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If you can alien you can do this. It's as easy to do a 40g interlock as it is a 36g alien. If you suck at aliens I can probably straighten that out too. I've taught loads of people how to set up cores properly so they won't collapse without having to use some silly shit to keep them flat.
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@martnargh i find that 3mm fits ok, but the cap gets hot af. i stick with 2.5mm in mine and i found that putting the coils out a bit further than in your pic (closer to the edge of the deck) and the tops of the coils about 1-2mm above the clamps/posts is ideal. it took a few builds on it before i was impressed, but now i think i figured it out. some attys are more sensitive to coil placement and little details, and in my experience, this is one of them.
nice looking build btw
what happened to your aliens? did the cores bunch up on you, or the wrap didnt wrap up properly? if the cores bunched up, look back through @whiteowl84 posts, he has given some golden advice on core prep recently...if its your wraps fucking up, im going to guess that they are over stretched. i made a set of aliens a while ago from totally unstretched decore, just by squeezing it tight enough that the length between my hand and the core wires stretched into place as i wrapped it on. if you overstretch even a little bit, its all fucked. imo the easiest way is to stretch about 50-75% and then use tension as i wrap it for the last little bit of stretch. one more thing thats a really easy mistake is to not switch your drill to wrap the aliens back on in reverse of the original decore clapton. keep trying man its worth the effort 
nice looking build btw
what happened to your aliens? did the cores bunch up on you, or the wrap didnt wrap up properly? if the cores bunched up, look back through @whiteowl84 posts, he has given some golden advice on core prep recently...if its your wraps fucking up, im going to guess that they are over stretched. i made a set of aliens a while ago from totally unstretched decore, just by squeezing it tight enough that the length between my hand and the core wires stretched into place as i wrapped it on. if you overstretch even a little bit, its all fucked. imo the easiest way is to stretch about 50-75% and then use tension as i wrap it for the last little bit of stretch. one more thing thats a really easy mistake is to not switch your drill to wrap the aliens back on in reverse of the original decore clapton. keep trying man its worth the effort 
Yeah I vape at a very low resistance and have for a couple of years, so chain vaping for me is 3 or 4 blast offs and I'm good, goon lp cap doesn5 get too hot on me under those conditions (or any rda/tube for that).@martnargh i find that 3mm fits ok, but the cap gets hot af. i stick with 2.5mm in mine and i found that putting the coils out a bit further than in your pic (closer to the edge of the deck) and the tops of the coils about 1-2mm above the clamps/posts is ideal. it took a few builds on it before i was impressed, but now i think i figured it out. some attys are more sensitive to coil placement and little details, and in my experience, this is one of them.
nice looking build btw
As for the aliens... in my life I built 1 alien coil, just one, maybe a year and a half ago, and I fucked it up by tipping the mod over and it melted plastic on it lol I think I shared it in the forum too.
What happened today was I started off like whiteowl said real tight with no slack at all and nothing between the chuck and the swivel holding the cores together either and it started out marvelous... full speed ahead! Real good maybe 4 inches of solid alien work it was a 38 decore. Anyway a little after the 6 inch mark it bunched up and went to hell... so that was that. I'll try again next week Monday.
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I set up a 10" core for aliens and only wrap 4" at a time. I just make a decore about 12" long and cut it in half. It's just easier for me to do it that way.
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Just got a Pharaoh yesterday, put another 4mm 6x30g Alien in it. Came out to 0.6 ohms.
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Merlin RDTA-Biggest coils Ive installed in anything so far...
This was for @CoilWars: Battles (Staggered Challenge)
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Merlin RDTA-Biggest coils Ive installed in anything so far...
This was for @CoilWars: Battles (Staggered Challenge)
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Awesome mate!
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I'll take you up on that offer whiteowl for the guide! Hehe
Followed your tip on the stacking of the ribbon so much bloody easier used to struggle stacking 8 ....14 in here ran out of .4 ribbon dammit wanted a 16ply for those double hump enigmas raymo posted so I'll have to wait now sigh unless I can continue with 14ply? If so what's next?
