You know that is a thought. If I purchased a small bottle of this and diluted it way down this might be very cost effective.
It's not cost effective at the moment. It has benifits, but cost is not one of them.
You know that is a thought. If I purchased a small bottle of this and diluted it way down this might be very cost effective.
And with how dangerous it is, I am surprised that people can actually buy it. WOWI just feel that we're already in a battle with the FDA, why supply the ammo? It's not just a matter of personal safety, especially if you have kids, pets, family. One drop not seen and not cleaned up could make someone serioulsy sick, or even cause death.
If we start seeing stories in the news about it, the problems we have with the FDA will seem like a walk in the park.
I guess I would need to really try and figure out my nicotine intake requirements for long term storage but I also don't vape as much as others do. I heard that there are people vaping through 30 ml bottles in one day. I almost couldn't believe it. I started vaping at 18 mg and I never reduced my nicotine so a 30 ml bottle will last me almost a month. The fastest that I have gone through a 30 ml bottle was one week and that was when I bought a juice that I absolutely loved and could not stop vaping it lolIt's not nearly as bad as some let on. But hey, it's their story.
I guess I would need to really try and figure out my nicotine intake requirements for long term storage but I also don't vape as much as others do. I heard that there are people vaping through 30 ml bottles in one day. I almost couldn't believe it. I started vaping at 18 mg and I never reduced my nicotine so a 30 ml bottle will last me almost a month. The fastest that I have gone through a 30 ml bottle was one week and that was when I bought a juice that I absolutely loved and could not stop vaping it lol
It doesn't end up saving you money over 100mg base. So, while it isn't as bad as some are making it out to be, it can cause problems with having it around. The biggest issue being whether somebody not knowing what it is getting ahold of it. That means you would have to worry for a lifetime about hiding the stuff(keeping it locked up). Also, any heat would ruin it. It's hard to keep something in perfect conditions for 40 years. And you don't want to freeze pure nic.
In short, it's more hassle than it's worth for most people. I'm not afraid of it, but I wouldn't buy a liter just for myself.[/QUOTE
Well I live in my own place with my Girl, no children, or pets. I do keep my nicotine base in the deep freeze, sealed bottle in a zip lock bag. I have stored it for about 2 years and it is still clear and smooth tasting. I am pretty sure that if I bought a gallon of 100 mg Nicotine base, I would pretty much be set for quite a long time.
I'm going to look and see if there is maybe a 200 MG PG Base. Then I could have a smaller footprint in the deep freeze at least.It doesn't end up saving you money over 100mg base. So, while it isn't as bad as some are making it out to be, it can cause problems with having it around. The biggest issue being whether somebody not knowing what it is getting ahold of it. That means you would have to worry for a lifetime about hiding the stuff(keeping it locked up). Also, any heat would ruin it. It's hard to keep something in perfect conditions for 40 years. And you don't want to freeze pure nic.
In short, it's more hassle than it's worth for most people. I'm not afraid of it, but I wouldn't buy a liter just for myself.
Call me a pessimist but I know how our government works and the simple fact is they stand to lose billions of dollars in tax revenue if everyone quits using tobacco. They know that Vaping is a healthier alternative than smoking. People tend to think that they are incompetent but it is my opinion that the powers that be know exactly what they are doing. They are going to either get rid of vaping altogether, or they are going to put it in the exclusive control of big tobacco so that they can continue to receive the tax revenue stream. People say that we should not start stockpiling and hoarding and that is fine. people can do what they want, but I have already started collecting a nice mix of devices that are mechanical in nature that don't require me buying coil heads, and a few really reliable electronic devices that will serve me over the long haul. I have embraced DIY mixing and I will continue to do that instead of relying on buying juice, because I know where this is going.
Oh my God you are so right about the brainwashing! Case in point, my friends niece would always remember just the bad parts about the news reports but not get the whole story and would repeat it over and over to everyone she talked to. She would say: Vaping has embalming fluid in it and that stuff is dangerous so I'm going to just smoke. Or I hear people say that stuff that you guys are vaping is the same thing as anti freeze. They always seem to just remember one thing but not ever hear the rebuttal or the whole story and they just keep repeating that stuff to everyone that they talk to. Then eventually there are thousands of people saying that vape smoke (lol) is anti freeze and embalming fluid. It's no wonder that the general public thinks that vaping is dangerous. In my years, I have learned that most people have extremely short attention spans as well as being lazy with no desire to research or fact check. And our government knows this and they exploit it.Likewise. And they probably realize that for a certain percentage of those who already vape, the ship has already sailed, and they won't be getting anymore tobacco money from those people ever again -- those who frequent these forums, who build their own coils and make their own juice. But I fear we're a fairly small percentage of vapers as a whole, and certainly there are still plenty of smokers who haven't yet heard The Good News, who are so brainwashed by mass media that they honestly think vaping is worse than smoking -- which serves to vindicate them in continuing to smoke, which is all they really want anyway. Those are the tobacco tax dollars that the goobermint wants to keep, and no doubt will keep for some time to come. But there WILL come a point when TRUTH will outweigh greed -- you can't make something not true, just by hollering LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
Andria
Although I don't necessarily believe them, these guys claim Made in the USA. Pure nicotine is some dangerous shit though, and I don't recommend that anyone without proper training and a lab mess with it. I also don't think acquiring nicotine will ever be impossible, but a small bottle of this vacuum sealed and frozen might allay any fears.
