complained about a lid completely ripping off of a cinnamon flavor juice.
I asked their main employee to have the owner give me a ring or email and nothing.
I have a friend with a large chemical burn on her leg from this. Mine luckily did it in a plastic bag in a crate.

Most B&M's aren't like that though and your bad experience shouldn't make you sway others away from potential good relationships with mom & pop vape businesses.

In Oct, I bought an MVP 2.0 for $40 and two Nautilus tanks for $20 each. Back in Jan I bought an IPV2S which cost me $95. About a month ago, I got an Authentic Aeolus for $65 out the door from the owners personal collection. Now I did pay $240 for a HANA V4D at another shop vs $209 online but that also came with enough rewards points for a free Kanger Subtank.

Back when I started vaping, It was recommended to me that I shop online only from the folks at ECF. I did this for a while until a stumbled across a local Facebook group who opened my eyes to an entire network of local shops with fair prices and that Mayberry like, small business hospitality.

I've seen the same owner who sold me the Aeolus open his shop to somebody in a bind at 1am. I saw another owner host a cloud comp benefit for a fellow vapor in need whose house burnt down. He lost everything and the shop got him hooked up with nice new gear and juice. If he shopped online only, he would have been fucked.

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Reptile b&m never carry high end reptiles anyway.
 

smacksy

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Is that an albino burmese in your avatar? Is it yours?
You even got me curious,
A snake in the grass can be dangerous in more ways than one, :)
Lol
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martinelias

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Looks like a boa
 

zaroba

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Is that an albino burmese in your avatar? Is it yours?

Yep, his name is Ghost. He is about 12ft long now and weighs around 40lb.
Sometime this spring or summer I'll be taking new photos of all my reptiles. Probably some new videos as well.

Think the pic is from 2011, as is this video. Probably taken at the same time as the picture.




The snake in my signature is one I used to have. Lost him a few years ago when the power went out over winter for a few days. Jungle corn, a hybrid of a King Snake and a Corn Snake. The photo was a lucky shot, I was trying to take a picture of his head and he flicked his tongue at the right moment. Black background was from using a high F stop, fast shutter, and Flash.
 
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efektt

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Yep, his name is Ghost. He is about 12ft long now and weighs around 40lb.
Sometime this spring or summer I'll be taking new photos of all my reptiles. Probably some new videos as well.

Think the pic is from 2011, as is this video. Probably taken at the same time as the picture.
Haha.. I still got it. I used to be really into reptiles and tropical fish, but not so much anymore. Although I never had a burmese, my biggest snake was a ball python. My favorite reptile and amphibian pets were bearded dragons and Argentinean horn frogs.
 

zaroba

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Haha.. I still got it. I used to be really into reptiles and tropical fish, but not so much anymore. Although I never had a burmese, my biggest snake was a ball python. My favorite reptile and amphibian pets were bearded dragons and Argentinean horn frogs.

I love frogs, but don't have any.
Used to have 3 dart frogs (D. Leucamoles) in a home built 360 gallon vivarium with a stream, waterfalls, and pond. It maintained 90+ percent humidity 24/7 without any misting, the temps always ranged from 70-80F due to the various lights on timers in the top of it, and it was nearly self sufficient. Only thing I had to do was occasionally add water to the reservoirs underneath it. The soil had bugs living in it (springtails, pillbugs, and fungus gnats) that the frogs ate and in the 6 months that I had them, I only fed them a few times. But, I couldn't warrant keeping such a huge enclosure for 3 small frogs so sold them to somebody on craigslist and disassembled the enclosure. I miss it every day though. Loved having a slice of tropical rainforest in my bedroom.
 

BumbaCLot

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It should be noted though that not every B&M cares at all about rights. In every market you will have people who are only in it to make a quick buck. There is a shop like that near me. Guy doesn't care about anything besides selling juice to anybody that will buy it, and it is pretty crappy juice. I have a Vanilla Custard from him and it tastes more like butterscotch. Sometimes see posts on this forum about a vape shop staffed with people who don't have a clue about what they are selling to somebody. Honestly though, if a B&M could provide the options that you can get online (nic, vg/pg ratio, size), I would be more inclined to shop from them. That is what first turned me off them. None of this "oh, we only have 6mg, but if you buy a 6 and a 0, you can mix them to make 3mg nic" bs to gain additional sales.