This length is 12" as I need about 6" for coils personally
Just to add I've framed these now with 26g as you did last page whiteowl again so much easier than how I used to do it! Went a bit overkill with the glue still nothing moving there!
Just need to figure out what decore gauge to use? Any ideas and should I use 28g core to wrap round?
Also and how much should I stretch it to form that double hump
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If you're trying an Enigma you can't. You'd need either 28g frames or alot more ribbon for 26g frames. You need the be 6x wider than your decore and your frames and decore should be the same size.
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Out of interest why should decore and frames be the same size?
Because that's going to be the size of your circle.
An Enigma is an alien where the peek in the middle is made up of what would have been the side of a normal alien. You go wider and understretch so the side can twist and end up on top. With a normal alien this twist happens in the middle still but it keeps wrapping around the frame. It doesn't matter what size the decore was in relation to the frame because it's getting stretched and bent. Since this won't happen on an Enigma the sides that wrap around the frame are still going to be roughly the same size circle so you need the frame to match that circle. If the frame is too big the sides are going to look pinched and nothing like an Enigma and if it's too big it probably won't work at all. Much like using a 22g decore over 3x 28g...yeah you can wrap it but it'll be loose and hollow.
Just think about what is going on when you turn clapton into alien. Imagine the circle getting twisted in half to make two half circles in opposite directions. If you can imagine that you should be able to figure out any alien and why it works.
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An Enigma is an alien where the peek in the middle is made up of what would have been the side of a normal alien. You go wider and understretch so the side can twist and end up on top. With a normal alien this twist happens in the middle still but it keeps wrapping around the frame. It doesn't matter what size the decore was in relation to the frame because it's getting stretched and bent. Since this won't happen on an Enigma the sides that wrap around the frame are still going to be roughly the same size circle so you need the frame to match that circle. If the frame is too big the sides are going to look pinched and nothing like an Enigma and if it's too big it probably won't work at all. Much like using a 22g decore over 3x 28g...yeah you can wrap it but it'll be loose and hollow.
Just think about what is going on when you turn clapton into alien. Imagine the circle getting twisted in half to make two half circles in opposite directions. If you can imagine that you should be able to figure out any alien and why it works.
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Ok thanks mate
Lets assume for the minute I start again and have 0.3 or 0.5 in my arsenal how much core do I need? And what would you use for the rest of it
Guessing
2x26g (@0.4mm) and 16ply 0.5 x0.1mm
2x29g (@0.3mm) and 12ply 0.4 x 0.1mm
2x32g (@0.2mm) and 8ply 0.3x0.1mm
Those would give me a x6 ratio
Just measured the width of the one I posted above it's exactly 2mm so if I claptoned around a 28g at 0.32mm it would give me roughly that x6 ratio...Sure That definitely won't work? Happy to start again if needed I'll turn these into FSCs
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What happens when I take a break from finals. Thanks @raymo for tips on this build
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Been sinkin' my teeth into the Augvape Druga. Been a few weeks now and i can't put this thing down. One of the easiest decks to deal with. I know some people have had problems with the "clamp snag system" or whatever, but it's been absolutely painless for me (so far). I love the shit outta this thing.
Dropped some Framed~Staple Aliens in it as soon as i got it, took em without any issues at all
Tossed a set of 10x.3mm//27g//40g Staggertons in it yesterday, been vaping fantastically.
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Dropped some Framed~Staple Aliens in it as soon as i got it, took em without any issues at all
Tossed a set of 10x.3mm//27g//40g Staggertons in it yesterday, been vaping fantastically.
Easily the best atomizer under $50 i've ever used.
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Dude I totally agree with you there, the Druga is pretty awesome. Building on it is a breeze and the airflow is perfect. I only wish the phillips head cutouts were deeper and angled down instead of flat and shallow. Ive been using the flat head that came in the coilmaster kitBeen sinkin' my teeth into the Augvape Druga. Been a few weeks now and i can't put this thing down. One of the easiest decks to deal with. I know some people have had problems with the "clamp snag system" or whatever, but it's been absolutely painless for me (so far). I love the shit outta this thing.