https://www.e-liq.com/featured-home/pure-nicotine-1-liter
As I noted in my first post above about pure nicotine, if you are not trained and have a lab, don't mess with it. For those that are competent, it is inexpensive and easily stored for long periods of time.
So what exactly is it made of? The answer to that was probably in some of the scientific data blah blah on their website, but it may as well have been Greek to me.I am going to drop a serious bomb in this thread
Google: PharmaNic
Any new ideas?
Good catch I mean to say consumable item
So what exactly is it made of? The answer to that was probably in some of the scientific data blah blah on their website, but it may as well have been Greek to me.
Made from what?It's synthetic nicotine not extracted.
Oh my God you are so right about the brainwashing! Case in point, my friends niece would always remember just the bad parts about the news reports but not get the whole story and would repeat it over and over to everyone she talked to. She would say: Vaping has embalming fluid in it and that stuff is dangerous so I'm going to just smoke. Or I hear people say that stuff that you guys are vaping is the same thing as anti freeze. They always seem to just remember one thing but not ever hear the rebuttal or the whole story and they just keep repeating that stuff to everyone that they talk to. Then eventually there are thousands of people saying that vape smoke (lol) is anti freeze and embalming fluid. It's no wonder that the general public thinks that vaping is dangerous. In my years, I have learned that most people have extremely short attention spans as well as being lazy with no desire to research or fact check. And our government knows this and they exploit it.
Made from what?
So they're combining carbon, hydrogen, and nitrogen in a lab to replicate nicotine?Nicotine's chemical formula is C 10H 14N 2.
Carbon, Hydrogen and Nitrogen.
So they're combining carbon, hydrogen, and nitrogen in a lab to replicate nicotine?
Basically, yes.
Most things that can be extracted don't get synthesized because it's cost prohibitive. An example would be caffeine. Caffeine is synthesized but the vast majority of caffeine in our products, like soda, is extracted from plants because it's cheaper.
Yep. And you don't see the FDfuckingA calling coke, pepsi, or Mtn Dew "coffee products".
Andria
Good catch I mean to say consumable item
I'll add another 2 cents. Seriously, 100mg is strong enough. Pure nic is DANGEROUS. Like previously stated in the thread, all we need is someone severely injured or dead messing with it, careful or not. That'd bring down the hammer fast. We don't need that attention.
It doesn't matter if it is extracted or synthetic nicotine. There is a provision in the regulations that covers this to counter any and all loopholes that people are going to try and exploit. And something that I found very interesting is that they compiled all of this data from us by lurking in vaping forums, watching vape reviewer vlogs and listening to podcasts. Hell they are probably reading this thread right now.You also don't see gasoline with ethanol in it deemed a corn product.
Other plants other than tobacco contain nicotine and can be used for extraction.
I'm not sure if extraction from other plants or synthetic nicotine would work as a means to get out from under the FDA. It would take a team of lawyers to figure that out.
It doesn't matter if it is extracted or synthetic nicotine. There is a provision in the regulations that covers this to counter any and all loopholes that people are going to try and exploit. And something that I found very interesting is that they compiled all of this data from us by lurking in vaping forums, watching vape reviewer vlogs and listening to podcasts. Hell they are probably reading this thread right now.
Thank you for the link.Or another school of thought. Let's say you purchase an 8oz bottle of pure nic from E-liq in glass. $80. You buy an empty, lined 1 gal paint can and a gallon of VG. When the 8oz bottle of pure nic comes, you put the bottle directly into the 1 gal paint can, and you cover it with 2133ml of VG or PG or your choice of mix, hammer down the lid, and put it in the cool part of your basement. Now the base is going to be subjected to a lil oxygen. No big deal. Because it is also pretty much insulating your pure nic from exposure to air. So every few years, you pull out your sealed bottle of pure nic, which WILL live almost forever in an environment like that, rinse it off, and change the base in the can.