One of the first things I learned when switching to vaping was to look at your monthly cig budget and use that as your vape budget. So honestly, the cost isn't too much of an issue for me. I just don't see a need to pay extra for the same thing just to give a 3rd party some money as well.

I may be jaded though. In the reptile community, DIY and avoiding B&Ms is a pretty big thing since most of the time the staff in a B&M is just people hired off the street and taught to lie to customers to gain a sale. Whether it be a lie about the reptile itself or just giving incorrect care info that will result in a dead reptile, all that matters is that the customer thinks it's cheap and easy to care for so they will be more inclined to buy it. They may not even know it's incorrect since it was what they were taught to do by the more 'experienced' staff of the store. As well as not properly careing for the reptiles while they are in the shop because of the cost involved in doing so. Instead of shopping at B&Ms and supporting these practices, we learn to avoid them and instead buy directly from breeders and make our own stuff for a fraction of the price.

Stores take advantage of people all the time. It happens in every market.
Went to walmart a while back to look for velcro straps to tie cables. It was something like $5 for a pack of 10 in the electronics section. But over in the hardware section, a pack of 100 was the same price. One simply cost more since it was in a different department and unknowing people would pay more for it thinking it was 'special' because it was in the electronics department. Juice is the same, just because it costs more doesn't make it better. And thinking that way will easily let people rip you off.
I won't make 3mg either, so there's that.
 

BumbaCLot

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Most B&M's aren't like that though and your bad experience shouldn't make you sway others away from potential good relationships with mom & pop vape businesses.

In Oct, I bought an MVP 2.0 for $40 and two Nautilus tanks for $20 each. Back in Jan I bought an IPV2S which cost me $95. About a month ago, I got an Authentic Aeolus for $65 out the door from the owners personal collection. Now I did pay $240 for a HANA V4D at another shop vs $209 online but that also came with enough rewards points for a free Kanger Subtank.

Back when I started vaping, It was recommended to me that I shop online only from the folks at ECF. I did this for a while until a stumbled across a local Facebook group who opened my eyes to an entire network of local shops with fair prices and that Mayberry like, small business hospitality.

I've seen the same owner who sold me the Aeolus open his shop to somebody in a bind at 1am. I saw another owner host a cloud comp benefit for a fellow vapor in need whose house burnt down. He lost everything and the shop got him hooked up with nice new gear and juice. If he shopped online only, he would have been fucked.

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Seriously? What bind would someone be in at 1am?
I swear.. The internet...
 

efektt

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Yeah... all thr b and ms around me are strickly about money.
 

Oberon75

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Seriously? What bind would someone be in at 1am?
I swear.. The internet...

The guy is a third shifter and his tank busted at work. The owner offered to meet him on his break to get him another one because he posted he was about to buy a pack of smokes to get him through the night. Not sure what the internet has to do with anything but thanx for the sarcastic reply.

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BumbaCLot

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I wouldn't call that great customer service, I'd call that a one man show and a guy not sleeping and reading Facebook. All the gas stations around here sell tanks so I just find this an extreme example if others read this and think "oh all store owners should do this".
 

Oberon75

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I wouldn't call that great customer service, I'd call that a one man show and a guy not sleeping and reading Facebook. All the gas stations around here sell tanks so I just find this an extreme example if others read this and think "oh all store owners should do this".
The gas stations sell shitty generic clearomizors for eGo setups. Definitely not something you are putting on a mod box without an adapter that gas station does not sell.

I really don't think you understand the incredible vape community that we have here. The customers are very loyal to the shops and the shops are loyal to the customers. I've even had a guy deliver to my house after he closed his shop because I was stuck with my kids.