Dropped some Framed~Staple Aliens in it as soon as i got it, took em without any issues at all
Tossed a set of 10x.3mm//27g//40g Staggertons in it yesterday, been vaping fantastically.
Easily the best atomizer under $50 i've ever used.
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30g frames and 10ply, 28g frames and 12 ply or 26g frames and 16ply.
I'd just try it with a 1" decore and see what it does.
Polished the Reload RDA top cap and loaded it with a Single Hybrid, I also just got the Black Reload RTA in but when it came it had no air holes cut into it...like getting blem money or something (one of a kind find)....so its a permenant build deck and they are sending me the Gold version....so now Ill have extra parts and color options while having a deck to build on!!
So Here's the Reload RDA V1.2:
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Dual Wire all 316 SS- wrapped 32awg around 24awg then twisted 2 of them together, amazing flavor, by far my favorite coils so far! 3.5 mm 6 wraps at 0.23ohms
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@whiteowl84 good god 0.3mm ribbon is a PITA to stack managed to do it finally and frame it but what a mission that was! Took me ages ..Much prefer 0.4 lol any tips mate?
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Holy crap managed to do it ok on that 0.4 with 28g decore .it's not an enigma as I can't interlock yet and it's not stiched either lol
But still for a first time out trying this double hump alien thing well pleased
I'm scared to wrap it
But still for a first time out trying this double hump alien thing well pleased
I'm scared to wrap it
Why is it not an Enigma? Looks great to me.
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Here it is my first go at the double hump something or other
Had to make just a single coil with the 0.4 otherwise would have come out too low ohm
2x26KA1 frames
12x0.4 KA1
wrap 36g NI80 (decore on 28g),
inlay 28g KA1
6 wrap ...3mm...Ohms 0.14
Had to make just a single coil with the 0.4 otherwise would have come out too low ohm
2x26KA1 frames
12x0.4 KA1
wrap 36g NI80 (decore on 28g),
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6 wrap ...3mm...Ohms 0.14
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Thanks for the help whiteowl couldn't have knocked these out without input matey
Good god these things chuck some clouds lmao more than the beast tank and it's on a single coil hahaha
Good god these things chuck some clouds lmao more than the beast tank and it's on a single coil hahaha
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Np
BTW this is what I mean when I say you should use the same frame and decore size:
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Np
BTW this is what I mean when I say you should use the same frame and decore size:
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Yeah noted thanks mate got the 0.3 prepped properly so will have a go on that at some point
You don't need to use 0.3 unless you just want to.
Personally I think 28g works better with 0.4mm and 30g or 29g for 0.3mm.
I've actually had a SSFC fail using 0.3 and 28g because the frames were just tall enough to let the ribbon flip over. I doubt that'll happen to you because your stack is pretty wide.
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Personally I think 28g works better with 0.4mm and 30g or 29g for 0.3mm.
I've actually had a SSFC fail using 0.3 and 28g because the frames were just tall enough to let the ribbon flip over. I doubt that'll happen to you because your stack is pretty wide.
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Yeah got 14 of the little 0.3 buggers stacked was such a pain!
Came out really nice IMO, next time just mke a large ID 4 wrap so it looks closer together and itll make as much heat since less ir can travel round it....it will wick efficiently and look cleaner overall.Here it is my first go at the double hump something or other
Had to make just a single coil with the 0.4 otherwise would have come out too low ohm
2x26KA1 frames
12x0.4 KA1
wrap 36g NI80 (decore on 28g),
inlay 28g KA1
6 wrap ...3mm...Ohms 0.14
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Shit unless I had a triple parallel I would feel 100% safe! I'm more than happy with the G2 lolThat's why builders use mechs.