What's the worst that can happen? Your pail leaks, but it can only leak base, no nic. Your nic leaks, but it leaks into the perfect quantity of base to make 100mg/ml. Once you finally NEED the nic, you simply pull it, rinse, put 2133ml of base back into the can (or hell, get a new one) and do the EASIEST safest thing in the world. Put on the gear, open it over the can, and pour it in. Voila, 2.6 liters of 100mg/ml base for $80 and some change.
I don't have any trouble feeling safe doing this. My kids are grown, my cats live outside.
I certainly hope so Time.I'm sure that's true. But, Congress gave the FDA authority over products derived from tobacco. Synthetic nicotine is not derived from tobacco so while I'm sure the FDA will try to keep authority, it may be possible to sue on the grounds that Congress did not give them authority of products not derived from tobacco. I don't know, it's just a thought. Like I said, the lawyers would have to look at that.
LMAO Andrea!Yep. And you don't see the FDfuckingA calling coke, pepsi, or Mtn Dew "coffee products".
Andria
I'm sure that's true. But, Congress gave the FDA authority over products derived from tobacco. Synthetic nicotine is not derived from tobacco so while I'm sure the FDA will try to keep authority, it may be possible to sue on the grounds that Congress did not give them authority of products not derived from tobacco. I don't know, it's just a thought. Like I said, the lawyers would have to look at that.
Just wanted to add, you can get test kits from several vendors. I got mine from Wizard Labs. Bull City sells them and I'm sure a few others we know of. Google shows non vape places, too.I don't have the means to chemically test it, but it stays clear and seems same as ever.
But it's important to keep it in perspective...if this happens it will not kill DIY. It will kill ready availability of nicotine, but the other ingredients will remain just as available as they are now. That leaves us DIYers with two paths...maintain the addiction to nicotine and return to smoking, or maintain the addiction to vaping and lose the nicotine. I think it's important to think in these terms.
You can use most of those words hereI'll quite just to spite the *****!
I know.... trying to act my ageYou can use most of those words here
God bless you Mad Scientist! This is exactly the kind of data that we need. So far we have gathered that the longest time documented for stored Nicotine without degradation at 4 years. I am willing to bet that with storage in stainless steel bottles under argon gas the time could very well be 10 years or more.That's a good thought, but synthesized nicotine would then be a drug, no? It has been a very long time since I last looked at that. Is there a reason the FDA would not be in a position to regulate a synthesized chemical intended for ingestion? Maybe there's an exception for nicotine -- I can't remember.
For my nic, I've hoarded a lifetime (actually likely more than a lifetime at my age lol) supply of 100mg in the freezer. I bought a liter in brown glass every time it went on sale, over a few years. My issue was the threat of huge taxes (my state was talking a buck per ml so $1,000 per liter in taxes!) -- but now maybe they ban it unless you have a pharmacy license, who knows what the gov't will do next.
Been using my frozen nic for years. I decant about 45 ml at a time to a small bottle kept in the fridge for batch mixing. The remainder stays in the freezer. The 45 ml lasts about 3 or 4 months so I only need to reopen a frozen bottle a few times a year. I don't have the means to chemically test it, but it stays clear and seems same as ever.
That's the way I'm looking at it. I'm going to get a liter of 100mg and finish weaning off of nicotine before it's gone and give away what is left. I started with 18mg juice 4 years ago and I'm down to 3mg now and was not in a hurry to drop. I WILL NOT let this government screw me over with ecigs like they did over the years with Tobacco I'll quite just to spite the DUMB BASTARDS!That's the way I'm looking at it. I'm going to get a liter of 100mg and finish weaning off of nicotine before it's gone and give away what is left. I started with 18mg juice 4 years ago and I'm down to 3mg now and was not in a hurry to drop. I WILL NOT let this government screw me over with ecigs like they did over the years with Tobacco I'll quite just to spite the *****!
Some of the old-timers on ECF have reported 6+ years with no degradation. This is for glass bottles with minimal head-space, in the freezer.So far we have gathered that the longest time documented for stored Nicotine without degradation at 4 years.
Some of the old-timers on ECF have reported 6+ years with no degradation. This is for glass bottles with minimal head-space, in the freezer.
Howdy Rossum, haven't seen ya around in a while. I was missin ya.
Been busy -- stockpiling.
J/K. As you're probably aware, I've been doing that slowly and methodically for 2+ years.
Some of the old-timers on ECF have reported 6+ years with no degradation. This is for glass bottles with minimal head-space, in the freezer.
I'm still at 15 and have 32 years worth in cold storage. I just turned 57. I figure if/when I hit 80, I'll think about starting to cut back.Same here. But now I'm trying to find a way to fit even more nic in that freezer. Down to 4mg too, so what I have will last longer. Figure I'll probably get to about 3mg and just stick there, which would make my current supply last much longer than any expected lifespan.