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That's not what I said at all and if people want to DIY, more power to them. My issue was with the comment suggesting that the OP stays away from B&M stores.

Sure you pay a little more there, (not always) but like any B&M small business, there is overhead being covered not to mention their time and effort involved in local advocacy which most of your shops and local juice vendors play a major role in. So even if you specifically vape home made juice. Spend the extra few bucks and support your local vaping industry when buying mods, attys or even a bag of cotton.

It seems with vaping specifically, you are supposed to spend all of your money online to get the absolute cheapest price possible, even if it's only a $2 difference. Most of us were $2500 to $5000 a year cigarette smokers. But now were too cheap to support local business?

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I'm definitely all for supporting my local B&M's. There are quite a few small shops around where I live and paying a couple extra bucks per bottle is nothing to me when I get such amazing customer service. The people at my shops could have sold me something super expensive when I went in because I told them I knew nothing about vapes and my budget was $200. I walked out only paying about $70 because they didn't take advantage of my naiveté.

I trust B&M's far more that I do online shopping because I can try out every flavor right then and there, which eliminates the guesswork. I don't want to take a gamble on a bunch of flavors from a brand I'm unfamiliar with just because they're cheaper. I'd rather shell out a little more for something I know I'll like right then and there than pay shipping plus the cost of the juice and end up hating it anyways.

Plus, who doesn't love buying local?
 

Saddletramp1200

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Just like mixing a cake. Only too much NICOTINE will make you very sick, or you die. I pay attention. 50 ml for 1.25. not bad. Respect Nicotine.
 

Tom_Pulliam

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Www.innevape.com go for Heisenberg. Tastes like a blue icepop.
Can't tell you how many times that I was glad that I had to go out of state for work (Idaho once a week) so that I could stop by the smoke shop on the Indian reservation to by smokes...saved a ton of money didn't buy them at home (Utah) unless I had to
That's not what I said at all and if people want to DIY, more power to them. My issue was with the comment suggesting that the OP stays away from B&M stores.

Sure you pay a little more there, (not always) but like any B&M small business, there is overhead being covered not to mention their time and effort involved in local advocacy which most of your shops and local juice vendors play a major role in. So even if you specifically vape home made juice. Spend the extra few bucks and support your local vaping industry when buying mods, attys or even a bag of cotton.

It seems with vaping specifically, you are supposed to spend all of your money online to get the absolute cheapest price possible, even if it's only a $2 difference. Most of us were $2500 to $5000 a year cigarette smokers. But now were too cheap to support local business?

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Shopping online for juice is hit n miss. You may hit the jackpot with an all day vape or you could have just paid for garbage. I buy devices at b n m also, if shit goes wrong i can walk in face to face without having to wait for replies from emails or calling. I got my rdna40 at vaporshark and ill probly get the sx mini there too since they just sent me an email that they were selling them there. Going to try ejuice online though this week for the first time since cartos.
 

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I'm Mad Scientist taught. (old school). I will sit 10 minutes to watch the last drop fall from the Beaker. In my younger days I made some stuff that I needed to pay attention to. Have all my fingers, arms, & stuff.
 

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Might try ITC vapes...$20 for a 120ml bottle...Suggest trying their Lemon Bar Custard and Cinne Gram Custard..those two are my favorites (VG max) but they have other custards as well as a big selection of flavors...

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Just ordered berzerker, nilla gorilla, bananaberry cream and lemon bar. All 15ml to try them out, all max vg and all 3mg nic.
With shipping it all came out to 26 bucks, which is freakin great for me considering im currently paying 44 bucks for the same 60ml.
thanks for the heads up cant wait til it gets here. Can i speed steep these with warm water? Putting away juice for weeks in a closet maims me morning star style.
 

zaroba

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I'm Mad Scientist taught. (old school). I will sit 10 minutes to watch the last drop fall from the Beaker. In my younger days I made some stuff that I needed to pay attention to. Have all my fingers, arms, & stuff.

I'm not patient enough to wait.
I use syringes to suck the last drop out :p
 

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