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Damn man I hear ya! You're progressing fast bro! It kills me too cause I'm binge watching Daredevil (longtime fan) on Netflix and you're the bad guyHere it is my first go at the double hump something or other
Had to make just a single coil with the 0.4 otherwise would have come out too low ohm
2x26KA1 frames
12x0.4 KA1
wrap 36g NI80 (decore on 28g),
inlay 28g KA1
6 wrap ...3mm...Ohms 0.14
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Thanks Raymo
means a lot and thanks for sharing your build ages ago lol ...do you know I got the damn 4mm bit out as was gonna use it ...then I was like that's outrageous so went with the 3mmGonna try this again on the 0.3mm stack this time with 38g I'll use 4mm on that
Just looked back @SignMan my first ever build was on 26th Jan 2017 (this was my first ever build)
Hey folks I follow this thread regularly just admiring the coils and the art and time they take. Out of curiosity though, which ones out of the fancy coils Vape the absolute best?
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Aliens vape awesome.
But fused claptons vape amazingly with much less effort. Much easier to make. A great place to start.
Ok guys so I tried a staggered fused Clapton today. Used the button technique to stagger 36g nichrome around 30g kanthal. I cut that up into 5 pieces, 4 of equal length and 1 half an inch longer. I put the long piece in the middle and the other 4 on the sides. I laid it flat on the table and hot glued each end. I wrapped the long piece sticking out around my swivel and put the other end in the chuck. Then I started fusing with more 36g and it went to hell. I had to pinch it back flat with pliers and use a paper clip the whole way down. My cores kept trying to bunch up and my wraps wouldn't stay consistent. Is there a better way to hold the cores flat and parallel. And how do I keep the wraps consistent. I always seem to have this trouble with staggered coils. Any input would be appreciated as I am about ready to give up on staggering anything.
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My first attempt at framed stapled aliens. 8 ply .4 kanthal ribbon, 26g ni80 frames, 36g ss alien. 6 wraps around a 3mm bit came out to .12 Ω which is a little lower than I wanted. The issue I ran into with this one was I understretched my decore by too much and couldn't get in a groove. I kinda like the spacing though and wish I had tried to get it more even, but there wasnt supposed to be space to begin with lol
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From the ones I've made the coil I literally posted a few above double hump Alien with the inlay is the most insane I've ever used kicks out more cloud than the beast tank and its only a single coil lol it's actually a little overwhelming for me but it's super smooth thick vape ....couldn't use this one as an adv
For the effort though framed staple coils have been my favourite everything after that provides diminished returns for me they just happen to look awesome ... although a fused clapton for flavour in the hadaly I'm running is also really nice but there is a noticeable jump up between a fused clapton and a framed staple to me
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Ok guys so I tried a staggered fused Clapton today. Used the button technique to stagger 36g nichrome around 30g kanthal. I cut that up into 5 pieces, 4 of equal length and 1 half an inch longer. I put the long piece in the middle and the other 4 on the sides. I laid it flat on the table and hot glued each end. I wrapped the long piece sticking out around my swivel and put the other end in the chuck. Then I started fusing with more 36g and it went to hell. I had to pinch it back flat with pliers and use a paper clip the whole way down. My cores kept trying to bunch up and my wraps wouldn't stay consistent. Is there a better way to hold the cores flat and parallel. And how do I keep the wraps consistent. I always seem to have this trouble with staggered coils. Any input would be appreciated as I am about ready to give up on staggering anything.
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Before you started were the 5 lengths equal tension? Looks to me like that could have been the problem?
also whenever I've done a staggered fuse build I try to make sure the staggers are lose by reversing the drill when I've finished the spacing (after snipping away the wrap) allows them to move when fusing them so the final wrap can settle into them easier
Having said that I've not yet tried a 5core staggered yet so not sure if process needs to be a little different
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I actually quite like the space mate I reckon it wicks better that way as more juice is running down the ribbon at least that's what I've found when vaping
looks great lovely colours
nice work @f4milytime , @SignMan , @KingPin! @Jdestroyed @raymo2u @scarecrowjenkins @Clee2010 nothing nicer than coming home from an eleven hour shift of back breaking work to see all the glorious success. i love you guys 
@KingPin! i remember seeing your first build in another thread and getting the feeling i should escort you personally into this thread. glad you came out dude its great to see your progress.
@lcgixxer87 i prefer staple varieties (naked, plain, alien, framed, staggs, alien framed etc) for the most part. i find that plain alien wraps vape better than mohawks/stitched/interlock etc, despite the former looking so beautiful (this is the diminishing returns area imo). if youre not up to aliens or staples, like @BKTOAD said, fused claptons are almost in the ballpark, and much easier to make (though, if you can stack some ribbon wire, plain staples are only a little harder to deal with...and clear improvement in vape)...stick around, we need all the minds we can get in here sharing tips and glorious coil porn
nothing nicer than coming home from an eleven hour shift of back breaking work to see all the glorious success. i love you guys @KingPin! i remember seeing your first build in another thread and getting the feeling i should escort you personally into this thread. glad you came out dude its great to see your progress.
@lcgixxer87 i prefer staple varieties (naked, plain, alien, framed, staggs, alien framed etc) for the most part. i find that plain alien wraps vape better than mohawks/stitched/interlock etc, despite the former looking so beautiful (this is the diminishing returns area imo). if youre not up to aliens or staples, like @BKTOAD said, fused claptons are almost in the ballpark, and much easier to make (though, if you can stack some ribbon wire, plain staples are only a little harder to deal with...and clear improvement in vape)...stick around, we need all the minds we can get in here sharing tips and glorious coil porn
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Thanks @mach1ne appreciate the guide over here matey it's been so useful my favourite thread on this whole forum amazing how quickly it comes together I remember back in Jan watching the vids and seeing posts in here thinking these guys are epic id love to knock coils out like that ... Christ I even remember saying I'd like to knock out an alien that will be it for me that was my end goal ...I was almost ashamed to post any of my feable attempts in here in the early days but glad I did everyone is so helpful it gave me the confidence to try the next stage each time .....by far the biggest obstacle to overcome was the alien for me getting used to how to do that was the single most important technique I've had to learn for everything else
appreciate the guide over here matey it's been so useful my favourite thread on this whole forum amazing how quickly it comes together I remember back in Jan watching the vids and seeing posts in here thinking these guys are epic id love to knock coils out like that ... Christ I even remember saying I'd like to knock out an alien that will be it for me that was my end goal ...I was almost ashamed to post any of my feable attempts in here in the early days but glad I did everyone is so helpful it gave me the confidence to try the next stage each time .....by far the biggest obstacle to overcome was the alien for me getting used to how to do that was the single most important technique I've had to learn for everything elseok this is funny. i was going to post about how having our shitty old builds in here is a good thing, so we can look back and see our progress, have a larf or whatever. i had never done that yet, but i remember posting some shitty stuff in my early days and i suddenly wanted to go back and look. i found my first aliens, which i made exactly one year ago today, from decored geekvape premade clapton wire. happy anniversary aliens
Everything kingpin Said. Losening up the spaced clapton helps a ton. It just gives the wraps a little leewaay to move one way or the other as your wrapping. I hold the end of spaced slapton with nylon plyers and reverse drill for just a second or so.
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Ok thanks guys I'll try reversing the drill to loosen the spaced clapton when I get a chance to try again. As for keeping the same tension on all the cores, what are some good ways you have found. Is binding better than hot glue or is there an easier way. Also how much tension should I be applying to the cores when wrapping.
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Personally I would leave the end of the wire bare ...loop them round the swivel first and pinch the end down flat then bind them with some thing gauge wire or ribbon... so everything is laying flat ...take it off and apply some glue to hold bind in place up that end ...let it dry
Now up the other end I'd pull on all 5 and bind them, then flatten them, then glue them in place
Now you have something for the chuck to bite onto and a loop to hold it on the swivel with the clapton still able to move as you fuse them
others might have a better method but that's how I'd tackle 5